Senate GOP members letter to Iran.......

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,784
    callen said:

    No matter what the GOP party tries to do they allways come out looking like assholes what a bunch of incompetent dick heads everyone of'em ...

    Hey Jose,

    Hope all is well.

    Problem they are pandering to large segment of US population and unfortunately it works!
    Hey Bro yeah i hear you that in itself makes you scratch your head .....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    badbrains said:

    Logan Act for treason

    Logan Act
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/953
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,767
    Kat said:

    badbrains said:

    Logan Act for treason

    Logan Act
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/953
    possible but this was not in private. It was done on Senate letterhead.
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  • mickeyrat said:

    Kat said:

    badbrains said:

    Logan Act for treason

    Logan Act
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/953
    possible but this was not in private. It was done on Senate letterhead.
    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
    This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

    Where does it say it must be done in private? And Congress certainly didn't get authority...
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,767
    the title of the act?
    18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments
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  • mickeyrat
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    edited March 2015
    interesting to be sure, according to Corker as head of the foreign relations committee (who was trying to do this in a bipartisan open way WITHIN the Senate) believes this could have screwed his chance of legislation related to this.
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  • mickeyrat said:

    the title of the act?
    18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments

    Ok. But was it done to the knowledge of President Obama? Not likely. Was he involved in the letter? No. It's treason.

    This is an alarming thing, I'm pretty shocked more people aren't either reading it, or commenting. This really shows that partisan politics will break this country apart literally. But wait, we live in the greatest country in the world, nothing will tear us apart…
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,767
    make the case. "without authority of the united states." it all hinges on what this section means.imo.

    The Senate, given they can "advise and consent" to things such as these negotiations and whatever deal may be reached, seems to suggest they are within the senates rights within the constitution.

    Personallly I think this was foolhardy and irresponsible. Note the senior leadership signed off too, but not ALL GOP Senators did. 7 I think did not?
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  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited March 2015
    Authority of the United States is not part of an administration or part of Congress or a fraction of the leadership. Authority is all-encompassing, not just one portion. Sheesh.

    And yeah, imagine, that there are actually a few that didn't sign. Shocker. They'll be outcasts in no time.

    This is an act of pure desperation of a party that has sure seen better days. The hatred the GOP feels for Obama is bigger than the idea of Iran having nukes.
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  • Biden Rebukes Senate Republicans Over Letter to Iran

    WASHINGTON — The White House has berated Senate Republicans for writing to Iran’s leaders warning them against a nuclear agreement with President Obama, saying their letter skirts the Constitution and sends a dangerous and conflicting message.

    In a lengthy and harshly worded statement released late Monday, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., a Senate veteran of more than three decades and a former chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, said he could recall no other instance in which senators had written to the leaders of another country, “much less a foreign adversary,” to say the president had no authority to strike a deal with them.

    “This letter, in the guise of a constitutional lesson, ignores two centuries of precedent and threatens to undermine the ability of any future American president, whether Democrat or Republican, to negotiate with other nations on behalf of the United States,” Mr. Biden said. “Honorable people can disagree over policy. But this is no way to make America safer or stronger.”

    His statement was the strongest response yet from the White House to an open letter, signed by most Senate Republicans, that was addressed on Monday to “leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran.” The missive, a rare direct congressional intervention into diplomatic negotiations, declared that any agreement without legislative approval could be reversed by the next president “with the stroke of a pen.”

    The letter appeared aimed at unraveling a framework agreement even as American and international negotiators grew close to reaching one. Mr. Obama, working with leaders of five other world powers, argues that the pact would be the best way to keep Iran from obtaining a nuclear bomb.

    But critics from both parties say that such a deal would be a dangerous charade that would leave Iran with the opportunity to eventually build weapons that could be used against Israel or other adversaries. They also argue that such an agreement should have congressional approval.

    Mr. Biden said on Monday that the signers of the letter were working to thwart a diplomatic agreement that was the only viable means by which to restrain Tehran’s nuclear ambitions.

    “The decision to undercut our president and circumvent our constitutional system offends me as a matter of principle,” Mr. Biden said. “As a matter of policy, the letter and its authors have also offered no viable alternative to the diplomatic resolution with Iran that their letter seeks to undermine.”

    “It would be a dangerous mistake to scuttle a peaceful resolution, especially while diplomacy is still underway,” Mr. Biden said.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,767
    For whatever good it will do I have written my GOP Senator expressing my thoughts on his signature on this. Dude has lost the chance for my vote coming 2016. This among other usual party line lock step bullshit.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    I'm not sure Netanyahu's visit to the States was entirely meaningless after all. It seems Congress understood his secondary message: it's okay to undermine your most significant alliances to further your own agenda.
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  • benjs said:

    I'm not sure Netanyahu's visit to the States was entirely meaningless after all. It seems Congress understood his secondary message: it's okay to undermine your most significant alliances to further your own agenda.

    Yeah. But what does this do to the US? Where does it all bring this country and what can we expect of the future? Is this the beginning of One World Order?
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,767
    dont multinational corporations already have that?
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  • We're talking governments here.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,767
    my question stands...
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  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited March 2015
    What does that have to do with the topic at hand? Don't get off topic. If you are just dying to get your question answered, I am not so sure. But very possible.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,767
    edited March 2015
    I view this as more a stunt to get homeboys name out there. Fucking dumbass , but what are you gonna do? Move to Arkansas and vote his ass out in 5 years?
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661

    mickeyrat said:

    the title of the act?
    18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments

    Ok. But was it done to the knowledge of President Obama? Not likely. Was he involved in the letter? No. It's treason.

    This is an alarming thing, I'm pretty shocked more people aren't either reading it, or commenting. This really shows that partisan politics will break this country apart literally. But wait, we live in the greatest country in the world, nothing will tear us apart…
    Do you know what treason means? This letter is not treason.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576

    mickeyrat said:

    the title of the act?
    18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments

    Ok. But was it done to the knowledge of President Obama? Not likely. Was he involved in the letter? No. It's treason.

    This is an alarming thing, I'm pretty shocked more people aren't either reading it, or commenting. This really shows that partisan politics will break this country apart literally. But wait, we live in the greatest country in the world, nothing will tear us apart…
    Do you know what treason means? This letter is not treason.
    No, it is not specifically treason, but it is seditious!
    It is also factually innacurate, foolish, and damaging to every aspect of our foreign relations.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?