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JoostoneJoostone Posts: 230
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Ever since the vinyl renaissance accured it seems that everyone jumps the bandwagon.
But the labels have difficulties to answer the high demand for vinyl, that's because they are only a few good pressing plants left in the world. I happen to live very close to the one who is doing the pressing for Sony, their label is called 'Music On Vinyl' and in the last couple of years they have re-released 'Vs', 'Vitalogy', 'Into the Wild', 'Mother Love Bone', 'Temple of the Dog' and 'Mad Season', and Im sure more will follow. Every PJ record was released on vinyl at the time of release, but some are out pf print nowadays. Out of print at this moment are: 'No Code', 'Yield','LO2L', 'Binaural', 'Riot Act'. 'Lost Dogs' and 'S/T'.

Re-released and thus still available are: Ten (deluxe/boxset), Vs, Vitalogy (also in boxsets). And still in print are: 'Live on 10 Legs', 'Backspacer', and 'Lightning Bolt'.

The reason why this thread should serve as a warning is because the market is really being flooded with bootleg releases. Apparently there are some pressing plants in Italy or Czech republic who are 'releasing' No Code, Yield, Binaural & Avocado. All on coloured 'audiophile' vinyl. People, do not buy this crap. Sure, it looks nice (although some of the artwork is pixelated) but it's just CD master pressed to vinyl. Or do you really think that these illegal pressing plants have acces to the Sony/Pearl Jam vault for a proper vinyl master? No. They just copy your regular CD to vinyl. Far from audiophile quality, you're better of with your CD. And there are also some live shows available that PJ never released. That kinda makes it a double bootleg and you really don't want those :).

Stuff like:
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Buy them if you will, but understand that they are bootlegs. And that there are many downloads in flac available that are in superior quality, just ask around ;).

Pearl Jam should rerelease their backcatalogue on vinyl soon to beat the bootleggers once again ;)

http://www.discogs.com/artist/175395-Pearl-Jam
Is a good source to check info on your version.
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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209
    Good Discussion Here:
    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/242134/bootleg-studio-vinyl/p1
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    DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,412
    Not defending the bootleggers, but even the official presses have the same mastering job as the cd's.
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    Horse2345Horse2345 Posts: 3,231
    DewieCox wrote: »
    Not defending the bootleggers, but even the official presses have the same mastering job as the cd's.

    Yea, i have both og s/t and a bootleg and they sound pretty close.

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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209
    DewieCox wrote: »
    Not defending the bootleggers, but even the official presses have the same mastering job as the cd's.
    Sad but True
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    RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,148
    I buy the live stuff because I love spinning vinyl. Do I care if it is bootleg? Nope! When I was a teenager I bought all the bootleg PJ cd's too... Oh well!
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,151
    There's always the other option. Not that I think bootlegger's would put in the effort but you can clone records. If bootlegger's were being clever they could buy a legitimate vinyl (which would costs hundreds) and clone it. They easily make their money back. Cloning isn't as good as official mastering, but if the original vinyl is in mint condition it can be pretty good.

    I already have originals so I wouldn't buy the bootlegs but you wouldn't believe how many times I've been tempted to buy a bootleg of Aenima (tool). The original is worth a mint (just like PJ vinyl).

    I'm not entirely against bootlegging. I'm more interesting in the non-official release boots like live shows etc... Something interesting to add to the collection.

    I think most people know about the bootleg coloured vinyls by now. Everyone knows the originals are black vinyl and hard to find. Anyone who's a decent record collector, walks into a record, see's a rare vinyl, google's it to see if it's a fake :)
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    JoostoneJoostone Posts: 230
    Buying bootlegs is not a problem. But atleast you have to be aware of what you are buying. If its for fun or curiosity that it's fine. But don't think you're buying a quality product, that just not true.

    And yes Its kinda sad that the official S/T is not masterd for vinyl...viva la vinyl?? Yeah right PJ ;)
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    Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 6,771
    I've oft wondered why the bootleggers insist on colored vinyl. I mean, if you're gonna bootleg American money, why would you put Clinton on a three-dollar bill? Just because you can?

    There's also the issue of where the money goes, once spent on a bootleg vinyl...some of the recipients aren't exactly the most legit or trustworthy.

    I'm sure the band knows of these bootleggers, the same way they knew of the tape/CD trading back in the 90s. Come on guys, either use your lawyers to shut these clowns down or just re-release the originals for $30.
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    RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,148
    Still creaming my panties for a no code box set
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    ldent42ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    Lost In Ohio wrote: »
    I've oft wondered why the bootleggers insist on colored vinyl. I mean, if you're gonna bootleg American money, why would you put Clinton on a three-dollar bill? Just because you can?

    I would.
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    whofeelslikeadrankwhofeelslikeadrank Posts: 2,702
    ldent42 wrote: »
    Lost In Ohio wrote: »
    I've oft wondered why the bootleggers insist on colored vinyl. I mean, if you're gonna bootleg American money, why would you put Clinton on a three-dollar bill? Just because you can?

    I would.

    would what?
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    ldent42ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    Put Clinton's face on a $3 bill. Just cuz I could.
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    Of The AggieOf The Aggie The ATX Posts: 1,493
    Lost In Ohio wrote: »
    I've oft wondered why the bootleggers insist on colored vinyl. I mean, if you're gonna bootleg American money, why would you put Clinton on a three-dollar bill? Just because you can?

    There's also the issue of where the money goes, once spent on a bootleg vinyl...some of the recipients aren't exactly the most legit or trustworthy.

    I'm sure the band knows of these bootleggers, the same way they knew of the tape/CD trading back in the 90s. Come on guys, either use your lawyers to shut these clowns down or just re-release the originals for $30.

    Colored vinyl sells. Period. Just look at the people who fell all over themselves to buy yet another copy of Ten just because it was on coke-bottle-colored vinyl.
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    tominzingatominzinga Posts: 113
    99 percent of vinyl is digital compressed from a CD or another digital source before getting laid onto vinyl. Sucks but its true. OP cool post about the warning but honestly its basically the same thing, but id have to agree for audiophiles these are not quality vinyl by any standard
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    JoostoneJoostone Posts: 230
    tominzinga wrote: »
    99 percent of vinyl is digital compressed from a CD or another digital source before getting laid onto vinyl. Sucks but its true. OP cool post about the warning but honestly its basically the same thing, but id have to agree for audiophiles these are not quality vinyl by any standard

    Unfortunately that's true. But it's probably compressed from a higher resolution digital file, higher than 44k CD standard. With these bootlegs you'll literally get a CD pressed to vinyl.
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    ali_burgeali_burge Posts: 31
    Also Sony don't own MOV - they just license to them (hence why you see UMG catalogue on there)
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    JT_JamFanJT_JamFan Posts: 170
    Of The Aggie wrote: »
    Lost In Ohio wrote: »
    I've oft wondered why the bootleggers insist on colored vinyl. I mean, if you're gonna bootleg American money, why would you put Clinton on a three-dollar bill? .

    Colored vinyl sells. Period. Just look at the people who fell all over themselves to buy yet another copy of Ten just because it was on coke-bottle-colored vinyl.

    I recently had a conversation with a local record store owner that buys from several European distributors. He said the colored vinyl is a thin layer of protection in some countries there, Something about a copyright loophole that says if it is a different color than the original then they cant be prosecuted. Either way, I am tempted by the Binaural, but i am holding out hope for a No Code and Yield boxset this summer.
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    deadendpdeadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    JT_JamFan wrote: »
    Of The Aggie wrote: »
    Lost In Ohio wrote: »
    I've oft wondered why the bootleggers insist on colored vinyl. I mean, if you're gonna bootleg American money, why would you put Clinton on a three-dollar bill? .

    Colored vinyl sells. Period. Just look at the people who fell all over themselves to buy yet another copy of Ten just because it was on coke-bottle-colored vinyl.

    I recently had a conversation with a local record store owner that buys from several European distributors. He said the colored vinyl is a thin layer of protection in some countries there, Something about a copyright loophole that says if it is a different color than the original then they cant be prosecuted. Either way, I am tempted by the Binaural, but i am holding out hope for a No Code and Yield boxset this summer.
    That is an interesting thing to know. Huh. :insert shrugging shoulders guy because the emoji are down again:
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