Living in the Bubble
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I don't hold much hope for humanity. It just doesn't seem like we have the collective will to solve our problems.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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I don't hold much hope for humanity. It just doesn't seem like we have the collective will to solve our problems.
You probably know my mantra by now but once again: "Hope is not the conviction that things will turn out well. Hope is the conviction to do what makes sense no matter how things turn out."
-Vaclav Havel
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I hear ya. If you can feel good about how you live that's great. If you can be an example to others, even better!Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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Not just trash from food, but trash AS food as well. On the large scale, I look at buffets at restaurants and on cruise ships, the spreads on the sets of films and TV, the food lost/thrown out on cooking shows...it's ridiculous. And that's just off the top of my head.
And then on the small scale - hell, I have to look at myself first, where I'll buy some food or produce and don't eat it all in time before it spoils. Or the company I work for, they order in a nice lunch for the office each month. There are always leftovers, and while those are descended upon by our employees (I've never been quick enough to get some, and actually would feel uncomfortable doing so), I've fantasized about fixing up a huge plate and giving it to one of the several hungry homeless folks who hang out near our business.
Yes, this is exactly what I mean when I say there is enough food to feed the world.
As far as everyone being able to drive and live the way we do in the US then I don't see that happening. Just look at China to see how horribly wrong it goes trying to live on the scale we do in the US!
Unfortunately, I don't see the West making any changes until it is forced.Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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My opinion is nearly the same as Brian's so it is somewhat of a waste of time.
I will answer your question, but after that , if you don't actually engage the topic and the points made you are a simply being a troll and I will discontinue feeding you.
Duh.
We don't have all the answers and numbers to give you the exact answer you are seeking, but you are being foolish in requiring one.
So out of your entire rant all I truly read is a condescending tone towards the reader. I guess before I proceed with any banter may I ask you how old do you think the Earth is?
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PJfan, I've found you to be a pretty decent (and yes, albeit sarcastic) person, but I'm not sure where this friction comes from? Brian is one of the least combative and most candid people I've come to know here. Will say the same for gambo as well.0
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I just finished reading "The zeitgeist movement defined". The book off essays explaining the movement and its tenets says, for one; that this should be a world of abundance. The reason we (north) Americans live in this bubble is purely because of the capitalist market system that systemically needs scarcity to create the illusion of a needed monetary system. We do live in a bubble, and its going to go pop, soon. Capitalism is no longer needed, it is destroying the world. saddly, I believe our dance with devil is too far gone to be stopped. However, lets just hope all hell doesn't break out when the oceans rise and other climate calamities wreak havoc and destruction on the earth. I believe that one day, the world will seek a new approach to life. One based on nature's laws and not the laws of politicians and believers of the "invisible man". If it happens in my lifetime, I will gladly help others understand that the Z movement is the way to go. This should be a world of abundance for all, capitalism will not accomplish this at all.
Here is a link to the book
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/uploads/upload/file/15/TZM_Guide_Essays_1-13.pdf
In joyous part.Post edited by TalonTedd onI remember when, yeah. I swore I knew everything, oh yeah.0 -
PJfan, I've found you to be a pretty decent (and yes, albeit sarcastic) person, but I'm not sure where this friction comes from? Brian is one of the least combative and most candid people I've come to know here. Will say the same for gambo as well.
I don't have friction with Brian. He has responded to my pointed questions.
The only responses from rgams to myself have all been encapsulated with insults - right from the very first one.
Albeit, being sarcastic is a fairly big part of who I am I don't resort to condescension whenever I speak.
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Guilty? Hmmm
So we (in US) drive vehicles that have traditionally been less fuel efficient to our European brothers and sisters. Some could say we are wasteful. Big engines, big dimensions. So observe European expats that do tour here, many get the big SUV, big sports sedans. So think any human in our environment would act same. So guilty, no, realize I have it made, but know any human in my position would maximize environment.
So in a Bubble? Maybe, to an extent, as I haven't had to endure as many humans have. But I know what I have and know how it feels to be hungry and cold.
Others here that have never experience other cultures, poverty, pain. Maybe, maybe not. Humans understand strife, it's very primal, just may not want to dwell. Why read story of starving people being slaughtered ? Not uplifting or really interesting. So CNN stays away, not enough clicks.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
Approximately 4.5 billion years.
I found your repetition of the same question when given legitimate answers to be a perfect representation of condescension. You came off, to me, like a teacher trying to make an example of a student by repeating the same question over and over waiting for the answer you deem appropriate, rather than addressing the answers given and your issues with them.
Which you finally did, when he put his previous responses together into one post.
I don't hold grudges, I just call it like I see it, and I am glad you are engaging the topic now.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
When I first glanced at the title of this thread I kinda chuckled.Mrs RR calls our town a bubble.Im sorry if it's not as deep in thought or broad in terms of world view or population density that others have mentioned,so I will tell ya what I think of when I hear bubble.
My wife references "living in a bubble" when describing how we live here in Jupiter.Within a small radius of my home we have our business,gym,beach,shopping,where our kids went to school when they were living at home,Gourmet markets,Many waterfront eateries,Parks and medical/vet hospitals ,Etc.If a dome were to be dropped over our town(like the show) we could be pretty much self suffient with the exception of heavy agriculture.Our bubble is an upscale,affluent predominantly Caucasian beachside hamlet with so many golf courses and country clubs and celebrities and sports stars it would blow your mind for a town of 60k.People who live in our bubble sometimes act as if they are separated from the majority of the population.We bitch(me included) if we have to drive 8 miles to the next city over Palm Beach Gardens, to go to the mall or other restaurants/bars in our areas main nightlife area.People talk of some of the cities and towns close by that are more crime riddled and racially more diverse as if they were continents away even though they are in our county.
It hits you in the face sometimes.I ran out for pizza tonight,and as I'm heading back to my car I took a moment to absorb what Was in front of me.A line of cars that looked like a luxury dealership.3 Benz,2 Caddy,3 BMW,1 Toyota,1 Range Rover,Denali,Porsche and 2audis,that was just the row I was walking toward.The whole lot,hundreds of cars were basically the same makes.
Is this reality or is my neighbors(and am I) living in a fabricated environment? Will our children be victims of these materialistic surroundings?Will the lack of diversity they see in private school or the 90%nwhite 3k public school have an adverse effect when they integrate in the world outside the bubble?Or will having a life that was comfortable teach them to give more if they have more?
I'm a hypocrite to some degree.I live here.I park in the same lot.I sent my kids to those schools.I can only hope that keeping it real within our family and raising my kids right will allow them to grow as wonderful human beings and not myopically thinking reality is what happens here at home.
Would you all consider this living in a bubble?
Note.Our public schools do bus in a number of kids from minority areas.I have always thought this was a by product of wanting to field championship football teams.Not diversity And as we have 4state Championships in the last 6 years between 2 schools.i may be correct.Post edited by rr165892 on0 -
Population isn't the problem. The uneven distribution of wealth is the problem. You could cut the world's population by 4 billion people, and there would still be uneven distribution of wealth. We need to get rid of greed and the craving for power for everyone to love inside the bubble together. So it's never going to happen.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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Population isn't the problem. The uneven distribution of wealth is the problem. You could cut the world's population by 4 billion people, and there would still be uneven distribution of wealth. We need to get rid of greed and the craving for power for everyone to love inside the bubble together. So it's never going to happen.
Until some things change in big and major ways, you're probably right PJ_Soul. But things will change, they just have to. That's what we don't want to think about because that bursts our bubble, spoils the party, takes the comfort away. I hate saying that. Who wants to spoil a good party?
I don't want to get too much into futurizing- there's already a plethora of utopian/dystopian stories out there (though I have to admit, George R. Stewart's Earth Abides sure works for me)- but things will change and the human population very likely will diminish greatly anyway.
So with all that it mind, does it not make sense to work on a plan? There are some good starts to that going on:
New tribalism seems like a good start. Daniel Quinn's Ishmael helped get that going.
The New Urbanism movement has huge potential (see http://www.newurbanism.org/ )
Richard Heinberg and the Post Carbon Institute are looking forward in brilliant ways. (See http://www.postcarbon.org/ )
I'm sure these are just the tip of the iceberg. We're living on the edge of something big. It may be a rough ride down but short of total annihilation, there are many excellent possible outcomes. It's a fantastic time in history to be alive.
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