Living in the Bubble
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In another thread, The Waiting Trophy Man and Callen recently mentioned how we live in a bubble. We've probably all heard that before. That got me to thinking about how I feel about that. Should we feel guilty, lucky, ashamed, proud, sad, happy or just figure it is what it is? A lot of times the term seems to often be used in such a way as to suggest that we should feel lucky, maybe even guilty. I think, yeah lucky, for sure. But I've also often thought, why can't everyone live in the "bubble"? You might ask, "How?" I would say, "Easy. Limit human population and use resources sustainably." I don't mean to over-simplify the idea but, why not? Doesn't that just make sense?
Go ahead- hit me with your best shot. I know I'm an idealist. Why not? Fuck it.
Go ahead- hit me with your best shot. I know I'm an idealist. Why not? Fuck it.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"
-Roberto Benigni
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"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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It's interesting how - to me - the concept of bubble can so differ when preceded by "a" vs. "the".
The former, I see as self-imposed...like people yapping on their phone, driving like an idiot, unaware of others around them. General I-me-mine-ness.
The latter is perhaps due to happenstance, circumstance...and (lack of) responsibility and forethought as well.
One thing I don't feel, though - well, two things actually - are shame or guilt.0 -
Interesting topic, B...and I should've asked - what do you think "the bubble" actually is?0
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I dont live in a bubble.0
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Last-12-Exit wrote: »I dont live in a bubble.
I could be wrong...... but I doubt brian means this literally.
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Dammit, I just posted a Seinfeld reference on another thread, so I'll refrain from doing so here as well
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We all living in a bubble..but the bubbles are different for each one of us..mine bubble is not the same with yours or an African child..anyway, i feel curiosity about that..Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..0 -
Brian, I may be wrong but I think what you are getting at is that limiting human population growth doesn't necessarily need to involve externally imposed controls, and I'd agree with that. From what I've read and seen, it seems to me that women all over the world, whether in Burundi or Cambodia or Nepal or wherever else, want their children to be strong, healthy, well nourished and to live to adulthood. Few actually want to spend their entire adult lives either pregnant or breastfeeding, or both, and yet many end up in that situation. There may be some reasons unique to a certain country but generally they boil down to lack of education for women (and men, too), lack of access to contraception, high infant and child mortality which leads to fear that if you have a small number of children you may end up with none, and religious edicts (and I can hardly believe I'm bringing religion into yet another thread on AMT, but there you are...). When given basic health education, access to caregivers such as trained midwives, and to contraception, and when provided some control over the situation many women choose to limit their families. Of course, that's only a tiny piece of this puzzle. I like this topic; will post more later when my thoughts are in order.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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I was responding your "Limit human population" statement. That is very vague to say the most.
Limit human population to what Brian? Could you elaborate on what you think your bubble is?
The way I read your post is that you want earth humans to all live together using resources sustainably but with population control. Please elaborate on that comment.0 -
Does it require a thesis? Seems pretty self-explanatory to me.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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Whoa, so many questions! (Been away for a bit here- I took a detour into researching some records- there's an all day project for ya!)
Hedo: One thing I don't feel, though - well, two things actually - are shame or guilt.
Nor I and I don't see a need to.
what do you think "the bubble" actually is?
Just the term that gets tossed out now and then that basically refers to our relatively (to extremely) easy life in a first-world country.
Dignin: No, not a literal bubble. Remember "Boy in a Bubble"? No, not a John Travolta thread. :-)
Hedo: Yes, the Seinfeld "bubble" Haha!
oftenreading:
Brian, I may be wrong but I think what you are getting at is that limiting human population growth doesn't necessarily need to involve externally imposed controls, and I'd agree with that.
Absolutely! No, I am not in favor of "control" as a solution. Education first, voluntarily doing what makes sense to follow.
bsL12:
"bubble mention" here:
http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/241969/where-s-the-global-outcry-for-victims-of-boko-haram-attacks#latest (Trophy man's post at top of page 2, Callen's further down).
PJFan:
Limit human population to what Brian? Could you elaborate on what you think your bubble is?
The way I read your post is that you want earth humans to all live together using resources sustainably but with population control. Please elaborate on that comment.
I wish I could remember where I read and what the number was of what sounded like a good approximation of a sustainable human population. Something significantly lower than it is now, obviously. I'll try to find that. Again, I'm definitely not into population "control".
What makes sense to me is the idea that if we really wanted to and tried to, we could gradually, humanly and voluntarily lower our numbers and learn to live within the bounds of what the earth can supply sustainably. To do this we need the right kind of leadership and we need to rid ourselves of the tendency toward self-destruction. When we hear or read something about the "doomsday clock" or "the end is near" we tend to think, "yep, ah huh." Seems to me it would make more sense to start thinking in terms of solutions rather than laying down in front of failure."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
...all of that being tied, of course, to the idea that everyone could eventually live in "the bubble"- that is, in a good place, having what we need to meet our needs, living well enough."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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More bubble mention on same subject, different thread, different people. Funny how that happens.
http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/241938/the-slaughter-of-2-000-by-boko-haram-the-same-day-as-the-attack-on-charlie-hebdo#latest0 -
More bubble mention on same subject, different thread, different people. Funny how that happens.
http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/241938/the-slaughter-of-2-000-by-boko-haram-the-same-day-as-the-attack-on-charlie-hebdo#latest
Nice work, Detective Dignin! :-D
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No, I am not in favor of "control" as a solution. Education first, voluntarily doing what makes sense to follow.
This sounds like what the pope was recently trying to say.
Brian, could you please state what education people need to have before voluntarily doing what makes sense.
Cryptic statements are very hard questions.0 -
PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »No, I am not in favor of "control" as a solution. Education first, voluntarily doing what makes sense to follow.
This sounds like what the pope was recently trying to say.
Brian, could you please state what education people need to have before voluntarily doing what makes sense.
Cryptic statements are very hard questions.
I would say start with some basics of conservation biology and ecology (not the fad, the science) and the study of biological communities. If we saw ourselves within the context of these basic principles of the natural world, we would let out a collective "Holy shit!" and begin aligning ourselves with the marvelous balances that sustain us rather than work against them to our own demise. If we did that, our numbers would very likely begin to subside through our gained understanding of the world in which we live.
(Sorry to sound so freakin' pedantic. Just trying to paint an accurate picture.)
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »No, I am not in favor of "control" as a solution. Education first, voluntarily doing what makes sense to follow.
This sounds like what the pope was recently trying to say.
Brian, could you please state what education people need to have before voluntarily doing what makes sense.
Cryptic statements are very hard questions.
I would say start with some basics of conservation biology and ecology (not the fad, the science) and the study of biological communities. If we saw ourselves within the context of these basic principles of the natural world, we would let out a collective "Holy shit!" and begin aligning ourselves with the marvelous balances that sustain us rather than work against them to our own demise. If we did that, our numbers would very likely begin to subside through our gained understanding of the world in which we live.
(Sorry to sound so freakin' pedantic. Just trying to paint an accurate picture.)
That's great Brian but
can you please state what you in your own opinion you mean about limiting human population.0
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