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As long as we classify belief systems, the radical terrorism will win, instead of letting ourselves get more and more defied, why can't we learn from our different belief systems, and learn to listen to others?
I have no interest in listening to mythologies which cause people to believe it is OK to kill people because of cartoons they draw, or have clerics issuing fatwas on snowmen, or parents who think it is OK to disown children because they're gay, or people who can't eat meat and dairy on the same plates. You talk about belief systems, and the problem is, many of us aren't interested in suspending disbelief and looking for some mythological road to salvation. Belief systems are just that - one must believe in something they can never actually know. I'd rather be informed by reality, science, logic and reason as opposed to old books and fairy tales. When something isn't known, there's no reason to make up fantastic stories to fill in the blanks."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
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This sums up the situation perfectly!
And then throw into the mix the name calling and personal attacks found throughout this thread and we've got ourselves one fucking bloody hoedown. Ye haw!
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Atheism is as much a belief system as any other, you can not without doubt proof that God does not exicist... So it is a certain view on the world.... If you say atheists are smarter than people who belief in any God, you do classify you own belief system as better than others, so in my point of view the only thing that is different between you and these terrorists is the violence, yet. And even there you could have doubts... But in the way of thinking I see, someone who claims to know and understand an entire religion, by some extreme examples. which do NOT exemplary for the religion as a whole. These are similar examples as saying all atheists go to hell, or are witches who have to be slaughtered. The easy way to assume things without a real search if you assumptions are true, to check your facts who does belief in such a religion, is dangerous. It will divide us only more, instead of uniting us
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Atheism is as much a belief system as any other, you can not without doubt proof that God does not exicist... So it is a certain view on the world.... If you say atheists are smarter than people who belief in any God, you do classify you own belief system as better than others, so in my point of view the only thing that is different between you and these terrorists is the violence, yet. And even there you could have doubts... But in the way of thinking I see, someone who claims to know and understand an entire religion, by some extreme examples. which do NOT exemplary for the religion as a whole. These are similar examples as saying all atheists go to hell, or are witches who have to be slaughtered. The easy way to assume things without a real search if you assumptions are true, to check your facts who does belief in such a religion, is dangerous. It will divide us only more, instead of uniting us
atheism is not a belief system any more than non-communism is a political affiliation. I don't even call myself an atheist/agnostic anymore. Why identify with something you are NOT? they are a scientist, a naturalist, a humanist, etc.
proving something in the negative is backwards. that's not how it works. the onus to prove something is on those wishing to prove a positive result.
yes, while it is true that many people who do not believe in a supreme being have beliefs that they are more intelligent and/or stronger-willed than those who do believe, there are just as many theists who believe the opposite; they are more enlightened, they feel sorry for the non-believer, etc. that's not a trait of a belief system; that's a trait of an individual human.
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paulonious wrote: »Atheism is as much a belief system as any other, you can not without doubt proof that God does not exicist... So it is a certain view on the world.... If you say atheists are smarter than people who belief in any God, you do classify you own belief system as better than others, so in my point of view the only thing that is different between you and these terrorists is the violence, yet. And even there you could have doubts... But in the way of thinking I see, someone who claims to know and understand an entire religion, by some extreme examples. which do NOT exemplary for the religion as a whole. These are similar examples as saying all atheists go to hell, or are witches who have to be slaughtered. The easy way to assume things without a real search if you assumptions are true, to check your facts who does belief in such a religion, is dangerous. It will divide us only more, instead of uniting us
atheism is not a belief system any more than non-communism is a political affiliation. I don't even call myself an atheist/agnostic anymore. Why identify with something you are NOT? they are a scientist, a naturalist, a humanist, etc.
proving something in the negative is backwards. that's not how it works. the onus to prove something is on those wishing to prove a positive result.
yes, while it is true that many people who do not believe in a supreme being have beliefs that they are more intelligent and/or stronger-willed than those who do believe, there are just as many theists who believe the opposite; they are more enlightened, they feel sorry for the non-believer, etc. that's not a trait of a belief system; that's a trait of an individual human.
The whole point I'm trying to make, is that whatever you do or do not believe, it is always important to have an open mind and listen to an other point of view. You do not have to agree with that point of view, but if you stop listening and only judge the other point of view out of assumptions and prejudice, these kind of conflict only grow and the violence will increase. Look at how quickly we're at each others throats. It seems like when religion is involved, the only thing we can do at the moment, is fight. That does scare me.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee0 -
There's a better chance for the abominable snowman existing than there is of an omnipresent, almighty powerful God residing over our activities.
There's no proof of this... but there's no proof there's not either."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
paulonious wrote: »Atheism is as much a belief system as any other, you can not without doubt proof that God does not exicist... So it is a certain view on the world.... If you say atheists are smarter than people who belief in any God, you do classify you own belief system as better than others, so in my point of view the only thing that is different between you and these terrorists is the violence, yet. And even there you could have doubts... But in the way of thinking I see, someone who claims to know and understand an entire religion, by some extreme examples. which do NOT exemplary for the religion as a whole. These are similar examples as saying all atheists go to hell, or are witches who have to be slaughtered. The easy way to assume things without a real search if you assumptions are true, to check your facts who does belief in such a religion, is dangerous. It will divide us only more, instead of uniting us
atheism is not a belief system any more than non-communism is a political affiliation. I don't even call myself an atheist/agnostic anymore. Why identify with something you are NOT? they are a scientist, a naturalist, a humanist, etc.
proving something in the negative is backwards. that's not how it works. the onus to prove something is on those wishing to prove a positive result.
yes, while it is true that many people who do not believe in a supreme being have beliefs that they are more intelligent and/or stronger-willed than those who do believe, there are just as many theists who believe the opposite; they are more enlightened, they feel sorry for the non-believer, etc. that's not a trait of a belief system; that's a trait of an individual human.
The whole point I'm trying to make, is that whatever you do or do not believe, it is always important to have an open mind and listen to an other point of view. You do not have to agree with that point of view, but if you stop listening and only judge the other point of view out of assumptions and prejudice, these kind of conflict only grow and the violence will increase. Look at how quickly we're at each others throats. It seems like when religion is involved, the only thing we can do at the moment, is fight. That does scare me.
what I was responding to was that you said that atheism was a belief system. I disagree. and I didn't think we were at each other's throats. I thought we were just discussing our views on the subject.
but as far as the rest of your post:
I do have an open mind, but the thing is, I can't change what I believe to be true. I don't believe there is a god. and no one can prove it. for someone to tell me they can, is pure bullshit. and I also don't go around shoving it down people's throats that they are an idiot for believing in god. that would make me a hypocrite.
I have zero issue with people believing in god. My wife believes. her family are all devout catholics. I agreed for my daughters to be raised as such. if that's not open, I'm not sure what is.
I don't go knocking on doors telling people what they should believe in. Can you imagine the uproar if I went door to door giving out pamphlets about the big bang and the genius of Stephen Hawking and his theories on the origins of the universe?
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Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »There's a better chance for the abominable snowman existing than there is of an omnipresent, almighty powerful God residing over our activities.
There's no proof of this... but there's no proof there's not either.
again, proof of the negative is not required.
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paulonious wrote: »Atheism is as much a belief system as any other, you can not without doubt proof that God does not exicist... So it is a certain view on the world.... If you say atheists are smarter than people who belief in any God, you do classify you own belief system as better than others, so in my point of view the only thing that is different between you and these terrorists is the violence, yet. And even there you could have doubts... But in the way of thinking I see, someone who claims to know and understand an entire religion, by some extreme examples. which do NOT exemplary for the religion as a whole. These are similar examples as saying all atheists go to hell, or are witches who have to be slaughtered. The easy way to assume things without a real search if you assumptions are true, to check your facts who does belief in such a religion, is dangerous. It will divide us only more, instead of uniting us
atheism is not a belief system any more than non-communism is a political affiliation. I don't even call myself an atheist/agnostic anymore. Why identify with something you are NOT? they are a scientist, a naturalist, a humanist, etc.
proving something in the negative is backwards. that's not how it works. the onus to prove something is on those wishing to prove a positive result.
yes, while it is true that many people who do not believe in a supreme being have beliefs that they are more intelligent and/or stronger-willed than those who do believe, there are just as many theists who believe the opposite; they are more enlightened, they feel sorry for the non-believer, etc. that's not a trait of a belief system; that's a trait of an individual human.
It seems like when religion is involved, the only thing we can do at the moment, is fight. That does scare me.
Some of us are trying very hard to leave religion out of this and we are pulled into conflict. Our point is that all religion does is cause cautious contentions.0 -
Fuck,
There is no basis to believe in Jesus or Allah. Both the Koran and Bible are utter bullshit. This needs to be said over and over again. I realize I sound like a dick, so be it. CH did this as well and I applaud them saying what needs to be said. I don't feel there is a limit to free speech or ridicule. As stated earlier if you don't like it ignore it. Fuck being PC
I regard all believers the same and yes there is something believers need to feel fulfilled. I don't need this. Am I better? Not relevant.
The CH situation is just a prime example of how perverted humans get following a religion.
Are there non religious killing and if all religions where gone would there still be killings? Of course. Doesn't mean we continue in this nonsense.
THE BIBLE AND KORAN ARE UTTER BULLSHIT.
The BIBLE AND KORAN ARE UTTER BULLSHIT.
so its open season on those who cant defend themselves? Like the powerless? Because by and large that is who is harmed buy attitudes expressed above..
From my position in the cheap seats (agnostic) it isnt religion in and of itself thats is THE or A problem. Its the people in religion. For the athiests there is no getting around that. Humans are a scourge on the world. No matter what you choose to believe._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Fuck,
There is no basis to believe in Jesus or Allah. Both the Koran and Bible are utter bullshit. This needs to be said over and over again. I realize I sound like a dick, so be it. CH did this as well and I applaud them saying what needs to be said. I don't feel there is a limit to free speech or ridicule. As stated earlier if you don't like it ignore it. Fuck being PC
I regard all believers the same and yes there is something believers need to feel fulfilled. I don't need this. Am I better? Not relevant.
The CH situation is just a prime example of how perverted humans get following a religion.
Are there non religious killing and if all religions where gone would there still be killings? Of course. Doesn't mean we continue in this nonsense.
THE BIBLE AND KORAN ARE UTTER BULLSHIT.
The BIBLE AND KORAN ARE UTTER BULLSHIT.
so its open season on those who cant defend themselves? Like the powerless? Because by and large that is who is harmed buy attitudes expressed above..
From my position in the cheap seats (agnostic) it isnt religion in and of itself thats is THE or A problem. Its the people in religion. For the athiests there is no getting around that. Humans are a scourge on the world. No matter what you choose to believe.
exactly.
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paulonious wrote: »Fuck,
There is no basis to believe in Jesus or Allah. Both the Koran and Bible are utter bullshit. This needs to be said over and over again. I realize I sound like a dick, so be it. CH did this as well and I applaud them saying what needs to be said. I don't feel there is a limit to free speech or ridicule. As stated earlier if you don't like it ignore it. Fuck being PC
I regard all believers the same and yes there is something believers need to feel fulfilled. I don't need this. Am I better? Not relevant.
The CH situation is just a prime example of how perverted humans get following a religion.
Are there non religious killing and if all religions where gone would there still be killings? Of course. Doesn't mean we continue in this nonsense.
THE BIBLE AND KORAN ARE UTTER BULLSHIT.
The BIBLE AND KORAN ARE UTTER BULLSHIT.
so its open season on those who cant defend themselves? Like the powerless? Because by and large that is who is harmed buy attitudes expressed above..
From my position in the cheap seats (agnostic) it isnt religion in and of itself thats is THE or A problem. Its the people in religion. For the athiests there is no getting around that. Humans are a scourge on the world. No matter what you choose to believe.
exactly.
This guy can go fuck himself without a condom. http://experience.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/19/pope-birth-control-comments/22017365/0 -
Fuck,I think you totally missed Gambs point.He has always been straight up ,stand up and def non rascist.If anything a little to liberal.You got him pegged way off base if we are keeping things fair.Post edited by rr165892 on0
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Gambsy,way to work Dicksmith into a sentence.Post edited by rr165892 on0
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A man has got to believe in something
I believe I'll have another beer
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As I'm watching the stunning Erin Burnett this evening ,I am seeing a story of 100,000s Muslim protesters in Niger,Pakistan,Russia and Gaza and other locations protesting the CH.
Some are burning down Churches and Bibles,rioting and being anything but peaceful.I realize this is a small minority of those who want their voice heard,but it seems quite hypocritical to voice opinions on a injustice while committing injustices to others and their faith.What the fuck is wrong here?
This nonsense is not going to get better and I feel a greater divide is being created.Very sad.Post edited by rr165892 on0 -
Mob rules. Lets take that into consideration .doesnt make it right by any means. Just sayin._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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paulonious wrote: »Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »There's a better chance for the abominable snowman existing than there is of an omnipresent, almighty powerful God residing over our activities.
There's no proof of this... but there's no proof there's not either.
again, proof of the negative is not required.
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Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »paulonious wrote: »Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »There's a better chance for the abominable snowman existing than there is of an omnipresent, almighty powerful God residing over our activities.
There's no proof of this... but there's no proof there's not either.
again, proof of the negative is not required.
You know what I was getting at didn't you?
Apparently not.
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