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RR, I don't offend easy and you can't offend me cuz I do see u as a friend. Agree with a lot of what u wrote but I also will stand by my statement that the people are rising because they had ENOUGH. It was all fine and dandy when the Arab spring happened. But now that it's getting crazier and in parts of the western world, the masses who had NO PROB with the Arab rising are now having a huge prob with this new wave of violence. And you are correct, seems like it's gonna keep getting worse as this fucken cycle continues. Don't these fat cats get tired of this game? Can't we change the game out of boredom? I'm sick and tired of hearing and seeing war EVERY WHERE.0
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Bang on rr0
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Certain aspects of science are questioned, sure, but can anyone reasonably question the idea of a black hole, gravity, evolution, or any thing else in science that you insist are "theories"? It's funny that evolution is treated as both a "theory" and a "fact" whenever it is convenient to treat it as such.It's incredible that we can question so many things in our society (religion, etc.) and yet hold up other ideals in such dogmatic ways without questioning them as well!
Just a comment: that's the thing with science...It IS ALWAYS QUESTIONED. As you said it yourself, it's all theories.
Theories get disproven and new ones are formulated all the time. Evolution and gravity for example, even though they SEEM to be correct and have been around for a long time, are still theories.
No one knows how the universe works, and yeah, I guess I prefer science's theories to religion's stories... but that's because science never settles with anything. It IS flawed. Yet it keeps striving to get better.
Maybe tomorrow some dude in India will find that imaginary numbers are a load of crap... And that's fine! We will have a new theory to work on. But to settle on something, written thousands of years ago as gospel? I could never accept that…
The fact is that most people who question these theories would be laughed out of the room. Why? Because unless you have another theory to present in its place, then you're just questioning for questioning's sake. So it's not enough for one to say, "Prove to us that Evolution exists beyond a doubt!" for us to reject evolution (i.e., the onus is not on you to PROVE that evolution exists beyond a doubt) but then this person will have to prove why evolution is also false (i.e., he/she will have to prove something that they don't believe to exist in the first place, doesn't exist) to actually get anyone credible to listen to them.
People who accept science believe in things written hundreds of years ago (the theory of evolution was presented hundreds of years ago...) and accept it as gospel. Do you honestly believe someone will come along and prove that evolution is false? I think someone like you (as me) is highly doubtful of that...
While the basics of the theory of evolution were presented in the mid-19th century, there have certainly been major revisions over time and scientists the world over continue to research and refine aspects of evolutionary theory, particularly using more precise genetic techniques. Evolution in many species is demonstrably true and can be observed experimentally. So no, I suspect the larger theory won't be proven false, but that doesn't mean that it is "accepted as gospel" as you suggest; it's a work in progress, like all areas of science.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
So RR and BB think it fair to say both sides are fucked up. So the question becomes how do we break the cycle? Not sure we can.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0
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oftenreading wrote: »
Certain aspects of science are questioned, sure, but can anyone reasonably question the idea of a black hole, gravity, evolution, or any thing else in science that you insist are "theories"? It's funny that evolution is treated as both a "theory" and a "fact" whenever it is convenient to treat it as such.It's incredible that we can question so many things in our society (religion, etc.) and yet hold up other ideals in such dogmatic ways without questioning them as well!
Just a comment: that's the thing with science...It IS ALWAYS QUESTIONED. As you said it yourself, it's all theories.
Theories get disproven and new ones are formulated all the time. Evolution and gravity for example, even though they SEEM to be correct and have been around for a long time, are still theories.
No one knows how the universe works, and yeah, I guess I prefer science's theories to religion's stories... but that's because science never settles with anything. It IS flawed. Yet it keeps striving to get better.
Maybe tomorrow some dude in India will find that imaginary numbers are a load of crap... And that's fine! We will have a new theory to work on. But to settle on something, written thousands of years ago as gospel? I could never accept that…
The fact is that most people who question these theories would be laughed out of the room. Why? Because unless you have another theory to present in its place, then you're just questioning for questioning's sake. So it's not enough for one to say, "Prove to us that Evolution exists beyond a doubt!" for us to reject evolution (i.e., the onus is not on you to PROVE that evolution exists beyond a doubt) but then this person will have to prove why evolution is also false (i.e., he/she will have to prove something that they don't believe to exist in the first place, doesn't exist) to actually get anyone credible to listen to them.
People who accept science believe in things written hundreds of years ago (the theory of evolution was presented hundreds of years ago...) and accept it as gospel. Do you honestly believe someone will come along and prove that evolution is false? I think someone like you (as me) is highly doubtful of that...
While the basics of the theory of evolution were presented in the mid-19th century, there have certainly been major revisions over time and scientists the world over continue to research and refine aspects of evolutionary theory, particularly using more precise genetic techniques. Evolution in many species is demonstrably true and can be observed experimentally. So no, I suspect the larger theory won't be proven false, but that doesn't mean that it is "accepted as gospel" as you suggest; it's a work in progress, like all areas of science.
exactly.
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it will take a major revolution; a shift in not only global attitudes towards other cultures and breaking the cycle of violence, but our economy is built on nations fighting over resources. unless we can all come together and share shit equally (no, I'm not suggestiong global communism), it won't change. just the one fact alone that there are millions starving with no access to clean drinking water while we throw out bottled water if it's too warm and we flush our excrement into water cleaner than the water they drink speaks volumes.
we need a zombie apocalypse.
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paulonious wrote: »
it will take a major revolution; a shift in not only global attitudes towards other cultures and breaking the cycle of violence, but our economy is built on nations fighting over resources. unless we can all come together and share shit equally (no, I'm not suggestiong global communism), it won't change. just the one fact alone that there are millions starving with no access to clean drinking water while we throw out bottled water if it's too warm and we flush our excrement into water cleaner than the water they drink speaks volumes.
we need a zombie apocalypse.
In this situation you have IS threatening to behead the Japanese aid worker who was trying to do what you are calling for.He was part of a group distributing some 2million in aid to those in need.In the areas of need.His thanks will be headless body.0 -
paulonious wrote: »
it will take a major revolution; a shift in not only global attitudes towards other cultures and breaking the cycle of violence, but our economy is built on nations fighting over resources. unless we can all come together and share shit equally (no, I'm not suggestiong global communism), it won't change. just the one fact alone that there are millions starving with no access to clean drinking water while we throw out bottled water if it's too warm and we flush our excrement into water cleaner than the water they drink speaks volumes.
we need a zombie apocalypse.
In this situation you have IS threatening to behead the Japanese aid worker who was trying to do what you are calling for.He was part of a group distributing some 2million in aid to those in need.In the areas of need.His thanks will be headless body.
unfortunately, every major cultural shift comes with casualties. we just need more people helping than hurting. and then it will stop.
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paulonious wrote: »paulonious wrote: »
it will take a major revolution; a shift in not only global attitudes towards other cultures and breaking the cycle of violence, but our economy is built on nations fighting over resources. unless we can all come together and share shit equally (no, I'm not suggestiong global communism), it won't change. just the one fact alone that there are millions starving with no access to clean drinking water while we throw out bottled water if it's too warm and we flush our excrement into water cleaner than the water they drink speaks volumes.
we need a zombie apocalypse.
In this situation you have IS threatening to behead the Japanese aid worker who was trying to do what you are calling for.He was part of a group distributing some 2million in aid to those in need.In the areas of need.His thanks will be headless body.
unfortunately, every major cultural shift comes with casualties. we just need more people helping than hurting. and then it will stop.
Not so sure our help is welcome.0 -
I agree. And today Joe Biden suggested that we need boots on the ground in Syria."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
paulonious wrote: »paulonious wrote: »
it will take a major revolution; a shift in not only global attitudes towards other cultures and breaking the cycle of violence, but our economy is built on nations fighting over resources. unless we can all come together and share shit equally (no, I'm not suggestiong global communism), it won't change. just the one fact alone that there are millions starving with no access to clean drinking water while we throw out bottled water if it's too warm and we flush our excrement into water cleaner than the water they drink speaks volumes.
we need a zombie apocalypse.
In this situation you have IS threatening to behead the Japanese aid worker who was trying to do what you are calling for.He was part of a group distributing some 2million in aid to those in need.In the areas of need.His thanks will be headless body.
unfortunately, every major cultural shift comes with casualties. we just need more people helping than hurting. and then it will stop.
Not so sure our help is welcome.
I wasn't referring to the type of "help" the US were giving the Iraqis, if that is what you are getting at.
if not, yes, even aid workers aren't welcome to the oppressors. But helping the innocent is probably more effective than warring with their oppressors, don't you think?
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paulonious wrote: »paulonious wrote: »paulonious wrote: »
it will take a major revolution; a shift in not only global attitudes towards other cultures and breaking the cycle of violence, but our economy is built on nations fighting over resources. unless we can all come together and share shit equally (no, I'm not suggestiong global communism), it won't change. just the one fact alone that there are millions starving with no access to clean drinking water while we throw out bottled water if it's too warm and we flush our excrement into water cleaner than the water they drink speaks volumes.
we need a zombie apocalypse.
In this situation you have IS threatening to behead the Japanese aid worker who was trying to do what you are calling for.He was part of a group distributing some 2million in aid to those in need.In the areas of need.His thanks will be headless body.
unfortunately, every major cultural shift comes with casualties. we just need more people helping than hurting. and then it will stop.
Not so sure our help is welcome.
I wasn't referring to the type of "help" the US were giving the Iraqis, if that is what you are getting at.
if not, yes, even aid workers aren't welcome to the oppressors. But helping the innocent is probably more effective than warring with their oppressors, don't you think?
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^^^ Sounds good to me too. Aggressive moves will only nip us in the butt down the road. We (meaning all or most) will either learn to be helpful and cooperative or the whole house of cards will fall down and who know what will be left when the dust settles.
Doesn't it seem like we're setting the stage for the latter- the collapse of civilization as we know it? Is that too pessimistic? I don't mean it to be- it's just how it looks a lot of the time."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
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I didn't want to start a whole new thread,but I found this quite revealing.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/01/21/how-saudi-arabias-harsh-legal-punishments-compare-to-the-islamic-states/
Sounds like just good clean,wholesome family fun in the Kingdom.If change is to had in the Islamic fundamentalist world,IMO it must start here.Saudi Arabia must be the catalyst for reform and change in this archaic backwards perverted mind set.They must lead the charge for tolerance and equality in the Muslim world.0 -
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Good post RR. Fundamentalism is the real enemy IMO.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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So RR and BB think it fair to say both sides are fucked up. So the question becomes how do we break the cycle? Not sure we can.I didn't want to start a whole new thread,but I found this quite revealing.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/01/21/how-saudi-arabias-harsh-legal-punishments-compare-to-the-islamic-states/
Sounds like just good clean,wholesome family fun in the Kingdom.If change is to had in the Islamic fundamentalist world,IMO it must start here.Saudi Arabia must be the catalyst for reform and change in this archaic backwards perverted mind set.They must lead the charge for tolerance and equality in the Muslim world.
Kinda highlights how nuts ISIS is if a country that thinks it's a good idea to build a giant wall to keep them out thinks it's OK to give a dude 1000 public floggings for being blasphemous on a blog.
Hallelujah! Holy shit! Where's the Tylenol?Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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