a 2 years old kid killed his mom with her gun

josevolution · January 2015

it's not the guns fault i've turned a corner it's always the humans fault .....

JimmyV · January 2015

If someone had decided they needed to carry a concealed weapon, for whatever reason, the decision to carry that weapon into a Walmart would be an easy one. In fact, it might not be much of a decision at all. More of a routine action. The gun probably goes everywhere they do in the course of their daily life. Stores, restaurants, church, hospitals...everywhere.

I don't agree with the need for concealed carry, but to someone who does Walmart would not seem like an outlandish place to do so.

rgambs · January 2015

I don't think it is a valid comparison between the reaction to misuse of police force and the gun tragedies that regularly occur. One involves agents of the government over-reaching their authority in concert with an entire system of corruption and the other is a random group of private citizens committing attrocities in isolation.
We can easily demand accountability and reform that will be successful in achieving our goals, without collateral damage in the first case, but the second is much more complicated to solve, and that lack of viable solutions suppresses activism.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2015

rgambs wrote: »

I don't think it is a valid comparison between the reaction to misuse of police force and the gun tragedies that regularly occur. One involves agents of the government over-reaching their authority in concert with an entire system of corruption and the other is a random group of private citizens committing attrocities in isolation.
We can easily demand accountability and reform that will be successful in achieving our goals, without collateral damage in the first case, but the second is much more complicated to solve, and that lack of viable solutions suppresses activism.

You don't think there are viable solutions to your gun problem?

I do. There's no overnight fix, but there are definitive measures you could take that would result in positive change if the collective will demanded them. The collective will isn't there though. The smaller scale events that happen every hour are accepted as commonplace and the major events spark an appeal to better judgment but it's site specific and never gains any traction.

Bottom line: if your country demanded gun reform... it would get it.

rgambs · January 2015

Viable solutions that people can agree on is what I meant. I am all for gun reform, and I agree there are some common sense things we could do that would make a big impact, but there are a shit ton of yokels in this country that will fight it every step of the way. It is exhausting to the collective will to argue with the pro-gun folks, you and I have experienced this first-hand on these boards. The police misuse of force issue tends to get a much broader consensus, which empowers tje collective will to change.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2015

rgambs wrote: »

Viable solutions that people can agree on is what I meant. I am all for gun reform, and I agree there are some common sense things we could do that would make a big impact, but there are a shit ton of yokels in this country that will fight it every step of the way. It is exhausting to the collective will to argue with the pro-gun folks, you and I have experienced this first-hand on these boards. The police misuse of force issue tends to get a much broader consensus, which empowers tje collective will to change.

I get where you are at. And while I agree with what you are saying about the resistance, my feel is that some fights need to be fought. Easy for me to say not living there, but there's an obvious problem and it numbs the mind that it's not addressed.

mickeyrat · January 2015

Guns owner hear these things the same as we do.

It seems to me , like in other areas, its a "wont happen to me" attitude.
AT some point I would HOPE that people would think that IT CAN happen to anybody and does happen and adjust their activities accordingly.

What percentage of the accidental shootings could be prevented with a little extra SENSIBLE care in the handling and carrying of weapons?

AM I wrong in thinking sensible is an infringement on rights?
Does it make sense to err on the side of caution?

PJfanwillneverleave1 · January 2015

josevolution wrote: »

it's not the guns fault i've turned a corner it's always the humans fault .....

Yeah...stupid 2yr old.

josevolution · January 2015

PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »

josevolution wrote: »

it's not the guns fault i've turned a corner it's always the humans fault .....

Yeah...stupid 2yr old.

SORRY BUT MY ATTEMP AT SARCASM FAILED MISERABLY ....

Wobbie · January 2015

Idaho is just up the way from where I live.....it's strange that my state (utah) leads the nation in concealed carry permits when its pretty much a non threatening environment. Our dumb ass legislature wants to arm teachers, for gods sake. We have had a teacher shoot herself at school....I got a little chuckle out of that.

rgambs · January 2015

I would be fine with a return to bolt-action rifles, lever-action shotguns, and revolvers. Analog-style weapons that, while very deadly, wouldn't allow for such wanton mass destruction, and still preserve the rights of self-protection and hunting. That is hard to imagine, the gun enthusiasts would poop their pants if they had to use their actual dicks for their dick measuring contests.

Wobbie · January 2015

rgambs wrote: »

That is hard to imagine, the gun enthusiasts would poop their pants if they had to use their actual dicks for their dick measuring contests.

so true, so true.

PJ_Soul · January 2015

At least the baby didn't kill himself I guess. X_X

deadendp · January 2015

We are not gun owners, but I suppose that if I was CC and that I had a 2 year old with me (or any child for that matter), I certainly wouldn't consider leaving my purse in the cart with them with a loaded gun. Just saying.

For the record, I don't leave my purse in the cart anyhow. People steal that stuff. Imagine if they stole her purse WITH a loaded gun in it and what damage they could do then.

I don't know what the answer to this is legislatively. :sigh: It's so very sad. "So, how did your mom die?" "I shot her when I was 2." Can you imagine the life this kiddo will have to lead?

catefrances · January 2015

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »

... If Sandy Hook couldn't inspire the same nation wide collective consciousness- then nothing can. It was the perfect catalyst for the reform that every individual with half a brain understands is needed.

^^^ this.

oceaninmyeyes · January 2015

catefrances wrote: »

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »

... If Sandy Hook couldn't inspire the same nation wide collective consciousness- then nothing can. It was the perfect catalyst for the reform that every individual with half a brain understands is needed.

^^^ this.

I absolutely agree. And yet, after all of the death and destruction, we have idiots like these two. [img][/img]myfox8.com/2015/01/11/parents-arrested-after-filming-baby-playing-with-gun/

mikepegg44 · January 2015

PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »

tempo_n_groove wrote: »

Gun laws are like cops as of recently, you only hear of the bad things. Sure things could use some work but nobody wants to work anything out.

What is to work out? I can't imagine what would make a person want to bring a concealed gun with them to go shopping at walmart with their kids. Permit or not, what the fuck makes you think that is normal? or Is there really a need to carry a concealed loaded gun with you when you go out?

I can't believe this incident isn't pissing more people off. I don't even leave anything smaller than a golf ball lying around to make sure it is not accidentally picked up and placed in the mouth of my children to prevent choking.

Who the fuck leaves a loaded weapon with children around and turns their back? - that shit is fucked up.

Stupid, stupid, stupid parent/individual. Apparently the father gave her a purse that had a "special pocket to conceal the weapon". Who gives a shit? What a stupid mom/parent to leave a loaded weapon lying around at an arms length of a child.

This story is so bizarre it seems fake.

I can give you an example. A friend of mine has dealings with a rather high profile drug case. He is a probation officer who had a few of his case load get busted in a rather large drug sting dealing with major cartels. He is not legally aloud to carry on duty in the state of minnesota, but has a concealed weapons permit for his personal life. He was shopping with his daughter, oddly enough at a Walmart, when walking out a man approached him talking to him about how he knows he is a probation officer and has certain clients. He was being friendly and cordial but kept referencing his daughter and the clients. My friend then saw the same man walking in front of his house a few days later as well as at a coffee shop. This is in a small town, certainly could have been a coincidence, but this is just one of many reasons why someone might be compelled to carry a weapon when at Walmart with their children.

The gun owner here made a terrible terrible mistake, she cannot live with it, and that poor child has to...but there are reasons why people feel compelled to carry around their children...that being said, there isn't much more that needs to be said other than this was terrible, and completely irresponsible and hopefully wakes those people with conceal and carry permits up and makes them examine whether they need it or not.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2015

Darwin Award recipient 2014.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · January 2015

paulonious wrote: »

Darwin Award recipient 2014.

and 2015

PJfanwillneverleave1 · January 2015

mikepegg44 wrote: »

PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »

tempo_n_groove wrote: »

Gun laws are like cops as of recently, you only hear of the bad things. Sure things could use some work but nobody wants to work anything out.

What is to work out? I can't imagine what would make a person want to bring a concealed gun with them to go shopping at walmart with their kids. Permit or not, what the fuck makes you think that is normal? or Is there really a need to carry a concealed loaded gun with you when you go out?

I can't believe this incident isn't pissing more people off. I don't even leave anything smaller than a golf ball lying around to make sure it is not accidentally picked up and placed in the mouth of my children to prevent choking.

Who the fuck leaves a loaded weapon with children around and turns their back? - that shit is fucked up.

Stupid, stupid, stupid parent/individual. Apparently the father gave her a purse that had a "special pocket to conceal the weapon". Who gives a shit? What a stupid mom/parent to leave a loaded weapon lying around at an arms length of a child.

This story is so bizarre it seems fake.

I can give you an example. A friend of mine has dealings with a rather high profile drug case. He is a probation officer who had a few of his case load get busted in a rather large drug sting dealing with major cartels. He is not legally aloud to carry on duty in the state of minnesota, but has a concealed weapons permit for his personal life. He was shopping with his daughter, oddly enough at a Walmart, when walking out a man approached him talking to him about how he knows he is a probation officer and has certain clients. He was being friendly and cordial but kept referencing his daughter and the clients. My friend then saw the same man walking in front of his house a few days later as well as at a coffee shop. This is in a small town, certainly could have been a coincidence, but this is just one of many reasons why someone might be compelled to carry a weapon when at Walmart with their children.

The gun owner here made a terrible terrible mistake, she cannot live with it, and that poor child has to...but there are reasons why people feel compelled to carry around their children...that being said, there isn't much more that needs to be said other than this was terrible, and completely irresponsible and hopefully wakes those people with conceal and carry permits up and makes them examine whether they need it or not.

That is a good story all of it. I would hope though that you can agree that turning your back on a child for a second with a loaded weapon at their arms reach should've never been done.

a 2 years old kid killed his mom with her gun

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