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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-boy-accidentally-kills-mom-wal-mart-27907771

Another responsible gun owner i guess..
so sad.......


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,593
    is it reasonable to say that a loaded gun, apparently with one in the chamber, with the safety OFF is being handled/kept responsibly while left in a purse?
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    No need for stricter gun laws. Everything's fine.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    mickeyrat wrote: »
    is it reasonable to say that a loaded gun, apparently with one in the chamber, with the safety OFF is being handled/kept responsibly while left in a purse?

    I was wondering if conceal carry allows you to keep a gun in a purse if you are not actually carrying it. I'm guessing the NRA has fought for that to be the case.

    BTW, this is Eric Bana's safety ...

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2014
    mickeyrat wrote: »
    is it reasonable to say that a loaded gun, apparently with one in the chamber, with the safety OFF is being handled/kept responsibly while left in a purse?

    Yes. What is wrong with that?
    I think it is perfectly acceptable.
    Perfectly.....

    I think everyone in the world should be allowed to go shopping with toddlers carrying loaded weapons in their purse. Because we all know children never go into purses, bags or anything for that matter. In fact, you can turn your back for seconds to a child and not worry about anything. So it is perfectly fine to do this. In fact it should be a goddamn right for everyone I say. Stupid gun laws of other countries suck.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767
    It's a good thing that mom had a carry permit
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    Gun laws are like cops as of recently, you only hear of the bad things. Sure things could use some work but nobody wants to work anything out.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited January 2015
    tempo_n_groove wrote: »
    Gun laws are like cops as of recently, you only hear of the bad things. Sure things could use some work but nobody wants to work anything out.

    What is to work out? I can't imagine what would make a person want to bring a concealed gun with them to go shopping at walmart with their kids. Permit or not, what the fuck makes you think that is normal? or Is there really a need to carry a concealed loaded gun with you when you go out?

    I can't believe this incident isn't pissing more people off. I don't even leave anything smaller than a golf ball lying around to make sure it is not accidentally picked up and placed in the mouth of my children to prevent choking.

    Who the fuck leaves a loaded weapon with children around and turns their back? - that shit is fucked up.

    Stupid, stupid, stupid parent/individual. Apparently the father gave her a purse that had a "special pocket to conceal the weapon". Who gives a shit? What a stupid mom/parent to leave a loaded weapon lying around at an arms length of a child.

    This story is so bizarre it seems fake.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    People aren't more pissed off because the reasonable people in the United States have run the spectrum of emotions when it comes to gun control. They're weary of talking logic to ears incapable or unwilling to listen to reason.

    As well, similar incidents happen with greater frequency than anyone cares to admit. If it's not a 2 year old shooting their mother, it's another child shooting an instructor at a gun range, or it's a child shooting another child, or it's the classic Looney shooting randoms, or it's whatever.

    The inmates run the asylum.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    People aren't more pissed off because the reasonable people in the United States have run the spectrum of emotions when it comes to gun control. They're weary of talking logic to ears incapable or unwilling to listen to reason.

    The reasonable people are becoming complacent.
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,174
    There's a lot of bears in Idaho.

    No, seriously, I hate to say this but this dumbass family got what they deserved. It's not like you're in some sketchy part of town....you're in fucking Hayden, Idaho for chrissakes.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    I was just about to say I wouldn't necessarily say complacent, however... given the national outrage people have demonstrated against the police... you'd think that something remotely similar might have occurred after Sandy Hook or some other brutal incident which simply begged for reform.

    The collective will doesn't appear to be there.

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    I was just about to say I wouldn't necessarily say complacent, however... given the national outrage people have demonstrated against the police... you'd think that something remotely similar might have occurred after Sandy Hook or some other brutal incident which simply begged for reform.

    The collective will doesn't appear to be there.

    This has nothing to do with police.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    I was just about to say I wouldn't necessarily say complacent, however... given the national outrage people have demonstrated against the police... you'd think that something remotely similar might have occurred after Sandy Hook or some other brutal incident which simply begged for reform.

    The collective will doesn't appear to be there.

    This has nothing to do with police.

    Well duh.

    I'm talking about civil unrest expressing themselves and demanding change. Citizens collectively demonstrated their outrage over police brutality seeking change because there was a will to do so.

    If Sandy Hook couldn't inspire the same nation wide collective consciousness- then nothing can. It was the perfect catalyst for the reform that every individual with half a brain understands is needed.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    I was just about to say I wouldn't necessarily say complacent, however... given the national outrage people have demonstrated against the police... you'd think that something remotely similar might have occurred after Sandy Hook or some other brutal incident which simply begged for reform.

    The collective will doesn't appear to be there.

    This has nothing to do with police.

    Well duh.

    I'm talking about civil unrest expressing themselves and demanding change. Citizens collectively demonstrated their outrage over police brutality seeking change because there was a will to do so.

    If Sandy Hook couldn't inspire the same nation wide collective consciousness- then nothing can. It was the perfect catalyst for the reform that every individual with half a brain understands is needed.

    Well duh too.

    What has this got to do with a 2yr old shooting her mom at walmart?
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    I was just about to say I wouldn't necessarily say complacent, however... given the national outrage people have demonstrated against the police... you'd think that something remotely similar might have occurred after Sandy Hook or some other brutal incident which simply begged for reform.

    The collective will doesn't appear to be there.

    This has nothing to do with police.

    Well duh.

    I'm talking about civil unrest expressing themselves and demanding change. Citizens collectively demonstrated their outrage over police brutality seeking change because there was a will to do so.

    If Sandy Hook couldn't inspire the same nation wide collective consciousness- then nothing can. It was the perfect catalyst for the reform that every individual with half a brain understands is needed.

    Well duh too.

    What has this got to do with a 2yr old shooting her mom at walmart?

    Are you serious? You now get a double duh.

    You said the reasonable people have become complacent. I agreed with you. Supporting what we were agreeing about, I pointed to the collective movement citizens mustered for police brutality after a cop shot a guy who just assaulted him and robbed a convenience store compared to the rather lame effort put forth in the wake of Sandy Hook when an idiot killed 26 people in an elementary school with an assault rifle.

    If you can't understand this then go take up shooting.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    I was just about to say I wouldn't necessarily say complacent, however... given the national outrage people have demonstrated against the police... you'd think that something remotely similar might have occurred after Sandy Hook or some other brutal incident which simply begged for reform.

    The collective will doesn't appear to be there.

    This has nothing to do with police.

    Well duh.

    I'm talking about civil unrest expressing themselves and demanding change. Citizens collectively demonstrated their outrage over police brutality seeking change because there was a will to do so.

    If Sandy Hook couldn't inspire the same nation wide collective consciousness- then nothing can. It was the perfect catalyst for the reform that every individual with half a brain understands is needed.

    Well duh too.

    What has this got to do with a 2yr old shooting her mom at walmart?

    Are you serious? You now get a double duh.

    You said the reasonable people have become complacent. I agreed with you. Supporting what we were agreeing about, I pointed to the collective movement citizens mustered for police brutality after a cop shot a guy who just assaulted him and robbed a convenience store compared to the rather lame effort put forth in the wake of Sandy Hook when an idiot killed 26 people in an elementary school with an assault rifle.

    If you can't understand this then go take up shooting.

    And this has to do with a two year old shooting the mom how?
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    I was just about to say I wouldn't necessarily say complacent, however... given the national outrage people have demonstrated against the police... you'd think that something remotely similar might have occurred after Sandy Hook or some other brutal incident which simply begged for reform.

    The collective will doesn't appear to be there.

    This has nothing to do with police.

    Well duh.

    I'm talking about civil unrest expressing themselves and demanding change. Citizens collectively demonstrated their outrage over police brutality seeking change because there was a will to do so.

    If Sandy Hook couldn't inspire the same nation wide collective consciousness- then nothing can. It was the perfect catalyst for the reform that every individual with half a brain understands is needed.

    Well duh too.

    What has this got to do with a 2yr old shooting her mom at walmart?

    Are you serious? You now get a double duh.

    You said the reasonable people have become complacent. I agreed with you. Supporting what we were agreeing about, I pointed to the collective movement citizens mustered for police brutality after a cop shot a guy who just assaulted him and robbed a convenience store compared to the rather lame effort put forth in the wake of Sandy Hook when an idiot killed 26 people in an elementary school with an assault rifle.

    If you can't understand this then go take up shooting.

    And this has to do with a two year old shooting the mom how?

    See ya.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    I was just about to say I wouldn't necessarily say complacent, however... given the national outrage people have demonstrated against the police... you'd think that something remotely similar might have occurred after Sandy Hook or some other brutal incident which simply begged for reform.

    The collective will doesn't appear to be there.

    This has nothing to do with police.

    Well duh.

    I'm talking about civil unrest expressing themselves and demanding change. Citizens collectively demonstrated their outrage over police brutality seeking change because there was a will to do so.

    If Sandy Hook couldn't inspire the same nation wide collective consciousness- then nothing can. It was the perfect catalyst for the reform that every individual with half a brain understands is needed.

    Well duh too.

    What has this got to do with a 2yr old shooting her mom at walmart?

    Are you serious? You now get a double duh.

    You said the reasonable people have become complacent. I agreed with you. Supporting what we were agreeing about, I pointed to the collective movement citizens mustered for police brutality after a cop shot a guy who just assaulted him and robbed a convenience store compared to the rather lame effort put forth in the wake of Sandy Hook when an idiot killed 26 people in an elementary school with an assault rifle.

    If you can't understand this then go take up shooting.

    And this has to do with a two year old shooting the mom how?

    See ya.

    ciao
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Humans.

    It's evolution baby.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,593
    You cant tell me that a gun with safety off in a specially designed purse is carried by a responsible person. Its that kind of choice that suggests complacency.

    I suspect its always been this way. The webernet gives us more ready access to these kinds of stories.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,541
    it's not the guns fault i've turned a corner it's always the humans fault .....
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    If someone had decided they needed to carry a concealed weapon, for whatever reason, the decision to carry that weapon into a Walmart would be an easy one. In fact, it might not be much of a decision at all. More of a routine action. The gun probably goes everywhere they do in the course of their daily life. Stores, restaurants, church, hospitals...everywhere.

    I don't agree with the need for concealed carry, but to someone who does Walmart would not seem like an outlandish place to do so.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    I don't think it is a valid comparison between the reaction to misuse of police force and the gun tragedies that regularly occur. One involves agents of the government over-reaching their authority in concert with an entire system of corruption and the other is a random group of private citizens committing attrocities in isolation.
    We can easily demand accountability and reform that will be successful in achieving our goals, without collateral damage in the first case, but the second is much more complicated to solve, and that lack of viable solutions suppresses activism.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rgambs wrote: »
    I don't think it is a valid comparison between the reaction to misuse of police force and the gun tragedies that regularly occur. One involves agents of the government over-reaching their authority in concert with an entire system of corruption and the other is a random group of private citizens committing attrocities in isolation.
    We can easily demand accountability and reform that will be successful in achieving our goals, without collateral damage in the first case, but the second is much more complicated to solve, and that lack of viable solutions suppresses activism.

    You don't think there are viable solutions to your gun problem?

    I do. There's no overnight fix, but there are definitive measures you could take that would result in positive change if the collective will demanded them. The collective will isn't there though. The smaller scale events that happen every hour are accepted as commonplace and the major events spark an appeal to better judgment but it's site specific and never gains any traction.

    Bottom line: if your country demanded gun reform... it would get it.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Viable solutions that people can agree on is what I meant. I am all for gun reform, and I agree there are some common sense things we could do that would make a big impact, but there are a shit ton of yokels in this country that will fight it every step of the way. It is exhausting to the collective will to argue with the pro-gun folks, you and I have experienced this first-hand on these boards. The police misuse of force issue tends to get a much broader consensus, which empowers tje collective will to change.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rgambs wrote: »
    Viable solutions that people can agree on is what I meant. I am all for gun reform, and I agree there are some common sense things we could do that would make a big impact, but there are a shit ton of yokels in this country that will fight it every step of the way. It is exhausting to the collective will to argue with the pro-gun folks, you and I have experienced this first-hand on these boards. The police misuse of force issue tends to get a much broader consensus, which empowers tje collective will to change.

    I get where you are at. And while I agree with what you are saying about the resistance, my feel is that some fights need to be fought. Easy for me to say not living there, but there's an obvious problem and it numbs the mind that it's not addressed.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,593
    Guns owner hear these things the same as we do.

    It seems to me , like in other areas, its a "wont happen to me" attitude.
    AT some point I would HOPE that people would think that IT CAN happen to anybody and does happen and adjust their activities accordingly.

    What percentage of the accidental shootings could be prevented with a little extra SENSIBLE care in the handling and carrying of weapons?


    AM I wrong in thinking sensible is an infringement on rights?
    Does it make sense to err on the side of caution?
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    josevolution wrote: »
    it's not the guns fault i've turned a corner it's always the humans fault .....

    Yeah...stupid 2yr old.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,541
    PJfanwillneverleave1 wrote: »
    josevolution wrote: »
    it's not the guns fault i've turned a corner it's always the humans fault .....

    Yeah...stupid 2yr old.

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,174
    Idaho is just up the way from where I live.....it's strange that my state (utah) leads the nation in concealed carry permits when its pretty much a non threatening environment. Our dumb ass legislature wants to arm teachers, for gods sake. We have had a teacher shoot herself at school....I got a little chuckle out of that.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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