Racism without Racists.

arq said:

We all see colors, but how we decide to conduct ourselves is what matters.

This, in a nice nutshell.

Godfather. said:

dude really ? this thread will have no end and until the end of days racisim will be in just about every man of every color, it's a shame but it's true.

Godfather.

It's good that you recognize it, but in that recognition, it suggests that you're not the kind of person this study is aimed at. In addition to the OP, I'm sure that there are others here who would absolutely fight the notion that they are innately or subconsciously discriminatory. I personally find that train of thought to be naive, as it both diminishes the complexity of one's brain, as well as negates the power of subconscious influence.

Last-12-Exit said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

dude really ? this thread will have no end and until the end of days racisim will be in just about every man of every color, it's a shame but it's true.

Godfather.

It's good that you recognize it, but in that recognition, it suggests that you're not the kind of person this study is aimed at. In addition to the OP, I'm sure that there are others here who would absolutely fight the notion that they are innately or subconsciously discriminatory. I personally find that train of thought to be naive, as it both diminishes the complexity of one's brain, as well as negates the power of subconscious influence.

Then call me naive. I'll not arguing that I don't judge people I don't know, I'm arguing that I do it based on color. To suggest that I do based on a study seems silly.

I'm suggesting that you, me, or anyone else here, are all going to exhibit some form of prejudice inherently, and that it's beyond our control. I didn't mean to offend with what I said, but I stand by what I said: there are nuances in how our thought processes work that we simply don't understand, and we make complex mental computations without thinking about them on a regular basis. Even eyesight: our eyes capture upside-down, and our brain determines it should be flipped.

I'm not really sure I understand your last two sentences... The study is arguing that people innately judge based on differences. You just stated that you judge people based on differences. Therefore, would you not fall within the same category as the study sample? :-?

To me, all this discussion about "I don't see colour" doesn't make much sense. Why should we have to think of all people as equal: why can we not embrace and celebrate our differences instead of pretending they don't exist? In fact, if our subconscious minds are jumping to conclusions, maybe to practice this way of appreciating differences can actually serve to combat our innate racism.

The human mind is constantly profiling and judging whether we accept it or not.

I think some people confuse or correlate racism with hate. I don't think one needs to hate to be racist. What I mean to say is, all humans are racist to some extent. Even reverse racism is racism. I for one admit to being racist. That doesn't mean I hate any particular race (I do NOT), it just means that I see in colour. Do I personally treat different people differently? NO! I treat everyone with respect, until such time that they disrespect me. Whether they are the same race as me or not. Just to clarify; I love all people regardless of how they look but if a person crosses me I love them a little less.


Additionally: I am a white male and if hate enters into the equation, then I would say that I hate haters. Is that wrong?


Am I one of those "haters" that I hate because I hate the haters? ) >-

All I am Saying is (and to quote the late Kurt Cobain) "I like to feel prejudice towards people who are prejudice"

If one doesn't think they are in some way racist, then they are only lying to themselves.

Like I said, We are all racist just that some are hateful while others like myself are not.

brianlux said:

Bennyorr4 said:

All I am Saying is (and to quote the late Kurt Cobain) "I like to feel prejudice towards people who are prejudice"

If one doesn't think they are in some way racist, then they are only lying to themselves.

Like I said, We are all racist just that some are hateful while others like myself are not.

If we are all racists and you accept the dictionary definition then is it true we all contribute to this?:

: poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

: the belief that some races of people are better than others

I wonder if you mean "biased" as opposed to "racist"? For example, I came up with a motto for my book business:

"Quality used books for the discriminating reader."

I like and carry quality used books, therefor I am discriminate based on a bias. That does not make me a racist.

Sorry but I'm not going along with the idea that we are all racists. Not according to the Webster definition of the term. I do not believe for a second that all of us treat other races poorly or think our race is better than another. A shitload of people do believe that, for sure. But everyone does? No way. We all have biases about things, sure. But all are racist? No way.

Bias/racist: I think it is important to be discriminating and accurate in our use of words .

Absolutely Brian, bias is the proper word. Precision of language. There is a young adult novel called the Giver that was just made into a movie aand they did really well, check it out if your browsing a movie to watch.

Jason P said:

Is the following an email intercept between two Koch VP's or two of liberal Hollywood elites?

....

“What should I ask the president at this stupid Jeffrey breakfast?” Pascal inquired of Rudin.
“Would he like to finance some movies,” Rudin suggested.
“I doubt it,” Pascal replied. “Should I ask him if he liked DJANGO?”
“12 YEARS,” Rudin said.
“Or the butler. Or think like a man?” responded Pascal, maintaining the trend of only naming movies with race themes or black casts.
“Ride-along,” countered Rudin. “I bet he likes Kevin Hart.”
The irony of the exchange is that Pascal — like much of Hollywood’s elite — is a major Obama donor. In particular, the Sony executive donated $5,000 to the president’s campaign for reelection in 2012 in addition to giving $30,800 to the Democratic National Committee.

Read more at http://redalertpolitics.com/2014/12/11/sony-executive-jokes-obama-race-leaked-e-mail/#J5sgsma6SjJyoSaZ.99

Obviously some mild racism going on- and that sucks- but what I really find disturbing is seeing an email conversation between two people going public. Shit man, if my emails were made public I'd be fuckin' pissed! Am I missing something here?

rgambs said:

brianlux said:

Bennyorr4 said:

All I am Saying is (and to quote the late Kurt Cobain) "I like to feel prejudice towards people who are prejudice"

If one doesn't think they are in some way racist, then they are only lying to themselves.

Like I said, We are all racist just that some are hateful while others like myself are not.

If we are all racists and you accept the dictionary definition then is it true we all contribute to this?:

: poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

: the belief that some races of people are better than others

I wonder if you mean "biased" as opposed to "racist"? For example, I came up with a motto for my book business:

"Quality used books for the discriminating reader."

I like and carry quality used books, therefor I am discriminate based on a bias. That does not make me a racist.

Sorry but I'm not going along with the idea that we are all racists. Not according to the Webster definition of the term. I do not believe for a second that all of us treat other races poorly or think our race is better than another. A shitload of people do believe that, for sure. But everyone does? No way. We all have biases about things, sure. But all are racist? No way.

Bias/racist: I think it is important to be discriminating and accurate in our use of words .

Absolutely Brian, bias is the proper word. Precision of language. There is a young adult novel called the Giver that was just made into a movie aand they did really well, check it out if your browsing a movie to watch.

You are correct here Bri.Thats exactly what it is.
Gambs,I saw that movie and thought,Ehhhhh but I will give it another go.Tonight we are checking out that Maze movie.

brianlux said:

Jason P said:

Is the following an email intercept between two Koch VP's or two of liberal Hollywood elites?

....

“What should I ask the president at this stupid Jeffrey breakfast?” Pascal inquired of Rudin.
“Would he like to finance some movies,” Rudin suggested.
“I doubt it,” Pascal replied. “Should I ask him if he liked DJANGO?”
“12 YEARS,” Rudin said.
“Or the butler. Or think like a man?” responded Pascal, maintaining the trend of only naming movies with race themes or black casts.
“Ride-along,” countered Rudin. “I bet he likes Kevin Hart.”
The irony of the exchange is that Pascal — like much of Hollywood’s elite — is a major Obama donor. In particular, the Sony executive donated $5,000 to the president’s campaign for reelection in 2012 in addition to giving $30,800 to the Democratic National Committee.

Read more at http://redalertpolitics.com/2014/12/11/sony-executive-jokes-obama-race-leaked-e-mail/#J5sgsma6SjJyoSaZ.99

Obviously some mild racism going on- and that sucks- but what I really find disturbing is seeing an email conversation between two people going public. Shit man, if my emails were made public I'd be fuckin' pissed! Am I missing something here?

Is it mildly racist though? I don't see anywhere where they are saying that they are better than Barack Obama or that Barack should be a slave or any thing like that. They are just making a joke in a private email. I doubt there was even a hint of ill will intended. I wouldn't be surprised if they were forced to resign in this zero tolerance country where you can't say anything anymore that remotely could offend anyone. This is now a country where you contribute money to the wrong party and you could lose your job (I.e., Mozilla).

Free speech is dead and the right to privacy is dead too. We think we have advanced but we are slaves to our machines.