Pearl Jam Bellingham 5/10/2000 Vault Show #4 Vinyl PreSale. CD/Digital on sale now! Free Digital D!

demetrios · December 2014

ali_burge said:

demetrios said:

darthvedder said:

boyo79 said:
Dead Man Walking is missing from the vinyl release.
That's disappointing, especially if it wasn't mentioned in the item description when it was for sale. Hopefully the CD/Digital Download includes it.
It totally is disappointing. Because the complete show, including Dead Man (3:46 running time), has been shared in the trading community for many many years. How did this not make it on the Vault 4 release?

It's a Pearl Jam song. Not a cover song.
http://pearljam.com/music/lyrics/all/all/20840/dead_man_walking

There's no technical problems with this audio file that we have been sharing.
It's an Eddie song, not a Pearl Jam song - maybe it's a rights issue as presumably Sony (who put the film's soundtrack out) may not want it issued elsewhere? PJ did leave Sony to start their own label after all...

COMPOSER: Vedder
ARTIST: Pearl Jam

The song wasn't used in the Dead Man Walking Soundtrack. The Face of Love & Long Road tracks by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Eddie Vedder were on the films soundtrack. Dead Man which is a B-Side to Off He Goes & the song played @ Bellingham '00 was never played in the films soundtrack. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112818/soundtrack

given2fly23 · December 2014

boyo79 said:

Totally agree. It's not too difficult for 10c to send a communication saying it's an incomplete show. Not difficult at all. Just dismissing it off-hand and taking the view that people will order regardless is pretty poor.

Agreed. It sucks that almost every Vault release has some flaw and it's never communicated. Hopefully the CD version is complete.

given2fly23 · December 2014

paulonious said:
the show is like a story. do movie studios released a dvd with 5 minutes of the movie missing? no.

This is a GREAT way to put it. Sometimes I think that the decision-makers on this (whether it's the band or someone else) are just too close to the situation to realize how much we care; like they don't realize leaving off one song is a BIG deal). I wish they would consult a handful of long-time collectors to get input on which shows (stuff that wasn't taped by fans and has never circulated) to release and how to do it.

ali_burge · December 2014

demetrios said:

ali_burge said:

demetrios said:

darthvedder said:

boyo79 said:
Dead Man Walking is missing from the vinyl release.
That's disappointing, especially if it wasn't mentioned in the item description when it was for sale. Hopefully the CD/Digital Download includes it.
It totally is disappointing. Because the complete show, including Dead Man (3:46 running time), has been shared in the trading community for many many years. How did this not make it on the Vault 4 release?

It's a Pearl Jam song. Not a cover song.
http://pearljam.com/music/lyrics/all/all/20840/dead_man_walking

There's no technical problems with this audio file that we have been sharing.
It's an Eddie song, not a Pearl Jam song - maybe it's a rights issue as presumably Sony (who put the film's soundtrack out) may not want it issued elsewhere? PJ did leave Sony to start their own label after all...
COMPOSER: Vedder
ARTIST: Pearl Jam

The song wasn't used in the Dead Man Walking Soundtrack. The Face of Love & Long Road tracks by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Eddie Vedder were on the films soundtrack. Dead Man which is a B-Side to Off He Goes & the song played @ Bellingham '00 was never played in the films soundtrack. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112818/soundtrack

Ooops - my bad!

FR181798 · December 2014

Thin oversize box, thin bubble wrap. My Vault 4 was rattling around inside the box but I got lucky, mine was in perfect shape. Totally didnt expect this to arrive this year.

leespj · December 2014

Mine arrived today. Shipped from Czech Republic ?
So why the very large shipping fee ?
I thought that was because it was shipping from the US

Are Ten Club having all the vinyl made in the US then shipping them to Czech Republic to a distribution warehouse then re-shipping to europe ten club members ?

Or do they out source to Europe for final production for Europe members ?

KV4053 · December 2014

demetrios said:

ali_burge said:

demetrios said:

darthvedder said:

boyo79 said:
Dead Man Walking is missing from the vinyl release.
That's disappointing, especially if it wasn't mentioned in the item description when it was for sale. Hopefully the CD/Digital Download includes it.
It totally is disappointing. Because the complete show, including Dead Man (3:46 running time), has been shared in the trading community for many many years. How did this not make it on the Vault 4 release?

It's a Pearl Jam song. Not a cover song.
http://pearljam.com/music/lyrics/all/all/20840/dead_man_walking

There's no technical problems with this audio file that we have been sharing.
It's an Eddie song, not a Pearl Jam song - maybe it's a rights issue as presumably Sony (who put the film's soundtrack out) may not want it issued elsewhere? PJ did leave Sony to start their own label after all...
COMPOSER: Vedder
ARTIST: Pearl Jam

The song wasn't used in the Dead Man Walking Soundtrack. The Face of Love & Long Road tracks by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Eddie Vedder were on the films soundtrack. Dead Man which is a B-Side to Off He Goes & the song played @ Bellingham '00 was never played in the films soundtrack. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112818/soundtrack

FWIW, Dead Man is on the Dead Man Walking reissue

demetrios · December 2014

KV4053 said:

demetrios said:

ali_burge said:

demetrios said:

darthvedder said:

boyo79 said:
Dead Man Walking is missing from the vinyl release.
That's disappointing, especially if it wasn't mentioned in the item description when it was for sale. Hopefully the CD/Digital Download includes it.
It totally is disappointing. Because the complete show, including Dead Man (3:46 running time), has been shared in the trading community for many many years. How did this not make it on the Vault 4 release?

It's a Pearl Jam song. Not a cover song.
http://pearljam.com/music/lyrics/all/all/20840/dead_man_walking

There's no technical problems with this audio file that we have been sharing.
It's an Eddie song, not a Pearl Jam song - maybe it's a rights issue as presumably Sony (who put the film's soundtrack out) may not want it issued elsewhere? PJ did leave Sony to start their own label after all...
COMPOSER: Vedder
ARTIST: Pearl Jam

The song wasn't used in the Dead Man Walking Soundtrack. The Face of Love & Long Road tracks by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Eddie Vedder were on the films soundtrack. Dead Man which is a B-Side to Off He Goes & the song played @ Bellingham '00 was never played in the films soundtrack. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112818/soundtrack

FWIW, Dead Man is on the Dead Man Walking reissue

Oh shit it is. D'oh!!!! My bad. I have this CD+DVD combo. Totally forget it was on this.

http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Man-Walking-David-Robbins/dp/B000EHQ8FA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1417562068&sr=8-3&keywords=dead+man+walking+soundtrack

"The Legacy Edition of the Dead Man Walking Soundtrack is a bit different in that it includes Eddie Vedder's "Dead Man," which was originally left off the original soundtrack (and the movie) because it conflicted with Bruce Springsteen's eponymous tune.

Still blows though that it's not included on the vinyl.

PJ_Soul · December 2014

boyo79 said:

paulonious said:

jerparker20 said:

PJ_Soul said:

boyo79 said:

PJ_Soul said:

TinAnt said:
How much dead wax is there? Maybe the decision was based on run times for the LPs?
That is usually why songs are left off of vinyl. They may have had to cut something to avoid spreading it between 4 discs.... if the song is still on then CD and/download, that is almost certainly it.
None of the vinyl is short of run time. Side A has 5 songs which is the most of any of the vinyls. I think one side has 3 songs on.

10c should have notified us that the song would be missing.

Oh. Well, yeah, in that case they should have just said something.... Of course, would anyone have actually not bought it if they had said something?? I doubt it.
Exactly!
obviously people would have still bought it. But the issue is 10C almost never is full disclosure on this shit. The reasoning for DITP was most likely because the 2 songs left off were covers (I still don't get that, btw). the point is, if you are going to release a live show in vinyl, make it the complete bloody show. otherwise, in my eyes, it's completely pointless. the show is like a story. do movie studios released a dvd with 5 minutes of the movie missing? no. they put it on two discs and charge more.

orpheum was retarded. they could have EASILY made that a two cd set. I get the issue with a few of the tracks and the taping, but the good tracks that were left off? I just thought that was the weirdest official release ever.

Totally agree. It's not too difficult for 10c to send a communication saying it's an incomplete show. Not difficult at all. Just dismissing it off-hand and taking the view that people will order regardless is pretty poor.

Haha, well I'm not one to avoid saying something when 10c does something that seems off to me (shipping!!!), but I am clearly biased because Dead Man is one of my least favorite PJ songs ever, so I am happy they took it out.

)

Again, that does suck for those who are going to miss it... although really, even without bias, it isn't THAT bad. I listen to Vault 3 all the time and haven't once wished the deleted part was there while listening, even though I was initially disappointed about the cuts - I love Push Me, Pull Me. But after the initial disappointment, it's hard to miss it that much when you've never even heard the show with it in the first place.

Dr. Delight · December 2014

I know you didnt just make fun of "Dead Man"......

given2fly23 · December 2014

PJ_Soul said:

it's hard to miss it that much when you've never even heard the show with it in the first place.

I'm the opposite. I can't listen to an incomplete show. Every Vault release has been been patched by fans to correct the flaws, and those are the only versions I listen to.

boyo79 · December 2014

There's a noticeable between Faithfull and MFC where Dead Man should be. The inclusion of Push Me Pull Me on Vault 3 was just ridiculous. I'd rather they left it off than include half a song.

2-feign-reluctance · December 2014

Did the radio broadcast they did years back on PJ Radio play Dead Man?

given2fly23 · December 2014

2-feign-reluctance said:
Did the radio broadcast they did years back on PJ Radio play Dead Man?

Yeah, I just checked it and it's there.

TinAnt · December 2014

demetrios said:

ali_burge said:

demetrios said:

darthvedder said:

boyo79 said:
Dead Man Walking is missing from the vinyl release.
That's disappointing, especially if it wasn't mentioned in the item description when it was for sale. Hopefully the CD/Digital Download includes it.
It totally is disappointing. Because the complete show, including Dead Man (3:46 running time), has been shared in the trading community for many many years. How did this not make it on the Vault 4 release?

It's a Pearl Jam song. Not a cover song.
http://pearljam.com/music/lyrics/all/all/20840/dead_man_walking

There's no technical problems with this audio file that we have been sharing.
It's an Eddie song, not a Pearl Jam song - maybe it's a rights issue as presumably Sony (who put the film's soundtrack out) may not want it issued elsewhere? PJ did leave Sony to start their own label after all...
COMPOSER: Vedder
ARTIST: Pearl Jam

The song wasn't used in the Dead Man Walking Soundtrack. The Face of Love & Long Road tracks by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Eddie Vedder were on the films soundtrack. Dead Man which is a B-Side to Off He Goes & the song played @ Bellingham '00 was never played in the films soundtrack. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112818/soundtrack

Sony may still own all the publishing rights to this song, even though Eddie/Pearl Jam might own the copyright.

skinnyportagee · December 2014

My guess is 10C probably ran the presale before sending off files to the pressing plant. The pressing company lays the tracks for a test press and determines all the songs won't fit on 3 LPs. 10C and the plant then figure out what to cut to make it work.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2014

joshpeichoto said:
My guess is 10C probably ran the presale before sending off files to the pressing plant. The pressing company lays the tracks for a test press and determines all the songs won't fit on 3 LPs. 10C and the plant then figure out what to cut to make it work.

in all of the live vinyl sales I've ever seen of any other band, no one else has ever had this issue. My guess is either it was planned from the beginning, or they didn't do their due dilligence (checking track length) before sending it off. either way, and I didn't buy this, it really is laziness and ridiculous. not to mention not giving a shit about those that bought it.

demetrios · December 2014

joshpeichoto said:
My guess is 10C probably ran the presale before sending off files to the pressing plant. The pressing company lays the tracks for a test press and determines all the songs won't fit on 3 LPs. 10C and the plant then figure out what to cut to make it work.

If that's true then they just should of just cut out Black, which was the only song from Ten that was played that night, to keep Dead Man on the vinyl press.

I'm only kidding. :P

Santos L. Halper · December 2014

The song in question was not completely recorded due to equipment limitations at the time.

Santos L. Halper · December 2014

paulonious said:

joshpeichoto said:
My guess is 10C probably ran the presale before sending off files to the pressing plant. The pressing company lays the tracks for a test press and determines all the songs won't fit on 3 LPs. 10C and the plant then figure out what to cut to make it work.
in all of the live vinyl sales I've ever seen of any other band, no one else has ever had this issue. My guess is either it was planned from the beginning, or they didn't do their due dilligence (checking track length) before sending it off. either way, and I didn't buy this, it really is laziness and ridiculous. not to mention not giving a shit about those that bought it.

all assumptions in this post are wrong.

Pearl Jam Bellingham 5/10/2000 Vault Show #4 Vinyl PreSale. CD/Digital on sale now! Free Digital D!

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