Michael Brown Shooting
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Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....Merkin Baller said:
He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.
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Ok. But in the interest of thread integrity how about reviving one of the many threads already created by unsung on that very thing?JC29856 said:I will post as many stories about police lying as i can find as long a people will continue to believe what Wilson has said.
As i said previous Wilson made 2 cell phone calls after the shooting that is not found in his interview or his gj testimony. One was made to his friend the chief of police in a neighboring town the other is still unknown.
The civil suit will bring many more things to light. Let's see if Wilson takes the stand since he was so willing to give 4.5 hours of testimony to the grand jury without being cross examined.
Plenty of those to choose from. I and many others would appreciate it. Important enough to stand as its own topic. As is this specific case and how it was handled. It also raises several other items of great import that could split off and stand on their own as well._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Yes, he's dead because he attacked a cop & tried to take his gun. No one is refuting these aspects of the case.catefrances said:
Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....Merkin Baller said:
He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.
Attacking cops & trying to take their guns is not a recipe for a long & healthy life. I don't know what's so hard to understand.0 -
Well being Shot six times while unarmed is that justified?Merkin Baller said:
Yes, he's dead because he attacked a cop & tried to take his gun. No one is refuting these aspects of the case.catefrances said:
Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....Merkin Baller said:
He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.
Attacking cops & trying to take their guns is not a recipe for a long & healthy life. I don't know what's so hard to understand.0 -
Peaceful protest at the local level complain to your local elected officials , write letters send emails make phone calls ...can't just stand by if it happens in your/my town I live across a state trooper really great guy my brother in law retired ny city cop great guy , the good cops should be commended for their commitment but c'mon the cops that overstep their anger should be disciplined accordingly ....i_lov_it said:
I hear where your coming from Jose but what do you suggest People do?josevolution said:Police brutality just has to stop .....these cops need to be in jail just like Wilson should be
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On this great day for Americans to celebrate With friends and family I would like to also say thank you to all the First Responders for keeping us Safe.
Keep up the thankless good work and never doubt yourself or your training when you are in fear for your life, your partners life, or a citizens life. Always Always Always remember it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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I completely agree...That's why seeing on the news here with all the looting and Vandalising and setting Innocent People property on fire is the wrong way to go about it.josevolution said:
Peaceful protest at the local level complain to your local elected officials , write letters send emails make phone calls ...can't just stand by if it happens in your/my town I live across a state trooper really great guy my brother in law retired ny city cop great guy , the good cops should be commended for their commitment but c'mon the cops that overstep their anger should be disciplined accordingly ....i_lov_it said:
I hear where your coming from Jose but what do you suggest People do?josevolution said:Police brutality just has to stop .....these cops need to be in jail just like Wilson should be
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What variety of first responder are you?muskydan said:On this great day for Americans to celebrate With friends and family I would like to also say thank you to all the First Responders for keeping us Safe.
Keep up the thankless good work and never doubt yourself or your training when you are in fear for your life, your partners life, or a citizens life. Always Always Always remember it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
If I heard about an unarmed person being shot six times, my immediate reaction would be to question the cop. But there's more to this story than that. This was a 300 pound person (yes, teenager, but 300lbs nonetheless) who according to some eye witness testimonies was coming back at the cop again after being shot multiple times. I don't think the kid should have ended up dead, but I can't say deadly force wasn't justified either.i_lov_it said:
Well being Shot six times while unarmed is that justified?Merkin Baller said:
Yes, he's dead because he attacked a cop & tried to take his gun. No one is refuting these aspects of the case.catefrances said:
Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....Merkin Baller said:
He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.
Attacking cops & trying to take their guns is not a recipe for a long & healthy life. I don't know what's so hard to understand.
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I am still not convinced he was going for the cops gun. Can you show me the evidence that proves he was?Merkin Baller said:
Yes, he's dead because he attacked a cop & tried to take his gun. No one is refuting these aspects of the case.catefrances said:
Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....Merkin Baller said:
He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.
Attacking cops & trying to take their guns is not a recipe for a long & healthy life. I don't know what's so hard to understand.
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Is there video of Brown stealing from a store? Yes. Is stealing a crime? Yes. Would then committing a crime make you a criminal? Yes.catefrances said:
Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....Merkin Baller said:
He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.
I understand people have different viewpoints but you know the facts and BLATANTLY show your bias by making your comments. You are a defense attorney's dream.0 -
Some people are incredibly biased. They have hatred in their hearts and don't see it.Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.0 -
I was under the impression that DNA evidence supported Wilson's claim that Brown had grabbed his gun. After a few quick checks, I guess I'm mistaken, it was just Wilson's claim that he was going for the gun.dignin said:
I am still not convinced he was going for the cops gun. Can you show me the evidence that proves he was?Merkin Baller said:
Yes, he's dead because he attacked a cop & tried to take his gun. No one is refuting these aspects of the case.catefrances said:
Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....Merkin Baller said:
He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.
Attacking cops & trying to take their guns is not a recipe for a long & healthy life. I don't know what's so hard to understand.
Are you unconvinced that Brown attacked Wilson?0 -
Well you shouldn't attack anyone whether they're a cop or not...But I don't see how that should warrant being shot dead...but then again I wasn't there.Merkin Baller said:
I was under the impression that DNA evidence supported Wilson's claim that Brown had grabbed his gun. After a few quick checks, I guess I'm mistaken, it was just Wilson's claim that he was going for the gun.dignin said:
I am still not convinced he was going for the cops gun. Can you show me the evidence that proves he was?Merkin Baller said:
Yes, he's dead because he attacked a cop & tried to take his gun. No one is refuting these aspects of the case.catefrances said:
Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....Merkin Baller said:
He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.
Attacking cops & trying to take their guns is not a recipe for a long & healthy life. I don't know what's so hard to understand.
Are you unconvinced that Brown attacked Wilson?Post edited by i_lov_it on0 -
Well, a cop has a gun. Attacking someone with a gun would warrant being shot dead.i_lov_it said:
Well you shouldn't attack anyone whether they're a cop or not...But I don't see how that should warrant being shot dead...but then again I wasn't there.Merkin Baller said:
I was under the impression that DNA evidence supported Wilson's claim that Brown had grabbed his gun. After a few quick checks, I guess I'm mistaken, it was just Wilson's claim that he was going for the gun.dignin said:
I am still not convinced he was going for the cops gun. Can you show me the evidence that proves he was?Merkin Baller said:
Yes, he's dead because he attacked a cop & tried to take his gun. No one is refuting these aspects of the case.catefrances said:
Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....Merkin Baller said:
He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.
Attacking cops & trying to take their guns is not a recipe for a long & healthy life. I don't know what's so hard to understand.
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You can't argue with a Gun.bootlegger10 said:
Well, a cop has a gun. Attacking someone with a gun would warrant being shot dead.i_lov_it said:
Well you shouldn't attack anyone whether they're a cop or not...But I don't see how that should warrant being shot dead...but then again I wasn't there.Merkin Baller said:
I was under the impression that DNA evidence supported Wilson's claim that Brown had grabbed his gun. After a few quick checks, I guess I'm mistaken, it was just Wilson's claim that he was going for the gun.dignin said:
I am still not convinced he was going for the cops gun. Can you show me the evidence that proves he was?Merkin Baller said:
Yes, he's dead because he attacked a cop & tried to take his gun. No one is refuting these aspects of the case.catefrances said:
Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....Merkin Baller said:
He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.
Attacking cops & trying to take their guns is not a recipe for a long & healthy life. I don't know what's so hard to understand.
Are you unconvinced that Brown attacked Wilson?0 -
I don't think the kid should be dead. I support all the suggestions I've seen about body cameras, tasers, rubber bullets . . . . . .I love the idea of maximium accountability for police officers, because there are a lot of bad ones out there. Indict the police department for not making non-lethal deterrents mandatory. In this case however, I don't think Wilson belongs behind bars.i_lov_it said:
Well you shouldn't attack anyone whether they're a cop or not...But I don't see how that should warrant being shit dead...but then again I wasn't there.Merkin Baller said:
I was under the impression that DNA evidence supported Wilson's claim that Brown had grabbed his gun. After a few quick checks, I guess I'm mistaken, it was just Wilson's claim that he was going for the gun.dignin said:
I am still not convinced he was going for the cops gun. Can you show me the evidence that proves he was?Merkin Baller said:
Yes, he's dead because he attacked a cop & tried to take his gun. No one is refuting these aspects of the case.catefrances said:
Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....Merkin Baller said:
He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.
Attacking cops & trying to take their guns is not a recipe for a long & healthy life. I don't know what's so hard to understand.
Are you unconvinced that Brown attacked Wilson?
Trayvon Martin, Amadou Diallo, Danroy Henry. . . . those are blatant examples of abuse of authority and excessive force (GZ was not a cop, which is why I did not reference police forces in particular)
I feel differently about the Brown / Wilson situation.
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Really???catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.0 -
Yes and that is why so many have raised questions about the prosecutor. Normally the prosecutor would weed out the more questionable witnesses to get more support for an indictment so that a true trial could come to a true fact based conclusion. That didn't happen here...the prosecutor was on the side of the killer.Merkin Baller said:
Great chart, and great point.Gern Blansten said:http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/26/7295595/eyewitnesses-ferguson-grand-jury
Interesting chart and commentary at link
When asked if Brown had his hands up when being shot at 16 witnesses said yes...2 said no
This chart also has 7 witnesses saying Brown charged (compared to 5 who say he didn't) and 5 witnesses said Brown had his hands at his waist (as opposed to 2 who said he didn't).
Granted the disparity between stories isn't as great as the 16-2, but I still think all these wildly conflicting testimonies paint too cloudy of a picture, at least in my opinion.
That being said I did find the eyewitness accounts from those in vehicles to be pretty solid.
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Digin,you are too smart to still be in denial.The big picture of dis enfranchisement And racial stereotyping is a worthy discussion.But this case and the nonsense that followed is pretty straight forward and backed up by fact and evidence.FYI the floor pops in the Tahoe,browns blood leading away and the first wound to browns hand all answer the question for you.Happy Gobble,Gobbledignin said:
I am still not convinced he was going for the cops gun. Can you show me the evidence that proves he was?Merkin Baller said:
Yes, he's dead because he attacked a cop & tried to take his gun. No one is refuting these aspects of the case.catefrances said:
Criminal behaviour doesn't necessarily equate to being a criminal.... and lets not forget your criminal is dead..... and criminality is legal rhetoric so....Merkin Baller said:
He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior.catefrances said:
How is michael brown a criminal?Merkin Baller said:
Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.
This is not a senseless tragedy.
Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?
He attacked a cop.
Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?
No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.
Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?
I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.
You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.
Attacking cops & trying to take their guns is not a recipe for a long & healthy life. I don't know what's so hard to understand.0
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