Michael Brown Shooting

mickeyrat

I know the burden doesnt require unanimous decision for returning or denying an indictment, but has it been said how the vote went? 9 wh 3 bl grand jurors. Which has been said is a fair distribution% based on population numbers in the county.

gimmesometruth27

dignin said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

On this great day for Americans to celebrate With friends and family I would like to also say thank you to all the First Responders for keeping us Safe.
Keep up the thankless good work and never doubt yourself or your training when you are in fear for your life, your partners life, or a citizens life. Always Always Always remember it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

What variety of first responder are you?

Why do you ask??? So you can ridicule and educate me even more about my profession you knowing squat about It?? No thanks...

Musky, you keep on bringing your job up so I think it's a fair question.

i do too. especially when you constantly bash my city and the people who reside here, and make veiled racist statements about them.

i am asking you what variety of first responder you are.

gimmesometruth27

gimmesometruth27

the above picture is very accurate. the whites live in south city, the poor and the other races live in the north of the city. at this point we are very divided. i have not seen a more appropriate magazine cover in a long time.

gimmesometruth27

i like how most of the evidence has been laid out and is now part of the public record. there is plenty of evidence for a federal civil rights trial or a civil wrongful death trial.

gimmesometruth27

hedonist

JC's gonna love you for that one, gimme

Isn't it possible to be pissed off at both? And actually, I'm not pissed at "poor black folks" or "rich whites on WS"...I'm pissed at anyone who takes what isn't theirs, regardless of method.

Merkin Baller

hedonist said:

JC's gonna love you for that one, gimme

Isn't it possible to be pissed off at both? And actually, I'm not pissed at "poor black folks" or "rich whites on WS"...I'm pissed at anyone who takes what isn't theirs, regardless of method.

+1

JimmyV

hedonist said:

JC's gonna love you for that one, gimme

Isn't it possible to be pissed off at both? And actually, I'm not pissed at "poor black folks" or "rich whites on WS"...I'm pissed at anyone who takes what isn't theirs, regardless of method.

And regardless of color.

benjs

Last-12-Exit said:

What's murky about that? Unprofessional? Yes. Should he be fired? Yes. But it's not murky. Murky would have been if photographs had been taken and somehow disappeared.

Do you think that pictures were not taken on purpose to hide something?

Nope. I think that, regardless of motive, proper protocol was not followed. I don't really care whether the intent was to take photographs or not, what we're left with is an incomplete story as a result of behaviour residing anywhere along the spectrum of incompetence on one side and intent to suppress evidence on the other.

hedonist said:

JC's gonna love you for that one, gimme

Isn't it possible to be pissed off at both? And actually, I'm not pissed at "poor black folks" or "rich whites on WS"...I'm pissed at anyone who takes what isn't theirs, regardless of method.

This is perfectly put. I'd add that, I'm pissed off about a system that distributes power without implementing checks and balances adequately.

Last-12-Exit

I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

lukin2006

Ferguson-like attack in Utah escapes media notice; race bias seen

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?page=all

benjs

Last-12-Exit said:

I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

Here's a definition for the term 'fact': "a thing that is indisputably the case". Guess what? What happened in the cop's words are not indisputably the case: hence they are not facts.

I think you're completely incorrect in assuming that video evidence corroborating his story would be seen as useless. This doesn't have to do with who anyone wants to see thrown in jail, it has to do with proper form in gathering evidence. Proper form involves impartial technology utilized to gather evidence when applicable, instead of relying on people's retelling, when it's a known fact that in a high-stakes situation, people have a tendency to do or say what they feel is best for themselves.

badbrains

I was just wondering but who the fuck runs AT someone who's shooting AT THEM? Isn't that what's being said? That Wilson shot at brown and brown charged at him while he was being shot? That's just crazy.

dignin

hedonist said:

JC's gonna love you for that one, gimme

Isn't it possible to be pissed off at both? And actually, I'm not pissed at "poor black folks" or "rich whites on WS"...I'm pissed at anyone who takes what isn't theirs, regardless of method.

The key to that quote is "more"

dignin

Last-12-Exit said:

I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

That just isn't true.

lukin2006

dignin said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

That just isn't true.

yes it is ... this thread is at 62 pages and I've yet to see a thread started about this http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?page=all

muskydan

mickeyrat said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

On this great day for Americans to celebrate With friends and family I would like to also say thank you to all the First Responders for keeping us Safe.
Keep up the thankless good work and never doubt yourself or your training when you are in fear for your life, your partners life, or a

badbrains said:

I was just wondering but who the fuck runs AT someone who's shooting AT THEM? Isn't that what's being said? That Wilson shot at brown and brown charged at him while he was being shot? That's just crazy.

Ummm, have you ever spent any significant time in a "underprivileged" area before? Have you ever fought for your life or someone else's before? If you answerd yes to those questions then you have your answer.

Am I doing better with my terminology guys by not using Ghetto which I am learning now is a racist word?

To answer the righteous, it should not be too hard to determine what I do for a living...I mean come on guys. I make comments after reading posts that usually vilify the Police and Military.

Hope all are having a delicious Thanksgiving dinner with your families. I just had mine at A Chinnese carry out and about to make a face to face notification that someone's child was killed by a drunk driver out of state early this mourning. Oh yah, he is Afican American just like my partner.
Btw, if I called my partner African American he would bitch slap me.

Have a nice day and all drive safe...tons of drunks out already

benjs

lukin2006 said:

dignin said:

Last-12-Exit said:

I think even if Wilson had a go pro on his chest and that video evidence corroborated every word Wilson said, you guys will still want to see Wilson strung out. Facts and evidence don't mean shit here because apparently they are open to interpretation.

That just isn't true.

yes it is ... this thread is at 62 pages and I've yet to see a thread started about this http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/?page=all

Thank you for posting this... that article is just as relevant to the topic of proper evidence-gathering protocol as the Michael Brown shooting, and I'm embarrassed that I didn't know that it happened. Note that the officer was wearing a body camera - it'll be interesting to see how that changes the investigation.

benjs

muskydan said:

mickeyrat said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

On this great day for Americans to celebrate With friends and family I would like to also say thank you to all the First Responders for keeping us Safe.
Keep up the thankless good work and never doubt yourself or your training when you are in fear for your life, your partners life, or a

badbrains said:

I was just wondering but who the fuck runs AT someone who's shooting AT THEM? Isn't that what's being said? That Wilson shot at brown and brown charged at him while he was being shot? That's just crazy.

Ummm, have you ever spent any significant time in a "underprivileged" area before? Have you ever fought for your life or someone else's before? If you answerd yes to those questions then you have your answer.

Am I doing better with my terminology guys by not using Ghetto which I am learning now is a racist word?

To answer the righteous, it should not be too hard to determine what I do for a living...I mean come on guys. I make comments after reading posts that usually vilify the Police and Military.

Hope all are having a delicious Thanksgiving dinner with your families. I just had mine at A Chinnese carry out and about to make a face to face notification that someone's child was killed by a drunk driver out of state early this mourning. Oh yah, he is Afican American just like my partner.
Btw, if I called my partner African American he would bitch slap me.

Have a nice day and all drive safe...tons of drunks out already

If you called your partner African American as a casual addendum to wrong-doing like you had done here, he'd have been right to.

But that being said, I echo your sentiments in wishing all of my American friends and co-PJ-addicts a safe and healthy Thanksgiving.

On another note, part of one of your sentences got to me: "never doubt yourself or your training". Your full sentence mentioned to never doubt yourself or your training when you are in fear of your or your partner's life, and in those cases, I'd say that it would be wrong to let your doubt dictate your decision if it's counter to your training.

That being said, I'd entirely disagree with "never doubt": in these situations, your doubt is likely rising as a byproduct of doing something you innately feel is of a questionable ethical code. I'd say remember your doubt, act according to your training at the time, and mention your doubt to a superior at a later time. The training of a police or military officer is no more or less absolute than the Bible or Qur'an, and just like the Bible or Qur'an, following it blindly with no concern for the moral/ethical ramifications does not excuse the absence of thought process leading to avoidable negative byproducts. If you bring up your issue, and your superior can't justify why something your training instructed you to do was in fact the right thing to do, he or she owes it to you to seek an answer. If he or she can't give you a good answer, he or she should kindly refrain from asking you to act in that way.

Ignorance isn't bliss, it's just laziness from seeking truth in disguise.