Michael Brown Shooting

JC29856

Nice way of saying the police lied about killing an innocent 12 year old.

Now surveillance video appears to contradict police claims, as it shows the police officer shooting Rice immediately after getting out of a moving patrol car.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/26/police-shooting-of-pre-teen-in-cleveland

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/27/us/video-shows-cleveland-officer-shot-tamir-rice-2-seconds-after-pulling-up-next-to-him.html?smid=nytcore-iphone-share&smprod=nytcore-iphone&_r=0&referrer=

JC29856

There were zero foi requests to release the Brown robbery still images, but they were released.
There were 37 foi requests to release the images of Darren Wilson injuries, but they weren't released.

You think this was purposeful...

For those that haven't followed, police initially said Wilson had no prior knowledge of the store robbery. Police then said that they released the still images of the robbery due to foi demands which turned out to be exactly none.

Picking and choosing what info the public receives to shape public opinion. Sneaky Leaky.

rgambs

JC29856 said:

Nice way of saying the police lied about killing an innocent 12 year old.

Now surveillance video appears to contradict police claims, as it shows the police officer shooting Rice immediately after getting out of a moving patrol car.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/26/police-shooting-of-pre-teen-in-cleveland

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/27/us/video-shows-cleveland-officer-shot-tamir-rice-2-seconds-after-pulling-up-next-to-him.html?smid=nytcore-iphone-share

Quote screwed up, this is my statement below, not JC's.
I find it positively DISGUSTING that this thread blew up with vitriolic comments about the rioters and looters, yet none of them makes a peep when we post about a 12 year old being gunned down by trigger-happy coward THUGS!
Loss of property and small businesses boody-fuckin-hoo how fucking terrible, what lowlife animals they are.
How about loss of a childs life? Doesn't get people riled up so much, I guess it's too uncomfortable.

This isn't wild speculation, the video shows what it shows, just like the Crawford case. MB supporters have been criticized on here for only seeing the things that support their argument...well the door swings both ways and I guess it isn't convenient for the cop lovers to see the evidence of the systemic problem this country has. I am thankful to have the opportunities in life afforded to a WMA, to be away from the poison of city life, and to have my loving family on this Thanksgiving. I wish everyone could be so lucky.

Last-12-Exit

I've been thinking about this as I sit here bored at work. This is directed to the Brown supporters. Do you really think that Wilson committed first or second degree murder? I am having a difficult time understanding the line of thinking. I understand being upset over the fact that a man was killed. But why is it hard to understand that Wilson was defending himself? Would you have rather seen Wilson get a broken nose, or a black eye? Maybe a tooth or two get knocked out? Would it have been ok then?

Why are you trying so hard to find holes in Wilson's story? I'm fine with asking questions. But you are scrutinizing the way he described how hard he was being hit, how many feet did blood drops travel, freedom of information requests, white cops in a black neighborhood and so on. While all of you question the actions of Wilson, none of you have questioned the actions of Brown. Remember, he's was the aggressor in this entire incident. He was the one that just robbed a store. He was the one that was walking in the middle of the road. He was the one that slammed the police car door shut. He was the one the threw the punches. Brown tried to TAKE THE GUN AWAY FROM A POLICE OFFICER. He's the one that after he was shot, turned back, aggressively toward Wilson. These are the facts of this case. Theres is no debating that. Why aren't any of you questioning his actions? The only thing that can be debated in these fact is how you would describe how Brown was walking back towards Wilson.

So after most of us have read the transcript of the GJ testimony do you really think Wilson committed first or second degree murder? First degree is the intentional murder that is willful and premeditated. Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion."

Last-12-Exit

JC29856 said:

Nice way of saying the police lied about killing an innocent 12 year old.

Now surveillance video appears to contradict police claims, as it shows the police officer shooting Rice immediately after getting out of a moving patrol car.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/26/police-shooting-of-pre-teen-in-cleveland

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/27/us/video-shows-cleveland-officer-shot-tamir-rice-2-seconds-after-pulling-up-next-to-him.html?smid=nytcore-iphone-share&smprod=nytcore-iphone&_r=0&referrer=

I haven't dove into this case yet. I ahvent read the police account. I woulkd ask that you start a new thread for this because it I have a feeling that this could be anothe 25+ page thread.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

JC29856 said:

Nice way of saying the police lied about killing an innocent 12 year old.

Now surveillance video appears to contradict police claims, as it shows the police officer shooting Rice immediately after getting out of a moving patrol car.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/26/police-shooting-of-pre-teen-in-cleveland

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/27/us/video-shows-cleveland-officer-shot-tamir-rice-2-seconds-after-pulling-up-next-to-him.html?smid=nytcore-iphone-share&smprod=nytcore-iphone&_r=0&referrer=

I haven't dove into this case yet. I ahvent read the police account. I woulkd ask that you start a new thread for this because it I have a feeling that this could be anothe 25+ page thread.

Doubt it. Too uncomfortable. Also, more importantly, nothing to argue about lol. it's pretty self explanatory with the video being available.

mickeyrat

Last-12-Exit said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

dignin said:

A prominent legal expert eviscerates the Darren Wilson prosecution, in 8 tweets


http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/25/7285265/darren-wilson-grand-jury

A cross examiners dream. Yea, anyone that can keep their cool under pressure could rationally answer those questions. (It's definitely a question weather Wilson could or not). But there were bruises on his head and face. Maybe the guy doesn't bruise easy. Who knows. But to say the lack of bruising doesn't indicate that he wasn't hit hard is not proof of anything.

One thing is for sure: there was bruising on his head and face, which proves he was assaulted.

does not mean he was "hit full force" as his testimony states.

if a man the size of brown hit a smaller man full force, there would be swelling, bruising, potentially a fracture on his face. as someone who works with a hand surgeon, they need to look at brown's hand for a metacarpal fracture. normally, in a fist fight without gloves, metacarpals fracture before the facial bones with a "full force" punch. this is the only way to prove if brown really hit him as hard as wilson alleges.

If you were hit by a man Brown's size, I'd bet you thought you had been hit with full force. You don't have to break bones in your hand to hit somebody hard. Like I said earlier, how can anyone decide that Wilson didn't reasonably think his life was in danger? What matters is that he did. At in the end, the grand jury did. The bruises on his face weren't just a couple of scrapes. In comparison, they were more severe than George Zimmermans injuries. Wilson testified that he was hit with full force. Ok. Prove he wasn't. Because Brown didn't ha e a broken hand?
The bruises on Wilson's face are significant marks. If anyone hit you hard enough to leave that kind of bruise on your cheek, you're going to tell me you wouldn't be fearing for your life?
I know we all want to think we are tough guys and we could handle it.

If you are sitting in the drivers seat, even with your head turned how do you get struck that low and as far back as that on the RIGHT SIDE? Glancing blow at best.

Last-12-Exit

mickeyrat said:

Last-12-Exit said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

dignin said:

A prominent legal expert eviscerates the Darren Wilson prosecution, in 8 tweets


http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/25/7285265/darren-wilson-grand-jury

A cross examiners dream. Yea, anyone that can keep their cool under pressure could rationally answer those questions. (It's definitely a question weather Wilson could or not). But there were bruises on his head and face. Maybe the guy doesn't bruise easy. Who knows. But to say the lack of bruising doesn't indicate that he wasn't hit hard is not proof of anything.

One thing is for sure: there was bruising on his head and face, which proves he was assaulted.

does not mean he was "hit full force" as his testimony states.

if a man the size of brown hit a smaller man full force, there would be swelling, bruising, potentially a fracture on his face. as someone who works with a hand surgeon, they need to look at brown's hand for a metacarpal fracture. normally, in a fist fight without gloves, metacarpals fracture before the facial bones with a "full force" punch. this is the only way to prove if brown really hit him as hard as wilson alleges.

If you were hit by a man Brown's size, I'd bet you thought you had been hit with full force. You don't have to break bones in your hand to hit somebody hard. Like I said earlier, how can anyone decide that Wilson didn't reasonably think his life was in danger? What matters is that he did. At in the end, the grand jury did. The bruises on his face weren't just a couple of scrapes. In comparison, they were more severe than George Zimmermans injuries. Wilson testified that he was hit with full force. Ok. Prove he wasn't. Because Brown didn't ha e a broken hand?
The bruises on Wilson's face are significant marks. If anyone hit you hard enough to leave that kind of bruise on your cheek, you're going to tell me you wouldn't be fearing for your life?
I know we all want to think we are tough guys and we could handle it.

If you are sitting in the drivers seat, even with your head turned how do you get struck that low and as far back as that on the RIGHT SIDE? Glancing blow at best.

He was in an suv. With his head turned, one could connect with a good left hook.

JC29856

Police don't lie, i swear...

Police claimed in their report that they noticed a suspected drug dealer stick a sock in his mouth when he saw them approach, so they had to repeatedly punch him in the face to keep him from choking, even if it did land him in a hospital bed as you can see in the above photo.

They also had to punch him because another cop who was placing the suspect in a chokehold had his arm underneath the suspect, causing the officer intense pain and injury. That cop’s arms are posted below.

They also claimed they had to trip the man’s pregnant wife because they were fearing that she would kick them.

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/11/video-survives-denver-police/

josevolution

Police brutality just has to stop .....these cops need to be in jail just like Wilson should be

Last-12-Exit

I don't know why you posting about other cases in this thread. It's difficult enough keeping up with all of the comments related to Michael Brown. Let alone you talking about and linking from 3 other cases.

JC29856

I will post as many stories about police lying as i can find as long a people will continue to believe what Wilson has said.


As i said previous Wilson made 2 cell phone calls after the shooting that is not found in his interview or his gj testimony. One was made to his friend the chief of police in a neighboring town the other is still unknown.


The civil suit will bring many more things to light. Let's see if Wilson takes the stand since he was so willing to give 4.5 hours of testimony to the grand jury without being cross examined.

josevolution

JC29856 said:

I will post as many stories about police lying as i can find as long a people will continue to believe what Wilson has said.


As i said previous Wilson made 2 cell phone calls after the shooting that is not found in his interview or his gj testimony. One was made to his friend the chief of police in a neighboring town the other is still unknown.


The civil suit will bring many more things to light. Let's see if Wilson takes the stand since he was so willing to give 4.5 hours of testimony to the grand jury without being cross examined.

Last-12-Exit said:

I've been thinking about this as I sit here bored at work. This is directed to the Brown supporters. Do you really think that Wilson committed first or second degree murder? I am having a difficult time understanding the line of thinking. I understand being upset over the fact that a man was killed. But why is it hard to understand that Wilson was defending himself? Would you have rather seen Wilson get a broken nose, or a black eye? Maybe a tooth or two get knocked out? Would it have been ok then?

Why are you trying so hard to find holes in Wilson's story? I'm fine with asking questions. But you are scrutinizing the way he described how hard he was being hit, how many feet did blood drops travel, freedom of information requests, white cops in a black neighborhood and so on. While all of you question the actions of Wilson, none of you have questioned the actions of Brown. Remember, he's was the aggressor in this entire incident. He was the one that just robbed a store. He was the one that was walking in the middle of the road. He was the one that slammed the police car door shut. He was the one the threw the punches. Brown tried to TAKE THE GUN AWAY FROM A POLICE OFFICER. He's the one that after he was shot, turned back, aggressively toward Wilson. These are the facts of this case. Theres is no debating that. Why aren't any of you questioning his actions? The only thing that can be debated in these fact is how you would describe how Brown was walking back towards Wilson.

So after most of us have read the transcript of the GJ testimony do you really think Wilson committed first or second degree murder? First degree is the intentional murder that is willful and premeditated. Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion."

2nd degree

JC29856

Police raid/looting wrong house, disfigure child....no charges.
File under looting, no indictment

http://m.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/no-charges-for-officers-in-botched-drug-raid-that-/nhc2N/

i_lov_it

josevolution said:

Police brutality just has to stop .....these cops need to be in jail just like Wilson should be

I hear where your coming from Jose but what do you suggest People do?

i_lov_it

After seeing this story on the News these last couple of days over here and seeing all the Riots and looting and Vandalising all I think is how ***FERAL*** they're acting...I can understand the anger and the Fustration though.

i_lov_it

Double post people.

Merkin Baller

Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.

This is not a senseless tragedy.

Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?

He attacked a cop.

Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?

No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.

Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?

I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.

You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.

catefrances

Merkin Baller said:

Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.

This is not a senseless tragedy.

Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?

He attacked a cop.

Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?

No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.

Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?

I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.

You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.

How is michael brown a criminal?

Merkin Baller

catefrances said:

Merkin Baller said:

Trayvon Martin was a senseless tragedy, that poor kid did nothing wrong.

This is not a senseless tragedy.

Michael Brown was a criminal who attacked a cop. These facts are indisputable. As someone said earlier in the thread, if he moved to the sidewalk, and let Wilson move along, he would probably be at home getting ready for Thanksgiving w/ his family. Instead he decided to attack a cop.
Why do so many Brown supporters ignore this?

He attacked a cop.

Are there racist cops in this country? Yes. Is police brutality an issue in this country? Yes. Do police lie? Yes. In this case however, there seems to be more than ample evidence that Brown was the aggressor. How can you gloss over that blatant fact?

No one is refuting that this cop was attacked by a kid who had 90lbs on him. A lot of people are questioning Wilson's toughness & injuries....... The kid had 90 f'ing pounds on him and was trying to get his gun. I don't know how you can look at those facts and say his life wasn't in danger.

Should he have waited for Brown to take his gun before he decided his life was in danger?

I'm no police apologist, I know there are a $hit-ton of crooked cops out there, (Wilson may very well be one) but I don't think he was in the wrong here.

You may not have to respect cops (it's clear many of you don't) but you sure as fuck can't go around assaulting them & trying to take their guns. That's not likely to have a good outcome.

How is michael brown a criminal?

He robbed a convenient store. He attacked a cop. This is criminal behavior. Punishable by death? No, but when you attack a cop & try to take his gun, you're putting your life in jeopardy.