Permanent Truce in Gaza?

dancinacrossthewater
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http://news.yahoo.com/long-term-gaza-truce-agreed-israel-palestinians-134216486.html

Let's hope
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Fingers crossed
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    dancinacrossthewater said:

    http://news.yahoo.com/long-term-gaza-truce-agreed-israel-palestinians-134216486.html

    Let's hope

    This brought some tears to my eyes. Please let this be true.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    And also, let's hope that this can now open doors to the discussion on reparations.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • dancinacrossthewater
    dancinacrossthewater Posts: 800
    You can't reduce a country to rubble and not be accountable for helping to rebuild it...I hope
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    dancinacrossthewater,

    Not sure if your comment there was in response to mine, but I was talking about the reparations due for events surrounding Israel's inception (i.e. the Nakba). I assume Hamas would only have accepted a truce condition that involved the immediate reparations necessary.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • dancinacrossthewater
    dancinacrossthewater Posts: 800
    hey benjs,

    let's not argue about how far back the reparations should go right now...not because i'm trying to duck the topic, but because i want to focus on the possible good news we hope to hear today. immediate reparations are a must, for sure. let's see what happens.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    dancinacrossthewater said:

    hey benjs,

    let's not argue about how far back the reparations should go right now...not because i'm trying to duck the topic, but because i want to focus on the possible good news we hope to hear today. immediate reparations are a must, for sure. let's see what happens.

    Totally valid!

    Just the premise of progress is very, very exciting to me. I'm hoping the terms are reasonable, and time will tell.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Well, hopefully this truce will start soon cuz I'm reading Israel is still bombing the shit out of gaza.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    edited August 2014
    badbrains said:

    Well, hopefully this truce will start soon cuz I'm reading Israel is still bombing the shit out of gaza.

    I'm reading that rockets are flying both directions. The issue with Hamas is that it seems to be somewhat decentralized in its resistance, so it's understandable that there could be latency in ceasefire from Gaza into Israel. As for the Israeli rockets entering Gaza - here's hoping once the official statement is made, it will halt entirely. My fingers are crossed too.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • dancinacrossthewater
    dancinacrossthewater Posts: 800
    Often before ceasefires participants in conflicts want to get their 'last shots' in before it officially kicks in. Ridiculous, I know, cuz you just kill more people, but that's the mentality.
  • dancinacrossthewater
    dancinacrossthewater Posts: 800
    supposed to take effect 7pm local time
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    dancinacrossthewater said:

    supposed to take effect 7pm local time

    Isn't it 7 there now? Should be around 9 I think, no?
  • dancinacrossthewater
    dancinacrossthewater Posts: 800
    Yeah good point
  • dancinacrossthewater
    dancinacrossthewater Posts: 800
    Seems real though Israeli officials have started confirming it too
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    badbrains said:

    dancinacrossthewater said:

    supposed to take effect 7pm local time

    Isn't it 7 there now? Should be around 9 I think, no?
    7:30 there right now.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • dancinacrossthewater
    dancinacrossthewater Posts: 800
    http://rt.com/news/182888-gaza-truce-israel-agree/

    yeah, supposed to have taken effect half an hour ago...we'll see if it holds.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    I doubt it. But I suppose anything is possible.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    My inner skeptic thinks this might just be a month's reprieve for those living within Gaza. The conditions haven't changed at all, with both parties agreeing to reconvene to discuss any "complex" issues in a month. Is it just me, or does that sound like a hugely volatile situation?
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    benjs said:

    My inner skeptic thinks this might just be a month's reprieve for those living within Gaza. The conditions haven't changed at all, with both parties agreeing to reconvene to discuss any "complex" issues in a month. Is it just me, or does that sound like a hugely volatile situation?

    100% Ben
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    edited August 2014
    i don't buy it at all.

    as if israel is going to suddenly reverse course and end the blockade that it has fought so desperately via political posturing, on social media, and on the ground in gaza to maintain at all costs.

    plus, gaza's "needs" are highly subjective.

    sorry to piss on the parade. but give it a year and see if anything actually changes in the next 365 days.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."

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