Binaural and No Code vinyl bootlegs

demetrios · June 2014

patrickwieczore said:
They are now for sale on Discogs

They are selling now on eBay as well.

buck502000 · June 2014

I can wait.

youngster · June 2014

Dr. Delight said:
Only a matter of time before 10C steps up. This money is coming right out of their pockets in lost sales. I imagine they will not like that.
Then again, they have waited too long in re-issuing these middle era lp's.

Besides the hard core fans on this site and any casual fans around the world, they won't sell too many re-issue vinyls. I know it's hard for us fans to believe but these albums didn't top the charts when they came out. There's a reason Ten-Vitalogy have had the re-issue treatment. Honestly I think 10c feel they got burned on the VS-Vitalogy release with how many they had left over. They sold for almost half price a few months ago. Unless they go the route of the Vault 3 vinyl- press to order- i don't see them going all out for release of these records. I hope I'm wrong but if I am I think you would have seen them by now.

elvistheking44 · June 2014

youngster said:

Dr. Delight said:
Only a matter of time before 10C steps up. This money is coming right out of their pockets in lost sales. I imagine they will not like that.
Then again, they have waited too long in re-issuing these middle era lp's.
Besides the hard core fans on this site and any casual fans around the world, they won't sell too many re-issue vinyls. I know it's hard for us fans to believe but these albums didn't top the charts when they came out. There's a reason Ten-Vitalogy have had the re-issue treatment. Honestly I think 10c feel they got burned on the VS-Vitalogy release with how many they had left over. They sold for almost half price a few months ago. Unless they go the route of the Vault 3 vinyl- press to order- i don't see them going all out for release of these records. I hope I'm wrong but if I am I think you would have seen them by now.

Your common sense has no place here!!!

veddertown · June 2014

youngster said:

Dr. Delight said:
Only a matter of time before 10C steps up. This money is coming right out of their pockets in lost sales. I imagine they will not like that.
Then again, they have waited too long in re-issuing these middle era lp's.
Besides the hard core fans on this site and any casual fans around the world, they won't sell too many re-issue vinyls. I know it's hard for us fans to believe but these albums didn't top the charts when they came out. There's a reason Ten-Vitalogy have had the re-issue treatment. Honestly I think 10c feel they got burned on the VS-Vitalogy release with how many they had left over. They sold for almost half price a few months ago. Unless they go the route of the Vault 3 vinyl- press to order- i don't see them going all out for release of these records. I hope I'm wrong but if I am I think you would have seen them by now.

Absolutely. I can't see Sony ploughing bucketloads of money into albums that sold pretty poorly compared with the first three. On here people think of PJ as being massive but realistically they are a band who have watched album and ticket sales decrease steadily over recent years and although vinyl sales are climbing it is still a small market compared with digital formats. We probably won't see these albums filling record store shelves like we did for Ten, Vs and Vitalogy.

Patrick_Sea3 · June 2014

There will probably coke bottle vitalogy and Vs. before any others releases.

hrd2imgn · June 2014

bone said:
They seem just so backwards that a band that pushed so hard for vinyl's resurgence hasn't actually capitalized on it.

then they couldn't keep up artificial demand and create rarities like Benaroya to sell on ebay (albeit for great causes) Amazing how something numbered to 2000 has all these specially numbered ones as well. So how many did they really print?

I know they don't want to sit on inventory, so why not take pre-paid pre-orders for a month so people who want them can get as many as they please. I agree 100% for a Vinyl loving and promoting band they sure do a good job of not making enough forcing fans to pay outrageous prices for vinyls. I wonder if they have shell names on e-bay and are just selling their old inventory under 50 surnames.......

DewieCox · June 2014

hrd2imgn said:

I know they don't want to sit on inventory, so why not take pre-paid pre-orders for a month so people who want them can get as many as they please.

Yep, only I think they should use the presale to get a better estimate on potential. The biggest drawback would be that for standard studio albums I think we'd be waiting awhile for the pressing compared to niche releases like Vault or the stuff that Jack White puts out with Thirdman.

lolobugg · June 2014

Speaking of Jack White.... did you see where he broke PJ Vitalogy vinyl first week sales record?

Bergfall · June 2014

Shocked that 10C still have so many adament supporters....what have 10C/PJ done for vinyl enthusiasts other than f*ck them??? They know very, very, very well what happens when limited wax appears for a few hours then is never to be seen again here in the shop....a mail, a plan, a sense that they gave a shit that a few people flip these for heavy profit have maybe just gotten PJ vinyl eczema or the likes....

10C may be a club of sorts, but the fans just stand around blowing

Mdeanseattle · June 2014

I don't feel f*#%#* . I haven't come across ukulele album or last years vault vinyl in a bootleg. I have a feeling any more re issue will wait till the pono player comes out. And next year is PJ 25.
You MAY see a complete box vinyl set of all albums and the Wrigley Field as a pre purchase blu ray.

Bergfall said:
Shocked that 10C still have so many adament supporters....what have 10C/PJ done for vinyl enthusiasts other than f*ck them??? They know very, very, very well what happens when limited wax appears for a few hours then is never to be seen again here in the shop....a mail, a plan, a sense that they gave a shit that a few people flip these for heavy profit have maybe just gotten PJ vinyl eczema or the likes....

10C may be a club of sorts, but the fans just stand around blowing

Patrick_Sea3 · June 2014

Received both today

KC2917 · June 2014

hrd2imgn said:

bone said:
They seem just so backwards that a band that pushed so hard for vinyl's resurgence hasn't actually capitalized on it.
then they couldn't keep up artificial demand and create rarities like Benaroya to sell on ebay (albeit for great causes) Amazing how something numbered to 2000 has all these specially numbered ones as well. So how many did they really print?

I know they don't want to sit on inventory, so why not take pre-paid pre-orders for a month so people who want them can get as many as they please. I agree 100% for a Vinyl loving and promoting band they sure do a good job of not making enough forcing fans to pay outrageous prices for vinyls. I wonder if they have shell names on e-bay and are just selling their old inventory under 50 surnames.......

To your comment about them not making enough vinyl... None of their albums were ever hard to buy when first released. They pressed plenty to meet the demand at the time. It's not really fair to blame the band for people jumping on the vinyl bandwagon years later.

Spags · June 2014

But there is a vinyl revival happening, Pearl Jam are being shortsighted not rereleasing records during this period.

demetrios · June 2014

The orange one looks pretty cool.
Not mine but a friends sweet snapshots!

PJ_Soul · June 2014

Guy Dudebro said:
I don't support my local flipper either because I don't buy into the hype. It's odd how people justify buying counterfeit records because the band won't reissue them. Wow, the entitlement. The reissues might not even be a band issue. It might be a band/label issue. It might be case where they get their masters back after a certain amount of years like a lot of bands or might have to buy their back catalog back like Metallica did. Who knows what their contracts are. The bottom line is buying counterfeit products supports nothing but thieves. I don't support thieves.

Pretty sure PJ can reissue if they want to but are choosing to hold off for now for whatever reason. But anyway, I totally agree with you. These are illegal counterfeits and the people who make them are stealing from the band we proclaim to love, yet people aren't hesitating to buy them. It's pretty low. Yez, i know people want the albuMs on vinyl and don't want to.wait for the reissues... but that shouldn't make anyone feel justified in participating in theft from Pearl Jam. Everyone should stop buying these things. I'm actually surprised how open people are being about it on 10C's boards and that the 10c mods haven't said anything.... maybe they and the band don't really care. Fair enough. That still doesn't make it right to be a part of the illegal counterfeit industry - one that truly does hurt artists...... Oh but yeah, who cares about any of that if you can save some money, right?! :-q

I'm not trying to be a dick btw. I know some wonderful people buy these things.... but I do hope people stop and think about this issue and make the decision not to buy any more of them.

djmikeyz28 · June 2014

PJ_Soul said:

Guy Dudebro said:
I don't support my local flipper either because I don't buy into the hype. It's odd how people justify buying counterfeit records because the band won't reissue them. Wow, the entitlement. The reissues might not even be a band issue. It might be a band/label issue. It might be case where they get their masters back after a certain amount of years like a lot of bands or might have to buy their back catalog back like Metallica did. Who knows what their contracts are. The bottom line is buying counterfeit products supports nothing but thieves. I don't support thieves.

Pretty sure PJ can reissue if they want to but are choosing to hold off for now for whatever reason. But anyway, I totally agree with you. These are illegal counterfeits and the people who make them are stealing from the band we proclaim to love, yet people aren't hesitating to buy them. It's pretty low. Yez, i know people want the albuMs on vinyl and don't want to.wait for the reissues... but that shouldn't make anyone feel justified in participating in theft from Pearl Jam. Everyone should stop buying these things. I'm actually surprised how open people are being about it on 10C's boards and that the 10c mods haven't said anything.... maybe they and the band don't really care. Fair enough. That still doesn't make it right to be a part of the illegal counterfeit industry - one that truly does hurt artists...... Oh but yeah, who cares about any of that if you can save some money, right?! :-q

I'm not trying to be a dick btw. I know some wonderful people buy these things.... but I do hope people stop and think about this issue and make the decision not to buy any more of them.

You couldn't be more wrong about this if you tried. The only outlet to purchase "official" vinyl of most of Pearl Jam's releases is the secondary market. So buying bootlegs doesn't effect the band in the least. It hurts secondary sellers. Either way the same amount goes to the band: 0.

Someday there will be reissues of all of the studio albums. And that will drive down the value of the original pressings, and completely kill the value of the bootlegs. And anyone that's a serious vinyl lover/collector will buy the reissue regardless of whether or not they already have a bootleg copy.

As far as I can tell, the only people that have an interest in keeping the bootlegs away are the collectors that are more concerned with the value of their collection than they are with people being able to enjoy the music.

PJ_Soul · June 2014

djmikeyz28 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Guy Dudebro said:
I don't support my local flipper either because I don't buy into the hype. It's odd how people justify buying counterfeit records because the band won't reissue them. Wow, the entitlement. The reissues might not even be a band issue. It might be a band/label issue. It might be case where they get their masters back after a certain amount of years like a lot of bands or might have to buy their back catalog back like Metallica did. Who knows what their contracts are. The bottom line is buying counterfeit products supports nothing but thieves. I don't support thieves.

Pretty sure PJ can reissue if they want to but are choosing to hold off for now for whatever reason. But anyway, I totally agree with you. These are illegal counterfeits and the people who make them are stealing from the band we proclaim to love, yet people aren't hesitating to buy them. It's pretty low. Yez, i know people want the albuMs on vinyl and don't want to.wait for the reissues... but that shouldn't make anyone feel justified in participating in theft from Pearl Jam. Everyone should stop buying these things. I'm actually surprised how open people are being about it on 10C's boards and that the 10c mods haven't said anything.... maybe they and the band don't really care. Fair enough. That still doesn't make it right to be a part of the illegal counterfeit industry - one that truly does hurt artists...... Oh but yeah, who cares about any of that if you can save some money, right?! :-q

I'm not trying to be a dick btw. I know some wonderful people buy these things.... but I do hope people stop and think about this issue and make the decision not to buy any more of them.
You couldn't be more wrong about this if you tried. The only outlet to purchase "official" vinyl of most of Pearl Jam's releases is the secondary market. So buying bootlegs doesn't effect the band in the least. It hurts secondary sellers. Either way the same amount goes to the band: 0.

Someday there will be reissues of all of the studio albums. And that will drive down the value of the original pressings, and completely kill the value of the bootlegs. And anyone that's a serious vinyl lover/collector will buy the reissue regardless of whether or not they already have a bootleg copy.

As far as I can tell, the only people that have an interest in keeping the bootlegs away are the collectors that are more concerned with the value of their collection than they are with people being able to enjoy the music.

I am not saying that it hurts PJ financially (it can hurt some artists that way though). I am talking about the theft of their work. Not everything is about money.

I couldn't care less about the money value of my records. I play them, in don't sell them. Again, not everything is about money. I don't like people stealing other people's art to make a buck. It's about right and wrong, not to mention the law.

Guy Dudebro · June 2014

djmikeyz28 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Guy Dudebro said:
I don't support my local flipper either because don't buy into the hype. It's odd how people justify buying counterfeit records because the band won't reissue them. Wow, the entitlement. The reissues might not even be a band issue. It might be a band/label issue. It might be case where they get their masters back after a certain amount of years like a lot of bands or might have to buy their back catalog back like Metallica did. Who knows what their contracts are. The bottom line is buying counterfeit products supports nothing but thieves. I don

You couldn't be more wrong about this if you tried. The only outlet to purchase "official" vinyl of most of Pearl Jam's releases is the secondary market. So buying bootlegs doesn't effect the band in the least. It hurts secondary sellers. Either way the same amount goes to the band: 0.

Someday there will be reissues of all of the studio albums. And that will drive down the value of the original pressings, and completely kill the value of the bootlegs. And anyone that's a serious vinyl lover/collector will buy the reissue regardless of whether or not they already have a bootleg copy.

As far as I can tell, the only people that have an interest in keeping the bootlegs away are the collectors that are more concerned with the value of their collection than they are with people being able to enjoy the music.
Ummmmm....... yeah. You do realize once you purchase a counterfeit copy of Avocado that you are no closer to owning a real copy of Avocado right? All you are getting is an imitation piece of shit. And to make it all the better, the money you spent has gone toward a criminal element. I'm not just being dramatic, those are facts. People can say all they want about how counterfeiting doesn't hurt anybody. It does. Just like illegal downloading doesn't hurt anybody right? It does. It wiped out a whole industry and a ton of jobs to go with it. Labels, raw material suppliers, distibutors, retailers; it's a long list. As I stated in the other thread about these counterfeits, it's not just a few PJ and EV records. There is a TON of counterfeited records being pressed. It's a giant underground industry and that money isn't going anywhere good. There's no arguing that. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to fire up the inkjet and make some Sao Paulo stickers because they're quite expensive on the secondary market and Pearl Jam is fucking me because they refuse to make some more available to us self entitled sticker collectors. They're going to be similar to the originals, but still not original, so I'm only going to charge $20 each for them. No harm in that.

mwplum · June 2014

I'm sure 95% of the people buying these now at a fraction of the market value (eg. Yield at $30 vs. $500), will gladly buy officials when they come out. The issue appears to be clear; that the majority of people who have rediscovered vinyl simply do not have $500 to shell out for each record.

As much as the merits can be argued back for forth for/and against, at the end of the day, I really just see this as progress.

Back in the day, prior to the band issuing live bootlegs from each show, there used to be all sorts of unauthorized CDs floating around out there. I recall picking up one such CD, No Fucking Messiah, a mix of live stuff from Atlanta, SNL, and other shows for like $45 (yes, for a CD) at a record store in Bellingham around 1995. It was awesome, as it expanded my PJ appreciation, opening me up to songs like Crazy Mary, and I've got a Feelin. Once enough unauthorized random CDs came out, the band started issuing live recordings from each show. Perhaps these bootlegs can do the same, motivate the band/management to put out some official re-issues.

At preset, there's a whole section of fans salivating over the possibility of re-issues. The argument against seems to be that the band doesn't want to get stuck with extra inventory. So yes, sell it like Vault 3 was sold (orders in advance), and problem is solved (for the most part).

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