The Avocado/Yield bootlegs I got were decent. Sound probably wasn't as good as the original vinyl and each record had an imperfection that caused skipping.but overall not a bad purchase.
so bootleg vinyl that has subpar sound and skips is a good purchase nowadays?
The Avocado/Yield bootlegs I got were decent. Sound probably wasn't as good as the original vinyl and each record had an imperfection that caused skipping.but overall not a bad purchase.
so bootleg vinyl that has subpar sound and skips is a good purchase nowadays?
Absolutely! And the counterfeiters donate all the proceeds to the local Boys Club.
The Avocado/Yield bootlegs I got were decent. Sound probably wasn't as good as the original vinyl and each record had an imperfection that caused skipping.but overall not a bad purchase.
so bootleg vinyl that has subpar sound and skips is a good purchase nowadays?
I should have mentioned I am a vinyl collector, not an audiophile elitist. I listen to my vinyl once and then store them away. CDs and digital files are much easier to listen, and vinyl doesn't really sound any better, no matter what anyone says.
The Avocado/Yield bootlegs I got were decent. Sound probably wasn't as good as the original vinyl and each record had an imperfection that caused skipping.but overall not a bad purchase.
so bootleg vinyl that has subpar sound and skips is a good purchase nowadays?
I should have mentioned I am a vinyl collector, not an audiophile elitist. I listen to my vinyl once and then store them away. CDs and digital files are much easier to listen, and vinyl doesn't really sound any better, no matter what anyone says.
so if i pressed a shit sounding, defective bootleg backspacer LP on purple wax you would buy it from me and call it a good purchase?
i am not judging, just surprised at how far "collecting" is going... (i.e. people willing to buy bootleg vinyl pressed by whoever that sounds like shit just to say they have it)
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
If I can buy an album I love for $30 instead of $300 and enjoy spinning it, where's the harm?
I buy original Avocado off eBay for $300 -> Members of Pearl Jam get $0
I buy a bootleg of Avocado for $30 -> Members of Pearl Jam get $0
As long as there aren't official represses available for purchase, I don't see what the argument AGAINST bootleg pressing is.
Bring on the inexpensive, high quality bootlegs! :ar!
Chicago-United Center 6/18/2003
Chicago-United Center 5/17/2006
Chicago-United Center 8/24/2009
Ed Solo Chicago-Chicago Theatre 6/29/2011
PJ20-Alpine Valley 9/3/2011 + 9/4/2011
Chicago-Wrigley 7/19/2013
Stay away from these bootlegs because the band gets zero for their hard work and they are probably just made using the cd as the source. Waste of money IMO
Those are definitely the two biggest reasons to not buy the bootlegs. I spent a lot of money on the real albums, but I don't regret it. It's unfortunate that they are an exclusive thing, but hopefully that will end soon with proper reissues.
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wow, i didn't know that there are vinyl bootlegs around.... how can you tell the difference? are the covers different or does it say "unofficial" or something?
I don't see the harm myself. Who can afford or wants to pay ridiculous amounts for half of PJ's studio albums because they or Sony haven't taken steps to reissue them yet? Like many people here I now own the blue Avocado and the white marbled Yield and Ukulele Songs and have no complaints with any of them. They have been reproduced to quite a high standard and they sound really good to my ears at least. I have had contact with a Discogs seller and agreed to buy these new boots because I don't think as a family man I can justify paying hundreds for a handful of albums that I'm picking up for a €30 average. I want these to at least keep my collection complete until such day the albums are officially re-released and then I'll buy those too. Bring on Riot Act, Live On Two Legs and Lost Dogs now. I do understand the moral issue here too. These people shouldn't be getting paid for reproducing someone else's art but I'm afraid they just make it so damn hard to ignore.
Like a book among the many on a shelf...
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
The Avocado/Yield bootlegs I got were decent. Sound probably wasn't as good as the original vinyl and each record had an imperfection that caused skipping.but overall not a bad purchase.
so bootleg vinyl that has subpar sound and skips is a good purchase nowadays?
I should have mentioned I am a vinyl collector, not an audiophile elitist. I listen to my vinyl once and then store them away. CDs and digital files are much easier to listen, and vinyl doesn't really sound any better, no matter what anyone says.
so if i pressed a shit sounding, defective bootleg backspacer LP on purple wax you would buy it from me and call it a good purchase?
i am not judging, just surprised at how far "collecting" is going... (i.e. people willing to buy bootleg vinyl pressed by whoever that sounds like shit just to say they have it)
I can sort of understand those buying the bootleg Yield and Avocado because they don't have the originals, though I have heard conflicting opinions about the quality. What I can't understand is those who already own the originals then go buy the fakes just cos it's different coloured vinyl. I guess some just like to throw money away.
2000: Manchester
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes 2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
On the one hand, I hope you are right. On the other hand, if it's not a direct duplicate of the vinyl mastering, I don't think I want.
Can't say for sure about Benny, but I'm pretty sure Lightning Bolt is the first PJ album to get a vinyl specific mastering job. The only differences to previous albums are those inherent to the format.
On the one hand, I hope you are right. On the other hand, if it's not a direct duplicate of the vinyl mastering, I don't think I want.
Can't say for sure about Benny, but I'm pretty sure Lightning Bolt is the first PJ album to get a vinyl specific mastering job. The only differences to previous albums are those inherent to the format.
I didn't know that. I held off buying LB till the second pressing was out and haven't gotten around to it. Now I am excited to buy it. The CD version of LB sounds like total shit to me.
Also I think the Vault 3 was mastered for vinyl but I could be wrong. Sounds amazing almost too much low end on some songs. And Drop in the Park that was part of the Ten Deluxe sounds great on wax compared to the Remix and Remastered versions of Ten. I wouldn't waste my money on buying them alone. That's why I have never purchased the Vitalogy/Vs boxset.
One day I am going to open up my originals and spin them. I have kept them sealed for some reason all these years and i am afraid they are starting to get rings on the jackets. I know Yield and Live on 2 Legs are looking a little rough.
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
On the one hand, I hope you are right. On the other hand, if it's not a direct duplicate of the vinyl mastering, I don't think I want.
Can't say for sure about Benny, but I'm pretty sure Lightning Bolt is the first PJ album to get a vinyl specific mastering job. The only differences to previous albums are those inherent to the format.
Backspacer vinyl was also mastered by Johnny Golden if memory serves. Also, due to the limitations of vinyl, my understanding is that anything that comes out on it has a vinyl specific mastering. Some just tend to depart more from the CD than others.
10/31/93 Berkeley (Baba!), 10/1/94 Bridge School, 9/16/96 Seattle (In My Tree!), 10/19/96 & 10/20/96 B. School (Alt Corduroy & Alt Porch!), 10/25/03 B. School, 6/1/03 Mtnview (Crazy Mary! You Are!), 11/29/13 Portland (All Those Yesterdays! Even Flow!), 10/25/14 Bridge School (Rain! Fuckin Up! TOTD!), 5/13/22 Oakland (W.M.A.! Immortality!)
I can sort of understand those buying the bootleg Yield and Avocado because they don't have the originals, though I have heard conflicting opinions about the quality. What I can't understand is those who already own the originals then go buy the fakes just cos it's different coloured vinyl. I guess some just like to throw money away. ^Boyo79
I am seeing $100+ for these albums! Just buy the original if you're going to pay that much. I do wonder if new vinyl collectors think that they are stumbling upon something rare?
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
I can sort of understand those buying the bootleg Yield and Avocado because they don't have the originals, though I have heard conflicting opinions about the quality. What I can't understand is those who already own the originals then go buy the fakes just cos it's different coloured vinyl. I guess some just like to throw money away.
Some people like colored vinyl. Not really throwing money away when I could probably sell them on eBay for more than I paid for them, but never plan on doing so.
Eels Beautiful Freak LP was fetching big bucks on ebay when it was out of print then a few months ago a bootleg appeared. Later this month it is getting a standard 180g reissue, could quite see this happening with PJ LPs. It happened with the ITW lp as well. The only downside will be the value of my originals plummeting and no deluxe boxsets for those who have the originals and want something extra. Once they are reissued there will be tons sitting around unsold. To avoid pressing too many Sony should press to order through 10 club.
I think if you're desperately seeking these hard to find/afford albums then these boots are great if you can pick them up quite cheap. I think I'll have paid once I get these new ones, around €120 for No Code, Yield, Binaural, Avocado and Ukulele Songs. An original Binaural costs double that and you might get No Code for about that. Once these PJ albums are officially re-released and I buy them all I'll probably still be looking at a combined price of an Avocado or Binaural at current prices. I wouldn't be buying these boots if I had the originals in my collection.
Like a book among the many on a shelf...
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
I think if you're desperately seeking these hard to find/afford albums then these boots are great if you can pick them up quite cheap. I think I'll have paid once I get these new ones, around €120 for No Code, Yield, Binaural, Avocado and Ukulele Songs. An original Binaural costs double that and you might get No Code for about that. Once these PJ albums are officially re-released and I buy them all I'll probably still be looking at a combined price of an Avocado or Binaural at current prices. I wouldn't be buying these boots if I had the originals in my collection.
But they're not the same thing. Sure, it's a bargain, but your best hope is that it's a decent copy of the CD cut onto vinyl. The whole reason most of us vinyl listeners appreciate vinyl is that it is NOT that.
10/31/93 Berkeley (Baba!), 10/1/94 Bridge School, 9/16/96 Seattle (In My Tree!), 10/19/96 & 10/20/96 B. School (Alt Corduroy & Alt Porch!), 10/25/03 B. School, 6/1/03 Mtnview (Crazy Mary! You Are!), 11/29/13 Portland (All Those Yesterdays! Even Flow!), 10/25/14 Bridge School (Rain! Fuckin Up! TOTD!), 5/13/22 Oakland (W.M.A.! Immortality!)
For me doesn't matter If reissuing albums is a lucrative venture for them or not. Bugs me some are stealing their songs to make money. I won't be purchasing but sure hope I can get official copies of some of their albums one day. Yield, Lost Dogs and Riot act.
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i am not judging, just surprised at how far "collecting" is going... (i.e. people willing to buy bootleg vinyl pressed by whoever that sounds like shit just to say they have it)
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1995- New Orleans, LA : New Orleans, LA
1996- Charleston, SC
1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
I buy original Avocado off eBay for $300 -> Members of Pearl Jam get $0
I buy a bootleg of Avocado for $30 -> Members of Pearl Jam get $0
As long as there aren't official represses available for purchase, I don't see what the argument AGAINST bootleg pressing is.
Bring on the inexpensive, high quality bootlegs! :ar!
Chicago-United Center 5/17/2006
Chicago-United Center 8/24/2009
Ed Solo Chicago-Chicago Theatre 6/29/2011
PJ20-Alpine Valley 9/3/2011 + 9/4/2011
Chicago-Wrigley 7/19/2013
When the record was originally made the band did get paid for it.
This new version is 1) Illegally made and 2) Not one cent goes to the band 3) this version will be inferior to the original.
I do get why people want them though, just like I understand why people buy things from Walmart...
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes
2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
Bootleg Reviews: http://pjbootlegreviews.blogspot.com/
Staying out of the argument however. To each his own.
Also I think the Vault 3 was mastered for vinyl but I could be wrong. Sounds amazing almost too much low end on some songs. And Drop in the Park that was part of the Ten Deluxe sounds great on wax compared to the Remix and Remastered versions of Ten. I wouldn't waste my money on buying them alone. That's why I have never purchased the Vitalogy/Vs boxset.
One day I am going to open up my originals and spin them. I have kept them sealed for some reason all these years and i am afraid they are starting to get rings on the jackets. I know Yield and Live on 2 Legs are looking a little rough.
livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=446
1995- New Orleans, LA : New Orleans, LA
1996- Charleston, SC
1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
I can sort of understand those buying the bootleg Yield and Avocado because they don't have the originals, though I have heard conflicting opinions about the quality. What I can't understand is those who already own the originals then go buy the fakes just cos it's different coloured vinyl. I guess some just like to throw money away.
^Boyo79
I am seeing $100+ for these albums! Just buy the original if you're going to pay that much.
I do wonder if new vinyl collectors think that they are stumbling upon something rare?
I would just save up and get the original
livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=446
1995- New Orleans, LA : New Orleans, LA
1996- Charleston, SC
1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
quite see this happening with PJ LPs. It happened with the ITW lp as well. The only downside will be the value of my originals plummeting and no deluxe boxsets for those who have the originals and want something extra. Once they are reissued there will be tons sitting around unsold. To avoid pressing too many Sony should press to order through 10 club.
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
2003-05-30 - Vancouver, BC, General Motors Place
2005-09-04 - Calgary, AB, Pengrowth Saddledome
2005-09-05 - Edmonton, AB, Rexall Place
2009-08-08 - Calgary, AB, Canada Olympic Park
2009-09-21 - Seattle, WA, Key Arena
2009-09-22 - Seattle, WA, Key Arena
2011-09-23 - Edmonton, AB, Rexall Place
2013-11-30 - Spokane, WA, Spokane Arena
Fuck the bootlegs!
Come on pj please fill this need.