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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    I highly doubt this plane is anywhere but at the bottom of an ocean. Stealing a plane is one thing, kidnapping/murdering 200+ people another. Kind of a hard thing to keep secret for this long, it goes well beyond common sense.

    To say there is no legitimate intelligence of a crash is disingenuous, there is apparently radar/satellite evidence that leads the experts to believe that the planes last location was where they are now searching.

    But I will admit there is no concrete evidence that is where it crashed....yet.

    It's easy to look to some conspiracy or almost supernatural event to try to explain the unexplainable but that would be far to premature.

    I'm sure with time, most, if not all will be explained.

    The two things I have learned from this story so far is, 1- There are a lot of satellites up there and 2- There is a shit load of garbage in our oceans.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    dignin said:

    I highly doubt this plane is anywhere but at the bottom of an ocean. Stealing a plane is one thing, kidnapping/murdering 200+ people another. Kind of a hard thing to keep secret for this long, it goes well beyond common sense.

    To say there is no legitimate intelligence of a crash is disingenuous, there is apparently radar/satellite evidence that leads the experts to believe that the planes last location was where they are now searching.

    But I will admit there is no concrete evidence that is where it crashed....yet.

    It's easy to look to some conspiracy or almost supernatural event to try to explain the unexplainable but that would be far to premature.

    I'm sure with time, most, if not all will be explained.

    The two things I have learned from this story so far is, 1- There are a lot of satellites up there and 2- There is a shit load of garbage in our oceans.

    For sure!

    A few nights ago we watched that space movie, Gravity and, ok, throw bean bags at me for saying this, but I thought that was one lame movie, but I really liked the idea of all those satellites busting up in space and falling and burning through the atmosphere. But alas, we would just blast more shit into orbit and besides much the wreckage would remain in orbit circling as space trash. Good God, do we know how to trash a planet or what!?

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  • even flow - question mark
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    lukin2006 said:

    polaris_x said:

    will they actually ever find debris!? ... i mean how many different satellite imagery did they show and yet no debris? ... whole thing is kind of fucked up ...

    If they are correct and the plane went down in this part of the Ocean then maybe not. Expert sailors have said "those Ocean waters are like hell". Some have said any debris spotted on sat can travel several hundred km's by the time they get there to search. Even if they find debris I doubt it'll even be the crash site, so my guess would be that this plane could likely be at the ocean floor for eternity.

    Some questions I have

    -how did this plane get so far off course and no message's sent? not a text message, an email, nothing from the cockpit? surely passengers must have known? could this plan have had a total system failure ... hypoxia? That still doesn't explain being so far off course.

    -why are pilots allowed to switch off the tracking device? must be a reason?

    -an aircraft that large just essentially disappeared?

    this is strange to say the least.




    Explain to me in the dead of night, looking out your window at a black ocean that as a passanger you'd know that something was wrong. I have asked a few people who have taken night flights as I have and they really had not answer for me except for "good question". And I'm still waiting.........

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  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    And if all the passangers were knocked out on purpose, like being put out for an operation, that would explain the phones that would ring and not get answered for a few hours while the baby ran out of gas and dropped.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    why must alternative theories be labeled conspiracy!?? ... i am finding it hard to believe the official story not because i don't want to believe it ... it's because all the "evidence" i've been given doesn't point to it ... it's called critical thinking ...

    i wish people would stop trying to marginalize people with a different viewpoint ... if the plane is indeed crashed in the indian ocean and we have proof ... i would easily accept that ... it's just right now - nothing adds up ... it's like the WM3 case ... everyone wanted to believe it was the WM3 but nothing really added up there either ...
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Telegraph UK: Transcript of Tower Communications - Plane Stolen?
    Analysts said the sequence of messages appeared “perfectly routine”. However two features, they said, stood out as potentially odd.

    The first was a message from the cockpit at 1.07am, saying the plane was flying at 35,000ft. This was unnecessary as it repeated a message delivered six minutes earlier.

    But it occurred at a crucial moment: it was at 1.07am that the plane’s Acars signalling device sent its last message before being disabled some time in the next 30 minutes, apparently deliberately. A separate transponder was disabled at 1.21am but investigators believe the Acars was shut down before Hamid’s final, 1.19am farewell.

    The other odd feature, one reason for suspicions that the plane’s disappearance was no accident, was that its loss of communication and subsequent sharp turn west occurred at the handover from air traffic controllers in Kuala Lumpur to those in Ho Chi Minh City.

    “If I was going to steal the aeroplane, that would be the point I would do it,” said Stephen Buzdygan, a former British Airways pilot who flew 777s.

    “There might be a bit of dead space between the air traffic controllers … It was the only time during the flight they would maybe not have been able to be seen from the ground.”
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    polaris_x said:

    why must alternative theories be labeled conspiracy!?? ... i am finding it hard to believe the official story not because i don't want to believe it ... it's because all the "evidence" i've been given doesn't point to it ... it's called critical thinking ...

    i wish people would stop trying to marginalize people with a different viewpoint ... if the plane is indeed crashed in the indian ocean and we have proof ... i would easily accept that ... it's just right now - nothing adds up ... it's like the WM3 case ... everyone wanted to believe it was the WM3 but nothing really added up there either ...

    Just remember it was wild theories and peoples imaginations that got WM3 convicted in the first place. So I don't think you want to use that comparison.

    I'm sure the WM3 would have rather had the facts of the case speak for themselves than wild conjecture.

  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,297
    My guess is that the most obvious event happened ... a man-made tube flying thousands of feet in the air had something go wrong (either attempted hijack or mechanical failure) and gravity took over.

    Or maybe CNN was right about the black hole.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    dignin said:

    polaris_x said:

    why must alternative theories be labeled conspiracy!?? ... i am finding it hard to believe the official story not because i don't want to believe it ... it's because all the "evidence" i've been given doesn't point to it ... it's called critical thinking ...

    i wish people would stop trying to marginalize people with a different viewpoint ... if the plane is indeed crashed in the indian ocean and we have proof ... i would easily accept that ... it's just right now - nothing adds up ... it's like the WM3 case ... everyone wanted to believe it was the WM3 but nothing really added up there either ...

    Just remember it was wild theories and peoples imaginations that got WM3 convicted in the first place. So I don't think you want to use that comparison.

    I'm sure the WM3 would have rather had the facts of the case speak for themselves than wild conjecture.

    no ... they were railroaded by the justice system ... and most believed it ... in any case - all i'm saying is that there is not unreasonable to have an alternative theory to what is being fed to us ... when you look at the evidence that is agreed upon ...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    brianlux said:

    dignin said:

    I highly doubt this plane is anywhere but at the bottom of an ocean. Stealing a plane is one thing, kidnapping/murdering 200+ people another. Kind of a hard thing to keep secret for this long, it goes well beyond common sense.

    To say there is no legitimate intelligence of a crash is disingenuous, there is apparently radar/satellite evidence that leads the experts to believe that the planes last location was where they are now searching.

    But I will admit there is no concrete evidence that is where it crashed....yet.

    It's easy to look to some conspiracy or almost supernatural event to try to explain the unexplainable but that would be far to premature.

    I'm sure with time, most, if not all will be explained.

    The two things I have learned from this story so far is, 1- There are a lot of satellites up there and 2- There is a shit load of garbage in our oceans.

    For sure!

    A few nights ago we watched that space movie, Gravity and, ok, throw bean bags at me for saying this, but I thought that was one lame movie, but I really liked the idea of all those satellites busting up in space and falling and burning through the atmosphere. But alas, we would just blast more shit into orbit and besides much the wreckage would remain in orbit circling as space trash. Good God, do we know how to trash a planet or what!?

    It was a movie for the eyes in 3D on the big screen.... I imagine it looked absolutely spectacular that way, and I'm sorry I missed seeing it that way. Because yeah, the story sucked shit without the impressive 3D experience. It was a movie absolutely NOT made for TV screens.

    Also, blame the Russians apparently. Everything is their fault these days. ;)
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    dignin said:

    I highly doubt this plane is anywhere but at the bottom of an ocean. Stealing a plane is one thing, kidnapping/murdering 200+ people another. Kind of a hard thing to keep secret for this long, it goes well beyond common sense.

    To say there is no legitimate intelligence of a crash is disingenuous, there is apparently radar/satellite evidence that leads the experts to believe that the planes last location was where they are now searching.

    But I will admit there is no concrete evidence that is where it crashed....yet.

    It's easy to look to some conspiracy or almost supernatural event to try to explain the unexplainable but that would be far to premature.

    I'm sure with time, most, if not all will be explained.

    The two things I have learned from this story so far is, 1- There are a lot of satellites up there and 2- There is a shit load of garbage in our oceans.

    For sure!

    A few nights ago we watched that space movie, Gravity and, ok, throw bean bags at me for saying this, but I thought that was one lame movie, but I really liked the idea of all those satellites busting up in space and falling and burning through the atmosphere. But alas, we would just blast more shit into orbit and besides much the wreckage would remain in orbit circling as space trash. Good God, do we know how to trash a planet or what!?

    It was a movie for the eyes in 3D on the big screen.... I imagine it looked absolutely spectacular that way, and I'm sorry I missed seeing it that way. Because yeah, the story sucked shit without the impressive 3D experience. It was a movie absolutely NOT made for TV screens.

    Also, blame the Russians apparently. Everything is their fault these days. ;)
    Yeah, I probably would have like it more on the big screen.


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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Disappearance of MH370 NOW A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION!
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/01/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

    There ya go folks.
    Not just crazy conspiracy.
    Malaysian authorities now acting on the assumption of a criminal motive.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    still ... the official word is still crash ... but if it indeed has crashed ... it would appear that whoever is responsible for this purposefully flew it into an area that would make finding the plane extremely difficult ... what is the motivation? ... lots of things still don't add up ...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Interesting theory here that makes sense:

    http://www.wired.com/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    brianlux said:

    Interesting theory here that makes sense:

    http://www.wired.com/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/19/flight-mh370-startlingly-simple-theory_n_4995610.html
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Is total system failure possible? And they ended up climbing to an altitude where hypoxia set in?
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Could this be it?

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-pulse-signal-reportedly-detected-1.2599494
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    im not always a believer in Occam's Razor, but in this case I sure am. The ONLY motive I can think of to steal a plane, hide it away, and not tell anyone in the world is to drive up media ratings, and that is just way too easy to do with celebrities to bother with hijacking a plane.
    Maybe I will eat my words, but, unless someone comes forward with a motive that makes sense I just can't believe it didn't simply crash.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    edited April 2014
    OMFG.
    LISTEN TO THIS ON CNN!! !! !!
    I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY LEFT HER ON THE AIR!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpKot27qbyw#t=162

    Girlfriend of Phillp Woods SAYS MOST FAMILY MEMBERS OF ALL THE FAMILIES ***FULLY BELIEVE THE PLANE IS STILL INTACT AND PASSENGERS ALIVE SOMEWHERE*** ... she says it is "THE COMMON THEME" between them all.

    "LOGICALLY, IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES SENSE".

    wow. mind is blown they let this on the air.
    "ALOT OF PEOPLE SAY IT MIGHT BE THE UNITED STATES THAT IS INVOLVED"
    WHOA.
    ??? BLOWN ???
    rgambs said:

    im not always a believer in Occam's Razor, but in this case I sure am. The ONLY motive I can think of to steal a plane, hide it away, and not tell anyone in the world is to drive up media ratings, and that is just way too easy to do with celebrities to bother with hijacking a plane.
    Maybe I will eat my words, but, unless someone comes forward with a motive that makes sense I just can't believe it didn't simply crash.

    No one has the answers, because so much has been withheld.
    I've heard numerous theories, ranging from valuable cargo on board (gold, military hardware?), to something to do with the Freescale employees (Carlyle Group \ Rothschild's Blackstone Group company), to something to do with another western friendly country (Israel?) having tried to use the plane in some false flag op or something but the Western governments pulled an abort job on it and landed it at Diego Garcia or somesuch ... WHO KNOWS. But this lady is right, the official story is a load of hogwash and it seems NONE of the family members are buying it at this point.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
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    http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/report-mh370-deliberately-skirted-indonesian-radar-malaysian-source-says

    The highly skilled pilot that performed this evasion did not go through all the trouble and forethought to simply nosedive in to the ocean. Something stinks about this story.
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