Malaysia Airlines loses contact with passenger jet

DriftingByTheStorm

I guess I'm saying the understanding that the plane was deliberately diverted AND hidden from radar (even MSM now admits it deliberately "skirted" radar) seems to negate the notion of it being where they are claiming these pings are coming from. As in, why would someone hijack a plane to fly it from Malaysia to south of Australia when literally nothing is in that direction except a giant hunk of ice. Clearly it was not headed to the Cobra Command base down there, as it has been in disrepair since the 80's.


I hate to accuse TPTB of a massive conspiracy to lie about the plane's final resting place, but the pieces just don't seem to add up.

You can't really claim that this plane was just lost and flying desperately off course because it deliberately broke contact and evaded radar, and you can't claim it was a ghost plane flying with a dead crew, because a voice is known to have said "goodnight" AFTER half the systems had been disabled and the route changed.

All this leads me to be forced to the conclusion that the current search operation is completely bogus, based on false information coming from (or through) Inmarsat (the bastard child of Comsat, which itself is now wholly owned by Lockheed-Martin)

Something is REALLY screwball here. Also the *immediately* "discredited" (by MSM, with NO proof) claims from the Maldives of a low flying plane matching MH370's description, when what is directly south east of the Maldives is, in fact, Diego-Garcia, strikes me as just super-duper fishy, especially when the plane's last known baring was pointed more or less directly towards that base, the Rolls-Royce reports of engine pings and the last random comm-blip from MH370 put it at another 5-7 hours in the air, more or less exactly what you'd need to get to D-G, AND the fact that the pilot had D-G in his flight simulator have me really really scratching my head going, "WTF IS GOING ON HERE?"

DriftingByTheStorm

You know, I was going to ask about an absolute lack of debris myself yesterday, but felt that I wasn't enough qualified in the physics of a plane slamming in to water to really get at it (although, honestly, I feel, it's pretty simple - plane smashes in to water - millions of small pieces everywhere, many of them floating) ...

however the MSM has done it for me. Thank you, thank you.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/547550/20140410/malaysia-airlines-mh370-debris.htm#.U0aBKHVdWlg

I find these "solutions" to be uncompelling, to say the least.
The notion that a highly skilled pilot shut off all communications and dodged radar and flew a plane for 6 hours on the run simply to "softly land in the ocean", sink, and die makes literally NO sense. Why not just nose dive it on your flight path and save everyone the trouble. WTF

The cyclone excuse is at least somewhat plausible, but I still call bullshit, and it stinks of desperately seeking to make up excuses for why not a SINGLE GOD DAMN PIECE of the plane has yet to be found.

Argument of mine, and many of the family members it seems: because the fucking plane is still 100% intact, SOMEWHERE.

polaris_x

ya ...combine that with another day another ping heard ... sort of like another day another possible weapons cache ... it feels like the same playbook ...

dignin

The truth will come out, in time.

But please, continue away with the wild speculation.

polaris_x

dignin said:

The truth will come out, in time.

But please, continue away with the wild speculation.

and you can continue with cutting down the dialogue ... like - what is your purpose! here? ...

dignin

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

The truth will come out, in time.

But please, continue away with the wild speculation.

and you can continue with cutting down the dialogue ... like - what is your purpose! here? ...

Trying to keep the dialogue in the realm of common sense. I can have an opinion too, I just don't think it requires a tin foil hat.

dignin

You can continue to point to parallels with Iraq a weapons of mass destruction with a missing plane, and I can continue to wonder what the hell you are going on about.

polaris_x

dignin said:

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

The truth will come out, in time.

But please, continue away with the wild speculation.

and you can continue with cutting down the dialogue ... like - what is your purpose! here? ...

Trying to keep the dialogue in the realm of common sense. I can have an opinion too, I just don't think it requires a tin foil hat.

no ... honestly ... you're being a dick ... just because people have different opinions than you doesn't mean they are out of the realm of common sense ... you are basically telling a bunch of the family members that they are fools ...

feel free to counter the discussion ... but simply making snide remarks doesn't actually serve a purpose in the dialogue ... there are a lot of people who obviously have different opinions but they don't feel the need to cut people with different opinions down ...

dignin

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

The truth will come out, in time.

But please, continue away with the wild speculation.

and you can continue with cutting down the dialogue ... like - what is your purpose! here? ...

Trying to keep the dialogue in the realm of common sense. I can have an opinion too, I just don't think it requires a tin foil hat.

no ... honestly ... you're being a dick ... just because people have different opinions than you doesn't mean they are out of the realm of common sense ... you are basically telling a bunch of the family members that they are fools ...

feel free to counter the discussion ... but simply making snide remarks doesn't actually serve a purpose in the dialogue ... there are a lot of people who obviously have different opinions but they don't feel the need to cut people with different opinions down ...

You seem to be really trying to make this personal.

Go back and look, I at no point asked you why you are here. But continue to play the victim.

polaris_x

i can read ... perhaps you should too ... you just remind me of someone who tries to discount people's personal opinions by using tired rhetoric instead of actually discussing it ...

read the thread ... we get that what your opinions are - why the need to label others as tin foil, not common sense or otherwise?

dignin

I will keep posting articles and facts as they are known at the time about this story. I will go wherever the evidence goes. If it leads to the plane being found on a secret island somewhere, then that's where I will lean.

I think it is irresponsible and unfair to the families and people involved in the search to do anything else. That is where you and me differ.

You can do whatever you want. (except making this about me as per posting guidelines)

lukin2006

So the batteries on the black box are good for 30 days, and their getting a pinging in day 34-35. This thing does not make any sense. So if the airplane hasn't crashed a lot of $$$ are being spent looking for nothing.

dignin

lukin2006 said:

So the batteries on the black box are good for 30 days, and their getting a pinging in day 34-35. This thing does not make any sense. So if the airplane hasn't crashed a lot of $$$ are being spent looking for nothing.

They have said from day 1 that the batteries could last longer depending on many factors, not an exact science.

polaris_x

dignin said:

I will keep posting articles and facts as they are known at the time about this story. I will go wherever the evidence goes. If it leads to the plane being found on a secret island somewhere, then that's where I will lean.

I think it is irresponsible and unfair to the families and people involved in the search to do anything else. That is where you and me differ.

You can do whatever you want. (except making this about me as per posting guidelines)

then kindly refrain from the tin foil, not common sense comments ... because you're the one making it personal by slagging people who also have read the same evidence as you and have come to alternative conclusions ...

oh dear ... so, half the families believe the plane is still intact and you are calling us irresponsible now!?? ... seriously - lay off the guilt and accusations ...

Jason P

lukin2006 said:

So the batteries on the black box are good for 30 days, and their getting a pinging in day 34-35. This thing does not make any sense. So if the airplane hasn't crashed a lot of $$$ are being spent looking for nothing.

They have to ping for a minimum of 30 days per regulations but they have said that most will ping for up to twice that.

DriftingByTheStorm

dignin said:

I will keep posting articles and facts as they are known at the time about this story. I will go wherever the evidence goes. If it leads to the plane being found on a secret island somewhere, then that's where I will lean.

I think it is irresponsible and unfair to the families and people involved in the search to do anything else. That is where you and me differ.

Hey dignin, question and a couple of points to frame it.
What exactly do you think the evidence points to at this time?
My speculations, at least, are based on the overwhelming evidence that the plane had its communications systems deliberately shut down and the flight navigation waypoints manually altered in the computer all at precisely the critical moments in time when the plane was being handed over to another airspace. Instead of checking in with Vietnam, the play did a u-turn and went on the lamb. This turn was manually pre-altered in the flight system, and the moves to disable the comm systems were done right on top of this.

Saying it is "irresponsible to the families" is somewhat of a farce because 30plus members of at least 19 separate Chinese passengers have been ranting and railing "tinfoil hat" notions and holding up incredibly accusatory / conspiratorial signs since last month. Even the American girlfriend of the American IBM engineer has said point blank on CNN, she believes the flight was "abducted", that it is still in tact, and that there is an entire series of lies being spun around it. She actually went so far as to say this belief (that the plane was abducted and in tact) is the "common theme" that "binds the families".

So I find it hard to swallow the notion that anyone here is disrespecting the family members of the passengers simply by reiterating talking points that they themselves have been trying desperately to get the world to pay attention to. go back and look at the photo I posted earlier, "hand us the murderers", "return our relatives", "tell the world the truth" ..., really not mincing words there, and that is coming from, again, 30+ family members of 19 or more individual passengers.

And, repeating the question, where do you think the evidence points at this time?

JimmyV

The likeliest solution has always been that this plane is at the bottom of the ocean. The ocean is both vast and deep, so the lack of wreckage, to me, has never seemed that strange. Not given the likely crash zone. Had this plane been flying over Long Island Sound when it went down it would be a different story.

My heart breaks for both the victims and their families. To have the search drag on this long, with no definitive answers, must be beyond tortuous. I would imagine many of them are desperate for answers and not thinking clearly. I would give them all much leeway to voice any and all of their concerns, but I would also take most of those claims with a grain of salt.

DriftingByTheStorm

JimmyV said:

The likeliest solution has always been that this plane is at the bottom of the ocean. The ocean is both vast and deep, so the lack of wreckage, to me, has never seemed that strange. Not given the likely crash zone. Had this plane been flying over Long Island Sound when it went down it would be a different story.

My heart breaks for both the victims and their families. To have the search drag on this long, with no definitive answers, must be beyond tortuous. I would imagine many of them are desperate for answers and not thinking clearly. I would give them all much leeway to voice any and all of their concerns, but I would also take most of those claims with a grain of salt.

Why does everyone here seem he'll bent on completely and utterly disregarding the known facts that someone deliberately disengaged all of the comm systems and manually reconfigured the flight path of this plane to turn around at the exact moment it changed airspace. How does such a deliberate act follow to the non sequitur of "at the bottom of the ocean".
What makes that the likeliest solution? I would really like for just one person who is toting the MSM version of events to come forward and explain how the stated facts regarding these oddities jive with the purported "likeliest solution" of a simple crash.

The likeliest explanation based on the evidence seems to be that someone or some persons had a different PLAN for this plane other than going to Bejing. The only explanation for a PLANNED deviation that puts it at the bottom of the ocean as the "likeliest solution" is a suicide, and nothing about the know sequence of events jives with a simple suicide. If you want to kill yourself as the pilot of a plane you simply nose dive the motherfucker and be done with it. You don't methodically plan and execute a disappearance from radar and travel another 5 to 7 hours simply to belly flop a 777.

SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES THE OFFICIAL STORY, PLEASE HAVE THE COURAGE TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE A CASE FOR YOURSELF, because as it stands you have seemingly very little of the known sequence of events on your side.

Jason P

Official Case: Radar

JWPearl

Black box has passed by its date :(