my question - where to get energy & stop pain

polaris_x · December 2013

time to go a different route? ... those drugs are killing ya ...

badbrains · December 2013

Chadwick, I know when I was getting off of the opiates, one of the side effects was insomnia. Couldn't sleep worth shit. It sux buddy, having to deal with all that pain and knees are no joke. I know one thing that helps me sleep is a nice fat bowel of some dank ass Kush. Something natural to knock me out. Stick with the kushes for the pain and insomnia.

And yes, Chadwick is a good dude. No surprise there! 8-)

hedonist · December 2013

oceaninmyeyes wrote:

Chadwick - acupuncture can be wonderful if you find a good practitioner. My entire family has been to our guy for a whole variety of ailments. He can do wonders for pain. I wish you well.

Totally echo the acupuncture advice (this from a needle-phobe!), along with the "chadwick's a good guy" sentiments

Nothing but goodwill from here.

JonnyPistachio · December 2013

I wish you the best too Chadwick. Keep trying new things I suppose.

Every try yoga?

I had tremendous problems with my back...then I tried yoga. I dont think it would be good for (or easy) on a knee problem like you have, but you may try some easier routines. Also, during an hour long class, there are several pose sI cannot do because of my back injury, but I just skip 'em and zone out, then try the next pose if I can.

I tried yoga with three separate teachers, and only one of them holds my interest. She is from India and at the end of the hour session, she puts on some cool meditative Indian music and I go to another place. I've never been so relaxed immediately after having my body do such weird shit. Sometimes during mediation parts, I lay there thinking about being ripped apart by a shark and I feel relaxed..very strange irony, but something you might appreciate.

Good luck to ya buddy.

shortstack · December 2013

chadwick wrote:

shortstack

i get the knees aspirated & injected w/ cordizone every 90 days but i am currently holding out as im tired of being filled up with steroids & things. left shoulder & both knees... injections. the right shoulder could use it. swimming hurts shoulders & necks, well, at least mine it does as i have arthritic knees & shoulders.

one hospital wanted to burn nerves in my knees. we did a trial run where they numbed nerves. i thought, wow, cool. then thought it was a bad idea because i like knowing if i have further damaged my knees, i kinda wanna know they are there. burning nerves gives relief for roughly one year. this hospital also does not believe in opiates & if they do, i am not the patient w/ cancer or whatever that really could use something

yeah, that kind of treatment just seems to relieve the inflammation and is only temporary. have they diagnosed the injuries? i was referring to some type of surgery to actually try fix the problem. http://www.symptomfind.com/procedures-t ... e-surgery/
i know someone who just had surgery for a damaged meniscus this past thursday and is already walking around and says it's a little sore at the three little incision sites but most of the pain is gone.

i have two herniated discs in my neck and two in my lower back. my docs prescribed vicodin and darvocet, but i decided to go for physical therapy instead. the PT told me that i needed to build the muscles surrounding the discs to support them (if that makes sense) ...and it worked! if i sit around a lot my back and neck start hurting, and along with neck pain comes shoulder pain, arm pain, headaches and depression. if i keep moving i am fine. the more i move around and exercise the more energy and motivation i have too.

chadwick · December 2013

shortstack,

bone on bone in the knees
arthitis in the knees & shoulders
cavities starting in the knees
cartilage saying bye-bye

today i woke up w/ wonderful energy. i packed my swim bag, ate a bagel, banana & orange & was out the door for a good morning swim. i slept pretty decent lastnight. suboxone strips may be the trick to ease a guy away from the haunting opiate cravings & allow for good deep sleep. i felt slightly hungover like this morning but it was no big deal. i also did not eat another suboxone strip until after my swim & christmas shopping. i'm allowed three suboxone daily but one or two may be all i'll need.

price a monthly prescription of suboxone if you want a heart attack real quick. thankfully i have prescription drug insurance. another thing about suboxone... i believe only a psychiatrist can prescribe it, they can only have a low number of patients on the suboxone & each prescription is coded to the patient to stop folks selling the stuff; get caught & it's on.

polaris_x
i have to take hypertension meds
i take a heart pill that allows the heart to work slower
cholesterol pill before bed & cannot eat grapefruit (this is not something i find wonderful as i enjoy my grapefruit breakfasts... well, i used too enjoy them)
a water pill to pee my brains out... helps lower the blood pressure

the psychiatrist gave me cymbalta... nope, aint taking it, doc, my manhood quit working on me. cymbalta can be used as a pain reliever & treats depression. would you like a few cymbalta?

see these fucking assholes (doctors) wanna pill a guy up. i may get bummed out or sad sometimes but i sure as shit am not depressed. im pretty gosh darn thrilled to be alive & i'm ready to rock most days.

johnny pistachio,
yoga kicks ass. i will look into some poses & routines. i'll start with the internet & ask around. as a matter of fact mom used to do yoga when us boys were younger. thank you

thank you everyone, badbrains, hedonist, thoughts arrive, holy toledo, kiss my grits & 82

backseatlover12... yes those buddhists live a very disciplined existence. i could only be a fraction as disciplined & awesome. nonetheless, i been fantasizing about opium & hashish & whatnot for decades. it's just the last few years it has been a bit much

http://youtu.be/60om8BUmuiI
go to 2:00 if you like

http://youtu.be/bDDPTP1uHDg
chillum...
http://youtu.be/_RYtxflGQ_8

i don't have a youtube account so certain videos are now out of reach.
these videos were accessable last year but now aren't. "babas smoking chillum" & "babas smoking second chillum"
wonderful couple of videos

it is not a terrible thing to smoke your hashish or opium or whatever type of smoke one may have & meditate deeply getting in touch w/ one's innerness, others, this planet & the universe in which we are balanced in.
i tell my psychiatrist & his staff it is my life's goal to go to asia somewhere & meditate under a tree next to a river with some very special folks as we toke on the chillum. i will then be open & learn

i type/talk to much.

enjoy the day, everyone

PJ_Soul · December 2013

I think you should get surgery Chadwick. Your knees are only going to get worse. If you don't get knee replacement surgery, you will eventually not be able to walk at all.

chadwick · December 2013

PJ_Soul wrote:

I think you should get surgery Chadwick. Your knees are only going to get worse. If you don't get knee replacement surgery, you will eventually not be able to walk at all.

true

this is why i am doing what i am doing.
exercising, eating right & physical therapy on my own or with therapists. i am preparing for the inevitable. im a big hairy viking ass caveman. they want me to be a small hairy viking ass caveman. new knees work best on less weight pressure.

swim swim swim swim swim swim swim & spinach & fruit
swim swim swim swim swim swim swim swim swim & opiate daydreams & vertigo spells in my inner ears
plus it is a must to walk walk walk walk walk & walk
i also shovel snow at odd hours where i sweat & dig tunnels

hgpjam11 · December 2013

Chadwick, I have seen/read enough from you to know you'll find your way through this. But the rest of this group is right, we'll help.

My thoughts, sorry some are duplicate from other people...

Get off of as many of those damn drugs as you can. And maybe find an alternative dr (voodoo, whatever you want to call it l) to see if there are natural things you can take that won't screw with the rest of your brain & body. I'm convinced that drugs bring more drugs, until we're zombies.

Exercise as much as you can - as a recent exercise convert, I can honestly say I feel better than ever with less "old lady" pain and more energy. I can't imagine your physical pain with knee problems - so I know I'm probably making it sound easier than it is. But swimming is great - keep that up!

Try a (good, natural) chiropractor. I never believed until 2 yrs ago - but that guy can twist things in my shoulder to fix something in My big toe. Again, it's a little voodoo and I'm sure it won't fix everyone. But it might be worth a shot.
The acupuncture & yoga are also great suggestions from people.

Anyway... Now I talk/write too much. Hang in there, get yourself well again.
And bah humbug.

brianlux · December 2013

Lots of good advice and ideas here so far, Chad!

Pain is a mother bear of a thing to deal with. No, a mama, papa and baby bear of a fucker to deal with. My own experience with opiates may not apply but for several years I dealt with my ear pain by taking prescription opiates. At first it helped but them I had to take more and more and then crushing the pills and rubbing them on my gums and then downing them with alcohol (which should have killed me on at least two occasions so, frankly, it's just dumb luck that I'm still here) etc. etc. and finally survived one last close call and spent a week in the hospital getting off that shit. It wasn't working any more anyway.

Of the other people I've known with pain issues, one friend died from trying to kill the pain.

Those I've known who have gotten better have generally have done so with herbs (including some good weed), juicing, cleansing diets, chiropractic and acupuncture.

The other on-going pain I've had to deal with is chronic lower back due to deteriorated discs and the best thing for that has been icing. Even during this hard freeze here that lasted a week I often get up and ice my lower back for twenty minutes until it is numb. Icing before bed seems to help as well. Chiropractic and acupuncture have helped some as well.

When my energy is low I start drinking more carrot juice- up to a quart a day. Carrot/apple/beat juice is helpful also.

I know its tempting to want to kill the pain with various drugs, Chad, but the chance of doing yourself in is greater that way. Try to go easy on that stuff if you have to have it. Some of the alternatives might help and surely can't hurt.

Hang in there good man and good friend. Sending out good thoughts for you!

amethgr8 · December 2013

did you start drinking/using first or have pain first and then used it for pain?

just curious.

amy

chadwick · December 2013

brianlux,

i'll get the carrot, apple & beat juice. never heard of this combination.

so listen, folks, i have no prescriptions for any opiates although i wish i did. i have zero $$$ to buy from people on the side. this also means no extra $$$ for good ass grass.

amethgr8,

i started drinking first. i drank as a teenager (if that is what you are talking about.

the night i had drinks & pills was.... two percocets & two methadone, maybe some grass, 6-8 beers & one or two glasses of wine & in that order. this is very rare these days & just doesn't happen. my neighbor's wonderful family comes to town & i turn into the clown/life of the party. i enjoy being around women so that is how that went down. these women tied me down, chained me to the table & forced me to drink, drug & watch & communicate w/ them

lastnight suboxone made me dizzy sick; sweating & pale. yuck. was in bed early & i had a few different people check in on me every hour or so; my mom is wonderful as are my friends

today i see my psychiatrist. the suboxone either needs to be reduced in mg strength or flat out not used at all. i would rather just get by on 4 percs a day which is half of what i was taking. 8 percs & 8 methadone everyday was the way for a few years. i felt fantastic & was way more active. chronic pain is no way to live. chronic pain invites suicide, which i will not be a part of

time for a dip in the pool
have a decent day, everybody

currently snowing
temperature: 22f / -6c

hedonist · December 2013

Well shit, chadwick.

I hope your psych is a good one - one who listens to / hears you, and actually helps over time.

Chronic pain DOES suck. Any kind of it.

I ride that roller-coaster too.

Have a wonderful swim, and hang tight.

amethgr8 · December 2013

yes, that's what I meant. I didn't start any kind of use of anything till well past 17 yrs old. I had about a 2 yr run with alcohol and a few other things years later. Pretty much nicotine is what I'm trying to kick now. but I get around people and places and see things and I can feel the temptation, I don't know if it's ever "easy", once you been down that road.

I don't know much, except to try and read your body. Also, I know that back problems take A LONG TIME TO HEAL. by the time you've developed pain in your back, it's pretty late in the progression. For as long as you put up with a bit of pain here and there, and then none and then off and on, it will probably take that amount of time to heal it. the discs themselves won't regenerate, but you can strengthen the muscles around them and try to alieveate the pressure. I know a guy that bought a inversion table as a last resort before going in for back surgery and he used it and didn't have to go.

for what it's worth. your recovery will be in my thoughts.

amy

shortstack · December 2013

i have never heard of this until today. :think:

http://www.earthing.com/default.asp

F Me In The Brain · December 2013

Hey man, hope that you made it through Christmas feeling better and are ready for NYE, which I imagine can be a bitch of a temptation.

So a few days after Christmas my family drove down from Vermont and we did a '2nd Christmas' -- my mother still hangs stocking for us like we are little kids, which of course is a fun tradition.
Among the items I found in my stocking this year?

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I had forgotten I put this on my Amazon wish list. Very cool!

mikalina · December 2013

F Me In The Brain wrote:

Hey man, hope that you made it through Christmas feeling better and are ready for NYE, which I imagine can be a bitch of a temptation.

So a few days after Christmas my family drove down from Vermont and we did a '2nd Christmas' -- my mother still hangs stocking for us like we are little kids, which of course is a fun tradition.
Among the items I found in my stocking this year?

I had forgotten I put this on my Amazon wish list. Very cool!

What a great surprise for you, and the cover winter scene is incredible. I've had Chad's book for a few years now.
enjoy...

chadwick · December 2013

F Me In The Brain wrote:

Hey man, hope that you made it through Christmas feeling better and are ready for NYE, which I imagine can be a bitch of a temptation.

So a few days after Christmas my family drove down from Vermont and we did a '2nd Christmas' -- my mother still hangs stocking for us like we are little kids, which of course is a fun tradition.
Among the items I found in my stocking this year?

I had forgotten I put this on my Amazon wish list. Very cool!

unbelievable
thank you

im ok. christmas was blah blah poop
nye... like christmas, a pile of snot

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