Then they're abusing the whole line/number thing or they don't understand the purpose. It's been ideal in Europe for situations where the venue hasn't yet put out the 'official' line/barriers. It means everyone knows in what order they arrived to queue should we have to move the line. Do people abuse it? Sure. Are they right to, hell no (I get fairly pissed off when I see people taking the piss - although I'm usually too quiet to say anything! :? ). If there wasn't a list/number thing going on would people abuse it? Of course (and in my experience in much greater numbers).
We (a couple) queue in Europe. There are 2 of us, we arrive together (in Europe I've only ever witnessed people who were physically there get a number - I've always seen it refused when someone tries to write down the name of another person who isn't physically there). We only leave for bathroom breaks and to buy a bite to eat and bring the food back to the line. It is extremely rare for both of us to be out of the line at the same time. Other than that, it's pavement time! The vast majority of people do exactly the same. I'd say less than 10% of people abuse it.
Before this started (and at gigs for other bands). You could be, say 15th, in the queue when you arrive. Sweet! By the time doors open each person/group of people tend to have friends/parents/kids join them (despite the mumblings of "we're just catching up, we won't be staying in line") and, bang, you're down to the 30s/40s. Also at a lot of venues they don't have lines etc. sorted out straight away so people just kind of congregate - when lines/barriers are set up it can then be a free for all and, despite having waited all day, you can get royally screewed over. We were at one gig where we were 4th and 5th in the queue when we arrived. By doors, there were 12 people ahead of us - that's waaaay more than 10%!! At another gig we were near the front of the queue. The venue decided quite late in the day they were going to use a different door for entry at the opposite end of the venue, as a result we were near the back of the queue as the people at the back of the line were nearer the new entrance.
Is it perfect? Nope. Will anything be perfect? Nope.
Would I favour with or without? I have to honestly say, with.
On my Bucket List is to be on the rail for a PJ show. Although I am twice the age as what I assume to be most fans on the rail, I am still hoping this will be a possibility. I am traveling from LA to Phoenix for Tuesday's show. A lot of effort is required just to get to that point. Would so appreciate any feedback and tips to accomplish what I hope won't be an impossible task. Lemme know. Thanks. -- The topic of this thread is causing me concern already
On my Bucket List is to be on the rail for a PJ show. Although I am twice the age as what I assume to be most fans on the rail, I am still hoping this will be a possibility. I am traveling from LA to Phoenix for Tuesday's show. A lot of effort is required just to get to that point. Would so appreciate any feedback and tips to accomplish what I hope won't be an impossible task. Lemme know. Thanks. -- The topic of this thread is causing me concern already
Just get there early (not sure what times the queues have been starting in the States). If a list is running, put your name down, grab a number. Wait, chat, make friends, cross your fingers that the weather is decent and let people around you know when you're going to quickly leave for either the bathroom or to bring some food back. I've heard reports that the lines/GA in general over there have been really chilled out. I'm sure you'll be absolutely fine! We're not exactly part of the young crowd and we manage just fine!
One thing though, be prepared to have an overwhelming urge to do it all again!!
On my Bucket List is to be on the rail for a PJ show. Although I am twice the age as what I assume to be most fans on the rail, I am still hoping this will be a possibility. I am traveling from LA to Phoenix for Tuesday's show. A lot of effort is required just to get to that point. Would so appreciate any feedback and tips to accomplish what I hope won't be an impossible task. Lemme know. Thanks. -- The topic of this thread is causing me concern already
Just get there early (not sure what times the queues have been starting in the States). If a list is running, put your name down, grab a number. Wait, chat, make friends, cross your fingers that the weather is decent and let people around you know when you're going to quickly leave for either the bathroom or to bring some food back. I've heard reports that the lines/GA in general over there have been really chilled out. I'm sure you'll be absolutely fine! We're not exactly part of the young crowd and we manage just fine!
One thing though, be prepared to have an overwhelming urge to do it all again!!
Thank you, Strummers! When music is part of your soul, it never leaves you regardless of age. Sounds like you agree. I often buy just one ticket to a concert. Call it "taking myself on a date". My first concert ever attended was Elvis if you can believe that. Was probably 5 or 6 yrs old. Totally remember it. Wish me luck in Phoenix.
On my Bucket List is to be on the rail for a PJ show. Although I am twice the age as what I assume to be most fans on the rail, I am still hoping this will be a possibility. I am traveling from LA to Phoenix for Tuesday's show. A lot of effort is required just to get to that point. Would so appreciate any feedback and tips to accomplish what I hope won't be an impossible task. Lemme know. Thanks. -- The topic of this thread is causing me concern already
Just get there early (not sure what times the queues have been starting in the States). If a list is running, put your name down, grab a number. Wait, chat, make friends, cross your fingers that the weather is decent and let people around you know when you're going to quickly leave for either the bathroom or to bring some food back. I've heard reports that the lines/GA in general over there have been really chilled out. I'm sure you'll be absolutely fine! We're not exactly part of the young crowd and we manage just fine!
One thing though, be prepared to have an overwhelming urge to do it all again!!
Thank you, Strummers! When music is part of your soul, it never leaves you regardless of age. Sounds like you agree. I often buy just one ticket to a concert. Call it "taking myself on a date". My first concert ever attended was Elvis if you can believe that. Was probably 5 or 6 yrs old. Totally remember it. Wish me luck in Phoenix.
Good luck - you'll have an absolute blast!! I remember years ago saying I wanted to be on the rail for a gig before I hit 30 (we usually hung out middle-back at gigs). We got our first front row when I was 29, I was immediately hooked. Why the hell didn't I think about it earlier?? Haha. Have been in some very rough crowds over the years, but it never puts us off!
But at the first Philly show it worked great, at least for the 20 first spots where I was at. People left for the bathroom or to go and buy food/drinks and then got back.
This "people leaving all day" or "listing friends who will not arrive" didn't exist in the first 20-25 spots at least. But the people up in front or that have the "notebook" can't be responsible for what happens far back.
But still, i was worried coming to USA because in Europe there are a lot of douchebag fans exploiting or acting like assholes.
But my experience was great with the list, the GA and the waiting and at least up in the front of the que everything was fair. But maybe people in the first 20-30 spots are more motivated to stay put. And also taking care of eachother so that all is fair etc.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
But my experience was great with the list, the GA and the waiting and at least up in the front of the que everything was fair. But maybe people in the first 20-30 spots are more motivated to stay put. And also taking care of eachother so that all is fair etc.
You could be right! My experience is usually that of the front of the line and, as you said, the vast majority of those people respect the fact you have to physically stay in the line and actually queue. You are never aware of what is going on throughout the whole of a line, just your own limited section. There are people who do exploit it, some a hell of a lot more than others. Any system (or lack of) is open to abuse by those who are willing to abuse it.
Unfortunately there will always be those people in life who are looking to take advantage and are more than willing to screw others over. It would be great if we could rely on the honesty and integrity of our fellow fans
Then they're abusing the whole line/number thing or they don't understand the purpose. It's been ideal in Europe for situations where the venue hasn't yet put out the 'official' line/barriers. It means everyone knows in what order they arrived to queue should we have to move the line. Do people abuse it? Sure. Are they right to, hell no (I get fairly pissed off when I see people taking the piss - although I'm usually too quiet to say anything! :? ). If there wasn't a list/number thing going on would people abuse it? Of course (and in my experience in much greater numbers).
We (a couple) queue in Europe. There are 2 of us, we arrive together (in Europe I've only ever witnessed people who were physically there get a number - I've always seen it refused when someone tries to write down the name of another person who isn't physically there). We only leave for bathroom breaks and to buy a bite to eat and bring the food back to the line. It is extremely rare for both of us to be out of the line at the same time. Other than that, it's pavement time! The vast majority of people do exactly the same. I'd say less than 10% of people abuse it.
EXACTLY
The notebook was necessary in Europe to prevent you from losing your spot if the venue suddenly changed the entrance doors or if you needed to quickly go for food/drink/bathroom. If you tried to jump in line right before doors opened without standing in line all day with the rest of the fans, then the fans would yell at you and you'd get thrown out. Doesn't matter what number is on your hand. On more than one occasion the security guards responded to the uproar and escorted the offending people out of line. And there's no way you could get a number without physically being there. The system worked very well. (My experiences appear to be different from what Spiritual_Chaos described). Short breaks were allowed. It was very reasonable. If you missed two "roll calls" then your number was crossed out and you'd go to the back of the line. After waiting in line for 8+ hrs, we weren't about to let someone stroll in front of us. You shouldn't either!!
My wife and u got in the GA line in charlotte around 4:30pm. We noticed people had numbers written on their hands and I tried to explain this notebook system the 10c uses.
What confused both of us was that there were people in line behind us with lower numbers than people in front of us. Maybe people felt to embarrassed to cut in line based on a number on their hand. We didn't see any cutting in the line other than people we saw leave (I guess to use the bathroom) and come back within 15 minutes.
Posted this in the other thread but thought I'd throw this in here as well.
An easy proposed solution:
GA tix are pre-marked with priority numbers. Venue entrance priority (place in line) is based on that. That shifts the line with picking up the tickets and not getting into the venue.
Once tickets are picked up, go to the bar, do some sightseeing, and be back at the venue at a set time (say 4:30 PM) and claim the spot printed on your ticket.
Best of both worlds here, rewards people who get in line early to pick up tickets (a line you should not be able to leave), but allows you to go do some other things once they are picked up.
Maybe I'm not thinking this completely through, but seems like it would eliminate some of the GA problems people have been complaining about.
Either this, or hand out GA ticks randomly (in pairs with consecutive priority numbers) and eliminate the need to get there early at all. And as with the above, have a set time to be back and form the line.
Anyways, just my thoughts.
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Sounds as if there wasn't enough 'pressure' placed on the people that were essentially shitting all over everyone who was waiting in line. "I'm above waiting in line. Lines are for people like you!" The cutting fools became brazen because nobody challenged them on such an act of disrespect. It's likely repeat behaviour as well that needs to be stopped.
I look at such a turn of events as confrontation: people essentially daring you to do something about it. I'm not one to back away from such a challenge when it is flaunted in my face (ie. there are some DMB Gorge line cutters that would know something about this). A girlfriend joining her boyfriend, or a friend joining their other friend is no big deal. A gaggle of 4 people joining another gaggle of 4 people is another story- they can meet up inside.
I won't be in my line up too early if at all- I'll be having a nice meal somewhere with a few beers to boot. The rail isn't going to make or break my experience. But when I do get to a line up, I won't be very accommodating to anyone who seeks to jump in front of me because some busybody with a '05 concert t-shirt has a book with some names on it.
When someone in your line finds the wherewithal to confront said offenders... find it within yourself to align yourself with them to have the morons tuck their tail between their legs, go to the back of the line, and later feel a touch of shame when they are among you in the pit. It's your responsibility towards making the world a better place.
Posted this in the other thread but thought I'd throw this in here as well.
An easy proposed solution:
GA tix are pre-marked with priority numbers. Venue entrance priority (place in line) is based on that. That shifts the line with picking up the tickets and not getting into the venue.
Once tickets are picked up, go to the bar, do some sightseeing, and be back at the venue at a set time (say 4:30 PM) and claim the spot printed on your ticket.
Best of both worlds here, rewards people who get in line early to pick up tickets (a line you should not be able to leave), but allows you to go do some other things once they are picked up.
Maybe I'm not thinking this completely through, but seems like it would eliminate some of the GA problems people have been complaining about.
Either this, or hand out GA ticks randomly (in pairs with consecutive priority numbers) and eliminate the need to get there early at all. And as with the above, have a set time to be back and form the line.
Anyways, just my thoughts.
That actually makes a ton of sense. It allows for GA to still be truly GA (senoirity doesn't count), but also allows those most hardcore about being on the rail to get there early, get their tix, and then no one has to spend all day in line, but also no one can cut when the line gets formed later. Would also make sense to only require one person to pick up 2 tickets, so both people don't absolutely have to be there at zero dark thirty to wait for the initial tix. And the band gets to see some new faces on the rail, and people like theo cool guy above who saw Elvis would actually have a prayer of crossing this off the bucket list. AND... it's not a secret society - if you're there early, you get tix whether you knew the system or not. It's not some secret list that people can abuse so badly and that people further back in hte line know nothing about and do the right thing waiting and not leaving, only to be displaced by 40 slackers.
I never get GA, because I'm short and do not do well standing in one place all day, but I support those who can/do do it and I support them having a fair workable system that is hard to abuse.
Wait wtf? I haven't heard of this...Because if you are saying people are not standing in line the entire time and then slipping in, I would knock that person out. I had GA tix but I didn't bother going in until around 8:00 so I didn't see any of this.
The other thing is why the hell would the people in line not kick someone's ass for walking in front of line?
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I heard about line numbers during the last leg but I didn't think it was fan run? Seriously WTF is wrong with people? Such elitist fucks in this fan base.
On my Bucket List is to be on the rail for a PJ show. Although I am twice the age as what I assume to be most fans on the rail, I am still hoping this will be a possibility. I am traveling from LA to Phoenix for Tuesday's show. A lot of effort is required just to get to that point. Would so appreciate any feedback and tips to accomplish what I hope won't be an impossible task. Lemme know. Thanks. -- The topic of this thread is causing me concern already
Just get there early (not sure what times the queues have been starting in the States). If a list is running, put your name down, grab a number. Wait, chat, make friends, cross your fingers that the weather is decent and let people around you know when you're going to quickly leave for either the bathroom or to bring some food back. I've heard reports that the lines/GA in general over there have been really chilled out. I'm sure you'll be absolutely fine! We're not exactly part of the young crowd and we manage just fine!
One thing though, be prepared to have an overwhelming urge to do it all again!!
No, if you see the person with the list. Tell them to fuck off, grab it and burn it. Then throw it in their face.
On my Bucket List is to be on the rail for a PJ show. Although I am twice the age as what I assume to be most fans on the rail, I am still hoping this will be a possibility. I am traveling from LA to Phoenix for Tuesday's show. A lot of effort is required just to get to that point. Would so appreciate any feedback and tips to accomplish what I hope won't be an impossible task. Lemme know. Thanks. -- The topic of this thread is causing me concern already
Just get there early (not sure what times the queues have been starting in the States). If a list is running, put your name down, grab a number. Wait, chat, make friends, cross your fingers that the weather is decent and let people around you know when you're going to quickly leave for either the bathroom or to bring some food back. I've heard reports that the lines/GA in general over there have been really chilled out. I'm sure you'll be absolutely fine! We're not exactly part of the young crowd and we manage just fine!
One thing though, be prepared to have an overwhelming urge to do it all again!!
The US line situation has been exactly what strummers described. Everyone who has been getting angry and throwing around the word elitist about the whole process has not been in line from what I can tell.
The US line situation has been exactly what strummers described. Everyone who has been getting angry and throwing around the word elitist about the whole process has not been in line from what I can tell.
I was in line at Hartford well before the doors opened and nobody told me about this list.
The US line situation has been exactly what strummers described. Everyone who has been getting angry and throwing around the word elitist about the whole process has not been in line from what I can tell.
I was in line at Hartford well before the doors opened and nobody told me about this list.
That "list" is the definition of elitist.
No one told me either. I first came across it in Europe. First thing I did was to ask people around me what the deal was and someone told me the deal. It's no big secret. I'm sorry that no one filled you in, but it really isn't hard to find out. Was there one entrance or multiple in Hartford? If it was multiple entrances then the list doesn't work.
Why? It's not more then an extra measures not have idiots cut in or anything or start a debate over your place when you've been to the bathroom.
It's not like having a number gives you any privileges, you still have to sit there and wait - and to my knowledge from my one show in the US people did just that, sat on their ass and waited. At least where I was sitting.
My experience with the list in the US is only one show, but it was handled great compared to Europe. Less douchebags that cut in at least.
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The US line situation has been exactly what strummers described. Everyone who has been getting angry and throwing around the word elitist about the whole process has not been in line from what I can tell.
I was in line at Hartford well before the doors opened and nobody told me about this list.
That "list" is the definition of elitist.
I can't speak for your experience as I wasn't there and have no first hand experience of US queues. However, we aren't with the 'in crowd' and are both fairly quiet. When we first encountered 'the list' we had absolutely no idea about it. Somehow we figured it out, we asked what was with the numbers and was there anything we needed to do and we're told all about the idea. You put your name down when you're in line, get a number and should locations change etc. or when the official line location is put in place by the venue, we can keep track of where everyone was in line.
Sounded like a decent idea. Still think it is, I've met some absolutely fantastic people over the years through lining up (and a few not so ). We've informed people about the unofficial list at venues if we see people kind of wandering a bit lost, or if people line up behind us and don't seem to know about it.
I'm sorry if no-one told you about it and that you didn't notice numbers on hands etc., I totally understand your frustration about it if you feel you were screwed over. I hope your future experiences are more positive!
Ever been in a long line at the bank? or at airport security? They wind everyone in a serpentine fashion..
What if they but something like this in the pit? After every song, 20 people gotta move over..
That would mean everyone gets the rail at one point!!
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Not such a fan of another line- but I like the idea of people enjoying the rail for a few songs and then letting somebody else belly up. I've been to bunch of shows- never been on the rail and had a kick ass time- everytime. Can we stop treating the rail like it is so precious? Listen to Eddie.... the selfish they're all standing in line......
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My wife and u got in the GA line in charlotte around 4:30pm. We noticed people had numbers written on their hands and I tried to explain this notebook system the 10c uses.
See that's part of the problem right there. It's not the 10 Club's system. It's fans who arrive first creating a notebook list and numbers on hands with markers who really have no authority to do so. It is happening. I've seen photos and read comments about people thanking its occurrence that allowed them to attend the pre-party, return to their hotels, etc. Those that truly wait are honest people. Those that don't truly wait due to the excuse that their name is on the list are not. People in the line shouldn't have to police the abusers either. Nor do they really have the right to physically throw someone out of a line.
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I would never sign some unofficial "line order" sheet that some clown created with a sharpie and a napkin. Who the hell are these people creating these list in line?
Apparently not Mamasan Bren but possibly Suziemay.
I would never sign some unofficial "line order" sheet that some clown created with a sharpie and a napkin. Who the hell are these people creating these list in line?
Apparently not Mamasan Bren but possibly Suziemay.
Never started a line. WIth my luck I would probably be waiting at the wrong door
My wife and u got in the GA line in charlotte around 4:30pm. We noticed people had numbers written on their hands and I tried to explain this notebook system the 10c uses.
See that's part of the problem right there. It's not the 10 Club's system. It's fans who arrive first creating a notebook list and numbers on hands with markers who really have no authority to do so. It is happening. I've seen photos and read comments about people thanking its occurrence that allowed them to attend the pre-party, return to their hotels, etc. Those that truly wait are honest people. Those that don't truly wait due to the excuse that their name is on the list are not. People in the line shouldn't have to police the abusers either. Nor do they really have the right to physically throw someone out of a line.
I did explain to her that it wasn't a 10c system, but fans doing it on their own. I "misspoke" when i was typing that out. Apologies
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We (a couple) queue in Europe. There are 2 of us, we arrive together (in Europe I've only ever witnessed people who were physically there get a number - I've always seen it refused when someone tries to write down the name of another person who isn't physically there). We only leave for bathroom breaks and to buy a bite to eat and bring the food back to the line. It is extremely rare for both of us to be out of the line at the same time. Other than that, it's pavement time! The vast majority of people do exactly the same. I'd say less than 10% of people abuse it.
Before this started (and at gigs for other bands). You could be, say 15th, in the queue when you arrive. Sweet! By the time doors open each person/group of people tend to have friends/parents/kids join them (despite the mumblings of "we're just catching up, we won't be staying in line") and, bang, you're down to the 30s/40s. Also at a lot of venues they don't have lines etc. sorted out straight away so people just kind of congregate - when lines/barriers are set up it can then be a free for all and, despite having waited all day, you can get royally screewed over. We were at one gig where we were 4th and 5th in the queue when we arrived. By doors, there were 12 people ahead of us - that's waaaay more than 10%!! At another gig we were near the front of the queue. The venue decided quite late in the day they were going to use a different door for entry at the opposite end of the venue, as a result we were near the back of the queue as the people at the back of the line were nearer the new entrance.
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Just get there early (not sure what times the queues have been starting in the States). If a list is running, put your name down, grab a number. Wait, chat, make friends, cross your fingers that the weather is decent and let people around you know when you're going to quickly leave for either the bathroom or to bring some food back. I've heard reports that the lines/GA in general over there have been really chilled out. I'm sure you'll be absolutely fine! We're not exactly part of the young crowd and we manage just fine!
One thing though, be prepared to have an overwhelming urge to do it all again!!
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Thank you, Strummers! When music is part of your soul, it never leaves you regardless of age. Sounds like you agree. I often buy just one ticket to a concert. Call it "taking myself on a date". My first concert ever attended was Elvis if you can believe that. Was probably 5 or 6 yrs old. Totally remember it. Wish me luck in Phoenix.
Good luck - you'll have an absolute blast!! I remember years ago saying I wanted to be on the rail for a gig before I hit 30 (we usually hung out middle-back at gigs). We got our first front row when I was 29, I was immediately hooked. Why the hell didn't I think about it earlier?? Haha. Have been in some very rough crowds over the years, but it never puts us off!
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And in Europe it has been exploted as hell.
But at the first Philly show it worked great, at least for the 20 first spots where I was at. People left for the bathroom or to go and buy food/drinks and then got back.
This "people leaving all day" or "listing friends who will not arrive" didn't exist in the first 20-25 spots at least. But the people up in front or that have the "notebook" can't be responsible for what happens far back.
But still, i was worried coming to USA because in Europe there are a lot of douchebag fans exploiting or acting like assholes.
But my experience was great with the list, the GA and the waiting and at least up in the front of the que everything was fair. But maybe people in the first 20-30 spots are more motivated to stay put. And also taking care of eachother so that all is fair etc.
You could be right! My experience is usually that of the front of the line and, as you said, the vast majority of those people respect the fact you have to physically stay in the line and actually queue. You are never aware of what is going on throughout the whole of a line, just your own limited section. There are people who do exploit it, some a hell of a lot more than others. Any system (or lack of) is open to abuse by those who are willing to abuse it.
Unfortunately there will always be those people in life who are looking to take advantage and are more than willing to screw others over. It would be great if we could rely on the honesty and integrity of our fellow fans
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EXACTLY
The notebook was necessary in Europe to prevent you from losing your spot if the venue suddenly changed the entrance doors or if you needed to quickly go for food/drink/bathroom. If you tried to jump in line right before doors opened without standing in line all day with the rest of the fans, then the fans would yell at you and you'd get thrown out. Doesn't matter what number is on your hand. On more than one occasion the security guards responded to the uproar and escorted the offending people out of line. And there's no way you could get a number without physically being there. The system worked very well. (My experiences appear to be different from what Spiritual_Chaos described). Short breaks were allowed. It was very reasonable. If you missed two "roll calls" then your number was crossed out and you'd go to the back of the line. After waiting in line for 8+ hrs, we weren't about to let someone stroll in front of us. You shouldn't either!!
What confused both of us was that there were people in line behind us with lower numbers than people in front of us. Maybe people felt to embarrassed to cut in line based on a number on their hand. We didn't see any cutting in the line other than people we saw leave (I guess to use the bathroom) and come back within 15 minutes.
An easy proposed solution:
GA tix are pre-marked with priority numbers. Venue entrance priority (place in line) is based on that. That shifts the line with picking up the tickets and not getting into the venue.
Once tickets are picked up, go to the bar, do some sightseeing, and be back at the venue at a set time (say 4:30 PM) and claim the spot printed on your ticket.
Best of both worlds here, rewards people who get in line early to pick up tickets (a line you should not be able to leave), but allows you to go do some other things once they are picked up.
Maybe I'm not thinking this completely through, but seems like it would eliminate some of the GA problems people have been complaining about.
Either this, or hand out GA ticks randomly (in pairs with consecutive priority numbers) and eliminate the need to get there early at all. And as with the above, have a set time to be back and form the line.
Anyways, just my thoughts.
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I look at such a turn of events as confrontation: people essentially daring you to do something about it. I'm not one to back away from such a challenge when it is flaunted in my face (ie. there are some DMB Gorge line cutters that would know something about this). A girlfriend joining her boyfriend, or a friend joining their other friend is no big deal. A gaggle of 4 people joining another gaggle of 4 people is another story- they can meet up inside.
I won't be in my line up too early if at all- I'll be having a nice meal somewhere with a few beers to boot. The rail isn't going to make or break my experience. But when I do get to a line up, I won't be very accommodating to anyone who seeks to jump in front of me because some busybody with a '05 concert t-shirt has a book with some names on it.
When someone in your line finds the wherewithal to confront said offenders... find it within yourself to align yourself with them to have the morons tuck their tail between their legs, go to the back of the line, and later feel a touch of shame when they are among you in the pit. It's your responsibility towards making the world a better place.
I agree whole heartedly. Don't blame the fool for trying, blame yourself and the people around you for letting it happen.
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I never get GA, because I'm short and do not do well standing in one place all day, but I support those who can/do do it and I support them having a fair workable system that is hard to abuse.
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No, if you see the person with the list. Tell them to fuck off, grab it and burn it. Then throw it in their face.
I was in line at Hartford well before the doors opened and nobody told me about this list.
That "list" is the definition of elitist.
What if they but something like this in the pit? After every song, 20 people gotta move over..
That would mean everyone gets the rail at one point!!
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Why? It's not more then an extra measures not have idiots cut in or anything or start a debate over your place when you've been to the bathroom.
It's not like having a number gives you any privileges, you still have to sit there and wait - and to my knowledge from my one show in the US people did just that, sat on their ass and waited. At least where I was sitting.
My experience with the list in the US is only one show, but it was handled great compared to Europe. Less douchebags that cut in at least.
I can't speak for your experience as I wasn't there and have no first hand experience of US queues. However, we aren't with the 'in crowd' and are both fairly quiet. When we first encountered 'the list' we had absolutely no idea about it. Somehow we figured it out, we asked what was with the numbers and was there anything we needed to do and we're told all about the idea. You put your name down when you're in line, get a number and should locations change etc. or when the official line location is put in place by the venue, we can keep track of where everyone was in line.
Sounded like a decent idea. Still think it is, I've met some absolutely fantastic people over the years through lining up (and a few not so
I'm sorry if no-one told you about it and that you didn't notice numbers on hands etc., I totally understand your frustration about it if you feel you were screwed over. I hope your future experiences are more positive!
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Not such a fan of another line- but I like the idea of people enjoying the rail for a few songs and then letting somebody else belly up. I've been to bunch of shows- never been on the rail and had a kick ass time- everytime. Can we stop treating the rail like it is so precious? Listen to Eddie.... the selfish they're all standing in line......
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