Help me and Follow me on my quest to learn Guitar through PJ

mjd327
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So yeah..anyways I'm a college student and I want to learn the guitar. That's about it really. I have mild experience but not really. I've tried on and off for years. I know all the chords and stuff, and have had lessons here and there so I'm not a total novice, but that's about it. I can't play any actual songs.
I would like to learn, and I started a topic, where people gave me some resources for tabs and stuff like that. And I decided that the best way to do this would be to post my progress as I go so people can tell me why I suck and help follow me as I hopefully get better and learn to play things?
I'm open to doing this however, and taking whatever advice I get - what songs to play, technique, lessons to look at...I dunno I'd like you to guys to help me out and follow me in my "journey."
I don't have a guitar teacher and will teach myself but figured this whole forum could be my guitar teachers. YEAH!
So I started by trying to learn two songs...Lukin, and Satan's Bed. They seemed really simple. (Also I might not learn every song at once, might learn bits and pieces.) I made two videos which...well they're not exact. Pretty much just the pieces. Remember: I really suck at the guitar. I don't know exactly what I'm doing wrong, so you guys can tell me. I know this is terrible but I'm putting myself out there anyways, so yeah.
Satan's Bed (Just shortened verse and two choruses. I can't tell why my chords sound so bad, and I dunno if I'm strumming wrong but it sounds like I'm breaking the strings or something.):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yAlaDArrRM
Lukin (I added a second chorus I don't really know why. I sang along a bit but if you guys want I won't do that, I didn't even try to sound like Eddie I pretty much went through the motions because well, I can't actually sound like Eddie Vedder. My Marshall amp sucks because if I add distortion it suddenly becomes really loud and I dunno how to get audio straight to my computer, and I can't play that loudly in an apartment, so clean tone on everything.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2m3SWyatMA
So yeah. This is where we begin. Maybe we'll end with me playing well! Or maybe I'll always suck. I dunno....what do I play now? do I keep working on these or try something easier? Does this topic get totally ignored or will we continue for months? Who knows! Let's see!
I would like to learn, and I started a topic, where people gave me some resources for tabs and stuff like that. And I decided that the best way to do this would be to post my progress as I go so people can tell me why I suck and help follow me as I hopefully get better and learn to play things?
I'm open to doing this however, and taking whatever advice I get - what songs to play, technique, lessons to look at...I dunno I'd like you to guys to help me out and follow me in my "journey."
I don't have a guitar teacher and will teach myself but figured this whole forum could be my guitar teachers. YEAH!
So I started by trying to learn two songs...Lukin, and Satan's Bed. They seemed really simple. (Also I might not learn every song at once, might learn bits and pieces.) I made two videos which...well they're not exact. Pretty much just the pieces. Remember: I really suck at the guitar. I don't know exactly what I'm doing wrong, so you guys can tell me. I know this is terrible but I'm putting myself out there anyways, so yeah.
Satan's Bed (Just shortened verse and two choruses. I can't tell why my chords sound so bad, and I dunno if I'm strumming wrong but it sounds like I'm breaking the strings or something.):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yAlaDArrRM
Lukin (I added a second chorus I don't really know why. I sang along a bit but if you guys want I won't do that, I didn't even try to sound like Eddie I pretty much went through the motions because well, I can't actually sound like Eddie Vedder. My Marshall amp sucks because if I add distortion it suddenly becomes really loud and I dunno how to get audio straight to my computer, and I can't play that loudly in an apartment, so clean tone on everything.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2m3SWyatMA
So yeah. This is where we begin. Maybe we'll end with me playing well! Or maybe I'll always suck. I dunno....what do I play now? do I keep working on these or try something easier? Does this topic get totally ignored or will we continue for months? Who knows! Let's see!
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As a dude who completely blows at guitar, I have very little to offer you other than my best wishes. Keep at it bro!0
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justinguitar.com0
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Also I tried this one before giving up because I'm ruining a Top 3 Pearl Jam song.
Elderly Woman:
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I would suggest learning some power chords to make songs like "Lukin" much easier. Also, timing is a big part of playing. Just listen to the songs and play along. Your timing will drastically improve by using this simple technique.2009: Philly 3 & 4
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InsideMan wrote:I would suggest learning some power chords to make songs like "Lukin" much easier. Also, timing is a big part of playing. Just listen to the songs and play along. Your timing will drastically improve by using this simple technique.
Yeah I know the power chords but for some reason I can't jump between them.0 -
Looks like we gots ourselves a Cobain here! Are you a lefty?
Anyways, I'll pass on some advice. First of all: Your attitude towards learning appears to be right in check. I sense a "fuck it" attitude and that's all the motivation I think one really needs. Don't lose that.
So, how long have you been playing in total then?? I was seriously impressed by your coordination to be able to sing while playing rather coherently and in sync. This skill took me two years to even ATTEMPT to try. So, if you're able to sing and play this early on, you've got some ground covered.
Finger exercises will do you nothing but GOOD! Try this and do it often to build finger strength. It's like "wax-on, wax-off" Daniel Son! You can't just start learning how to drop-kick and karate chop young squire. You've got to put in the time and learn some technique
Put your first finger on the low E string and then take your 2nd finger and hammer on, then pull off of the 2nd fret on the same string. Repeat until your finger gets exhausted. Keep your first finger on the first fret, and when your 2nd finger gets exhausted, take your 3rd finger and hammer on and pull off on the 3rd fret, same string. Do that until exhaustion. Then take your 4th finger and hammer on and pull off on the 4th fret until exhaustion. Do it as fast as you can. Once your 4th finger is exhausted, start working your way back down to the first finger. ie, when the 4th finger (pinky finger) is exhausted from hammering on and pulling off of the 4th fret (remember to keep your first finger glued to the first fret throughout this), then move back to your 3rd finger and hammer on and pull off on the 3rd fret and work your way back to the first finger. Repeat this process until your hand goes "Upside down face Stewie Griffin" on ya. Then, move up your whole position to the 2nd fret and repeat the whole thing. Then move it up to the 3rd fret and repeat. Then up to the 4th fret. The point of all of this is to start training your brain (well, your fingers really) the amount of space between each fret to the point it becomes 2nd nature. I've been playing for 17 years and I still do this exercise. Do this all over the guitar. Once your done on the low E string, do it on the A string and go all the way up the fret board. Then do it on the D string. etc. etc. You won't be able to do this for very long when you're first learning guitar, but don't forget this exercise and repeat it often.
String bending: similar to the above exercise except, instead of hammer-ons and pull-offs, do string bending. Bend the strings up, and bend them down. Starting, again, with your first finger on the low E string, first fret. Take your 2nd finger and just start bending the string up and down on the 2nd fret until the pain sets in. Keep your first finger on the 1st fret and take your 3rd finger and start bending the string up and down on the 3rd fret. Keep going with this, moving up to your 4th finger, then work your way back down to your first finger. Then move your position up to the 2nd fret and repeat it. Do this all over the guitar. Forever. Until you die.
Keep up with them tabs. Grab a printer and print off all the songs you want to learn and fill up a 3 inch binder.
Play with your eyes closed. Start doing this now.
Curious as to what kind of strings your using? Just be aware that there are some strings that are easier to play with than others. A good set of strings will run ya $20. D'Addario Phosphor Bronze (whatever guage you prefer: light, medium or heavy) are great strings. Elixer's are good as well and worth experimenting with.
The rest, young squire, is up to you. Keep on rockin!Vancouver '03, Paramount Theatre '05, Saskatoon '05, Calgary '05, Edmonton '05, Saskatoon '11, Calgary '11, Calgary '13
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Best of luck!! I just started a year ago, but I agree, follow Justin's beginner course and then go from there (finger exercises, etc., are great). One thing I did at the beginning was time the number of times I could switch between 2 chords in a minute, to get my speed down. Justin has a video lesson on that I think. If you're having a hard time with chord changes I think that's a good place to start.0
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Good luck! Tho I don't have much advice for you!..... Driftin' seems pretty simple.0
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You're doing really well for a beginner. Some advice. Try to slow it down and focus on the rhythms of the strumming. It's easier to keep in time when it's slower. Try playing along with the studio versions. PJ songs are often much faster live. Just keep playing with the record over and over and over. The more you practice the better you'll get.2003: Madison Square Garden 1
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It's also harder trying to sing and play at the same time when you're starting out because sometimes the vocal timing is different than the guitar rhythm timing.2003: Madison Square Garden 1
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evsgjamm wrote:Looks like we gots ourselves a Cobain here! Are you a lefty?
Haha, didn't even notice until you said that but while I am lefty, I play guitar right-handed (for no real reason besides that that's how I did it on guitar hero lol). The reason it looks lefty is because I'm using Photo Booth on my Mac to record and it's flipping the video (since it records you like you're looking into a mirror)
Just seemed like the easiest way to record things for the computer.
Now, as for experience. Since around...9th grade or maybe even a little before I've been trying to play on and off, but never stuck with it for more than a little while. I took a couple lessons but never practiced much, mostly because I had to practice piano and do homework and stuff, and so I learned the chords but was never able to play any songs or anything.
Then I got Rocksmith for my Xbox and thought it was fun and wanted to get better at guitar, and since Ive gotten majorly into Pearl Jam I thought it'd be fun to finally learn how to do stuff by using Pearl Jam songs as a motivation.
As for how long I've been playing in total, it's been so on and off I don't know exactly how to quantify it. I guess I'm not a total beginner in that I know the basic technique and I know the chords and stuff like that, and power chords etc, but I never have actually played any songs or solos or anything.
I don't remember what my strings are...I'll have to check when I'm home from school for Thanksgiving. I do know I probably should change them as I probably haven't changed my strings in years (But haven't played much either).
Also it's good advice when people said I should play with the studio versions, that should help me time especially because I have live versions stuck in my head (As seen by Lukin and Satan's bed being especially fast lmao)
Any songs that are even easier than those? Someone said Driftin is pretty easy? How about other acoustic songs like Thumbin my Way and Thin Air? Thin Air didn't seem so bad or corduroy, I looked at basics on them, but I want one that I can like perfect and say "Okay I know that one now"0 -
My take on Driftin after practicing for like a half hour. This is a good choice for a beginner song I think. Tuning down the guitar was weird...I don't think it's quite right but it's close enough I guess. It's literally three chords (G,C,D) but switching between them for me was good practice. I still need work (I always only "sort of" get the chord) but it's the closest I've got in any of my songs I think so far haha. My goal is to be able to check off that I know every Pearl Jam song (OR CLOSE at least lol). Not quite ready to check this one off as completed, but it's going to be probably the easiest one to do.
Driftin:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1xkBgpd3H8
BTW if anybody has a better way for me to record video I do have a Rocksmith cable that can hook my guitar up to GarageBand but I've never done it. Let me know if there's a better way to make these videos.0 -
BHealy wrote:Best of luck!! I just started a year ago, but I agree, follow Justin's beginner course and then go from there (finger exercises, etc., are great). One thing I did at the beginning was time the number of times I could switch between 2 chords in a minute, to get my speed down. Justin has a video lesson on that I think. If you're having a hard time with chord changes I think that's a good place to start.
Im going through the courses now like you guys said in addition to working on the songs I've been posting. I think it's a good idea. I mean I know how to do the chords, but I never really worked on the changes and it's really helpful for how he breaks it down so much that I can pick up on things I missed (I never really perfected the A chord).
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Some may have differing opinions but I've always thought it was best to learn on an acoustic.
This helps tremendously with finger strength. You'll notice a vast improvement when you move back to the electric.
As far as PJ songs are concerned: start with all the open chord based songs and get that down (seems like you've basically been doing this). Elderly, driftin, not for you, long road, thin air, etc...
Also, I applaud you putting yourself out there. I've been playing guitar (and a lot of PJ at that) for 15 years or more and do not have the balls to post videos of me playing.
Another good song that incorporates some easy finger picking and a pretty easy open chord chorus is Betterman. But save that (it) for later. See what I did there?
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mjd327 wrote:evsgjamm wrote:Any songs that are even easier than those? Someone said Driftin is pretty easy? How about other acoustic songs like Thumbin my Way and Thin Air? Thin Air didn't seem so bad or corduroy, I looked at basics on them, but I want one that I can like perfect and say "Okay I know that one now"
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bchagnon wrote:Some may have differing opinions but I've always thought it was best to learn on an acoustic.
This helps tremendously with finger strength. You'll notice a vast improvement when you move back to the electric.
As far as PJ songs are concerned: start with all the open chord based songs and get that down (seems like you've basically been doing this). Elderly, driftin, not for you, long road, thin air, etc...
Also, I applaud you putting yourself out there. I've been playing guitar (and a lot of PJ at that) for 15 years or more and do not have the balls to post videos of me playing.
I agree- Elderly Woman...is the first PJ song I learned to play all the way through- here's a lesson that I found super helpful. http://youtu.be/eAEndKstO7w
I also, mostly, agree with the idea of learning on an acoustic to start with. I'm a beginner too, I've just been playing for a year, so keep that in mind when you're reading thisI found that I did develop finger strength starting on an acoustic, but I do have trouble sometimes pressing too hard on the higher strings on my electric and changing the tone.
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Practice. That's how you get the strumming, picking, chord changes. I'm not being a smart ass. Pick up that guitar and play every spare second you can. It will improve.0
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Years ago I took No Code to my guitar teacher wanting to learn to play Off He Goes. He said I wasn't quite there yet but tabbed out Habit for me. That was actually pretty simple. Drop D tuning and some power chords. I don't have the tabs in front of me or anything and the solo is quite a different animal but that may be one you could play with the distortion for sure. I had a great time playing that one until I hung the guitar up for a while. I recently started picking mine up again and want to go on a similar quest as you. Best of luck."Not only do you have sunshine but you have better thunder...fuckers." -Ed, Phx 10/21/00
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Thumbing My Way is a pretty simple one to learn tooA child's rhyme stuck in my head...
It said "Life is nothing but a dream."
I've spent so many years in question
To find I'd known this all along.0
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