(UPDATED) Trying to stay out of the Obamacare debate...

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Isn't the website a bridge to the ACA?

    That, or phone?

    We here have had no luck getting a foot in...and I wear a mere 6-1/2.

    We want in, goddamnit! Actually, he needs in...will, at some point and many others are in the same canoe.

    Beavers...your comment about June 2014. That's when we'll have a better grasp on whether this was a success or failure?

    For all that was supposedly put into this HUGE undertaking...what grand and glorious fuckery.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    hedonist wrote:
    Isn't the website a bridge to the ACA?

    That, or phone?

    We here have had no luck getting a foot in...and I wear a mere 6-1/2.

    We want in, goddamnit! Actually, he needs in...will, at some point and many others are in the same canoe.

    Beavers...your comment about June 2014. That's when we'll have a better grasp on whether this was a success or failure?

    For all that was supposedly put into this HUGE undertaking...what grand and glorious fuckery.

    I threw June out there because that's when people will have been paying and utilizing their insurance for awhile. Right now, people are just trying to buy tickets, but the show isn't for another few months. It's too early to say the show sucks.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Go Beavers wrote:
    I threw June out there because that's when people will have been paying and utilizing their insurance for awhile. Right now, people are just trying to buy tickets, but the show isn't for another few months. It's too early to say the show sucks.
    But the folks trying to sell the tickets are the ones running the show, no? Producing it?

    My fingers are crossed that the end product won't be as abysmal as its poorly-planned beginning.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    hedonist wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:
    I threw June out there because that's when people will have been paying and utilizing their insurance for awhile. Right now, people are just trying to buy tickets, but the show isn't for another few months. It's too early to say the show sucks.
    But the folks trying to sell the tickets are the ones running the show, no? Producing it?

    My fingers are crossed that the end product won't be as abysmal as its poorly-planned beginning.

    The state's only involved on the front end when getting people signed up. Private insurance companies follow through on the coverage and reimbursement to providers (within the guidelines set by the ACA).
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    Wow. I just read on NBC that the administration had expected all along that roughly 50 to 75% of insured Americans will lose their existing coverage because of this bullshit law. One insider said they had anticipated as many as 80% would lose their coverage within the first year.

    Unbelievable.

    People are stupid for supporting ANY of these idiots.
  • Rocket Surgeon
    Rocket Surgeon Posts: 25
    edited October 2013
    We lost our insurance about 5 years ago, with the exception of one year in which I was lucky enough to gain coverage through an employer. My high deductible was met December 27th. Overall my year of insurance increased my out of pocket expenses $14,000 that year.

    I gave up and just paid cash for years, but some months prescriptions alone cost over $400. It can be untenable.

    I've tried to stay out of this debate. I don't think the plan was put together well, especially with politicians exempting themselves from it. That tells a story. But given my current financial state and our new state of residence, my girls and I now qualify for a reasonable plan and get a little tax credit to make it affordable. It's hard to continue the anti- obamacare debate with people when at the moment it's actually looking like it might help us. But it looks like we're a minority.

    My heart goes out to those in the opposite situation as ours.
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  • Pingfah
    Pingfah Posts: 350
    ajedigecko wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:
    ajedigecko wrote:
    Drama...?

    We were labeled terrorist before the failed website.

    By who?


    ...reid said anarchist.


    This wagon said this.

    Senior White House Adviser Dan Pfeifer said: “What we’re not for [is] negotiating with people with a bomb strapped to their chest. We’re not going to do that.”

    Er, no. You were labelled that for trying to run the country and the entire world economy off a cliff in response to this single issue. He was absolutely right. For all your incessant whining about ACA, the consequences of your brinksmanship would have been far worse than the thing you were trying to fight.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    Shawshank wrote:
    Wow. I just read on NBC that the administration had expected all along that roughly 50 to 75% of insured Americans will lose their existing coverage because of this bullshit law. One insider said they had anticipated as many as 80% would lose their coverage within the first year.

    Unbelievable.

    People are stupid for supporting ANY of these idiots.
    Don't worry. They say it will all be fixed by the end of November ... although they didn't clarify which calendar year it would fall under ...

    :think:
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote:
    Don't worry. They say it will all be fixed by the end of November ... although they didn't clarify which calendar year it would fall under ...

    :think:
    Yeah. I have zero faith and confidence in anything they're pledging on this.

    I'm fortunate that my premiums increased only 10% (my company is picking up the HUGE difference for now), but my husband's COBRA plan is up soon - rate of $550 per month - and to add him to mine will cost $600. Started shopping around but can't even get information from the official website.

    "Affordable" Care Act, my ass.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    hedonist wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Don't worry. They say it will all be fixed by the end of November ... although they didn't clarify which calendar year it would fall under ...

    :think:
    Yeah. I have zero faith and confidence in anything they're pledging on this.

    I'm fortunate that my premiums increased only 10% (my company is picking up the HUGE difference for now), but my husband's COBRA plan is up soon - rate of $550 per month - and to add him to mine will cost $600. Started shopping around but can't even get information from the official website.

    "Affordable" Care Act, my ass.

    His is $550, to put him on yours is $600, and then your complaint is with the ACA? but you don't even know what a plan for him would cost in the new system?

    10% increases in premiums has been pretty routine for about the last 10 to 15 years.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Go Beavers wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    Yeah. I have zero faith and confidence in anything they're pledging on this.

    I'm fortunate that my premiums increased only 10% (my company is picking up the HUGE difference for now), but my husband's COBRA plan is up soon - rate of $550 per month - and to add him to mine will cost $600. Started shopping around but can't even get information from the official website.

    "Affordable" Care Act, my ass.

    His is $550, to put him on yours is $600, and then your complaint is with the ACA? but you don't even know what a plan for him would cost in the new system?

    10% increases in premiums has been pretty routine for about the last 10 to 15 years.
    My complaint (one of them) is that by now, we SHOULD know what the cost would be.

    And the 10% increase in my case is only what was passed on to the employees in my company. As said above, there was a drastic increase that my company is generously covering.

    Look, I admire anyone who can maintain optimism in the midst of this clusterfuck. I'm just not one of them.
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QqQIwAA&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57609737/obamacare-more-than-2-million-people-getting-booted-from-existing-health-insurance-plans/&ei=hNBvUr2VHYS0ygGfyIDAAw&usg=AFQjCNG19sjDQaQxdJtzwCq6IAQOt8X5mg&bvm=bv.55123115,d.aWc


    I'm not one for media biased conspiracies and such, but when CBS and NBC are running stories like this, and the one that I posted about, it really has to make you wonder how bad the situation really is.

    I wonder when people will finally begin to understand...the government isn't smarter than you...they don't know what is better for you...they can't provide for you...and they don't care about you.
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,843
    Shawshank wrote:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QqQIwAA&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57609737/obamacare-more-than-2-million-people-getting-booted-from-existing-health-insurance-plans/&ei=hNBvUr2VHYS0ygGfyIDAAw&usg=AFQjCNG19sjDQaQxdJtzwCq6IAQOt8X5mg&bvm=bv.55123115,d.aWc


    I'm not one for media biased conspiracies and such, but when CBS and NBC are running stories like this, and the one that I posted about, it really has to make you wonder how bad the situation really is.

    I wonder when people will finally begin to understand...the government isn't smarter than you...they don't know what is better for you...they can't provide for you...and they don't care about you.
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 3115,d.aWc
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    Shawshank wrote:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QqQIwAA&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57609737/obamacare-more-than-2-million-people-getting-booted-from-existing-health-insurance-plans/&ei=hNBvUr2VHYS0ygGfyIDAAw&usg=AFQjCNG19sjDQaQxdJtzwCq6IAQOt8X5mg&bvm=bv.55123115,d.aWc


    I'm not one for media biased conspiracies and such, but when CBS and NBC are running stories like this, and the one that I posted about, it really has to make you wonder how bad the situation really is.

    I wonder when people will finally begin to understand...the government isn't smarter than you...they don't know what is better for you...they can't provide for you...and they don't care about you.
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 3115,d.aWc

    You mean the federal government lied to us to get an agenda through? Not really new, and for me it's lower on the scale than yellow cake uranium. I suppose what we're seeing is people in a panic about being in uninsured limbo come January 1st, which is understandable.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    Kathleen Sebelius has offered herself as the sacrificial lamb ...

    "Hold me accountable for the debacle. I'm responsible," Sebelius said, under heated questioning from Rep. Marsha Blackburn

    http://www.businessinsider.com/kathleen-sebelius-testimony-obamacare-website-debacle-2013-10

    Was she the sole responsible person who authorized $500M for a website and earmarked $2,000,000,000 to run it in 2014? If so, I find her to be quite remarkable. If not, I wonder what her kickback will be for taking one for the team?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote:
    Kathleen Sebelius has offered herself as the sacrificial lamb ...

    "Hold me accountable for the debacle. I'm responsible," Sebelius said, under heated questioning from Rep. Marsha Blackburn

    http://www.businessinsider.com/kathleen-sebelius-testimony-obamacare-website-debacle-2013-10

    Was she the sole responsible person who authorized $500M for a website and earmarked $2,000,000,000 to run it in 2014? If so, I find her to be quite remarkable. If not, I wonder what her kickback will be for taking one for the team?
    I wonder the same.

    And this kinda pisses me off -
    "She said that the site has never “crashed” but is functional — just unreliable and slow."

    Oh, okay. Something can be functional but unreliable; this makes complete sense.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    hedonist wrote:
    And this kinda pisses me off -
    "She said that the site has never “crashed” but is functional — just unreliable and slow."

    Oh, okay. Something can be functional but unreliable; this makes complete sense.
    While she was testifying, CNN did a split-screen of her talking and the Care.Gov Website ... which was displaying "The System Is Down for the Moment. Please Try Again Later"

    :fp: :lol:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/kathleen-sebelius-healthcare-gov-testimony-obamacare-website-2013-10

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    Sebelius was asked if she would enroll in ACA insurance and she answered that she could not because she was enrolled in her workplace insurance program .... AND SHE WAS WRONG!!! She can! It gives directions on the website how to do so!

    How could she get that question wrong. She is supposed to be the MFIC.

    :?

    No one knows how this thing works. Romneycare worked in a state that has just over six million residents and they just assumed it would work when rolled out to over 300 million residents.

    I don't fault them. Hell, it's only a plan that makes the bible look like a sunday toilet read and whose sparse details on how it works only came out about three years after it was signed a law. What could go wrong?
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  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    So the Repulicans don't like it. And the website is shite. But can somebody who isn't a money chaser please explain to me why everybody, should not have health care.

    If somebody goes into emergency and can't afford the bill after having their life saved, who picks up that bill? And if it is indeed the tax payer, then what is the problem of having everybody under the umbrella?

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

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