qur'an & violence against women/girls

fuck wrote:

I think most importantly, it is important to understand what Fazlur Rahman called the double understanding practice. This means taking a verse from the Quran, understanding the context in which it was revealed, and then understanding the general principle it was meant to establish, so that we may apply that in our own time. Most Muslims would not go for public stonings or lashings today, and it was a practice that was extremely rare in even medieval times. As I said before, when British generals arrived in India in the late 1700s for what would begin the colonization/expropriation of the land there, they were shocked at how lenient the judicial system was. It was Western colonial powers that introduced Draconian measures in an otherwise lenient system. Contrast that to today's Western perception of the Islam as being Draconian and barbaric, with absolutely no reference to what led to what was once a system that worked considerably well at being Just, turning into the mess it is today.

Thank you for your efforts here. I think this last paragraph speaks very well to some misunderstandings and to a portion of Islam's evolution (history).

The passage I initially quoted was only one I had read. I noted several times in various other passages the language which spoke to forgiveness. The consistent theme of this was not lost on me.

I do feel very strongly for these 'events' we have spoken of. I feel horrible thinking of the conditions to which a woman may have been put to death under such circumstances. I understand they do not happen with great frequency. I understand the overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful and many likely abhor these things more than I.

Be very clear that I am not attacking Islam in any way no matter how I might have presented things. I wish to speak only to the 'practices' that we know have occurred. It feels as if you might be personalizing (for lack of better word) the criticisms of such events. If any exchanges have contributed to you feeling under attack, please understand that this was not my intent. I have much respect for your contributions. I still remember the first line of the first post you wrote- where to begin?

Have a good day.

aerial wrote:

chadwick wrote:

http://www.examiner.com/article/victim-sentenced-200-lashes-by-saudi-court?cid=taboola_inbound
here is another lovely story of a gang raped woman sentenced to 90 lashes. her lawyer appealed & spoke out to the world community bringing her lashes up to 200 in the sharia courts.

she was in a car with a former high school student (a male) getting a photo from him & she broke the law of segregation of the sexes.

two men then got in the car & drove them to a remote area where 5 other men were waiting. the 7 men beat & raped her & attacked her friend.

what a wonderful place & just a smashily fantastic bunch of fucking cavemen scumbags

her lawyer got his license taken away & will go to court in a month for announcing this case to the world's news outlets

People on here have written paragraph after paragraph that these things do not happen....when are you going to believe that Muslims do not kill there own daughters, kill there own wives, rape little boys and stone women for being raped? just because reputable sites post the News does not mean it happened! On the MT .....

"It is easier to fool people than It is to convince people that they have been fooled.'

no one has EVER said these things do not happen. people just refuse to believe what you believe....that the faith/religion/culture is to blame for the atrocities that DO happen.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

aerial wrote:

chadwick wrote:

http://www.examiner.com/article/victim-sentenced-200-lashes-by-saudi-court?cid=taboola_inbound
here is another lovely story of a gang raped woman sentenced to 90 lashes. her lawyer appealed & spoke out to the world community bringing her lashes up to 200 in the sharia courts.

she was in a car with a former high school student (a male) getting a photo from him & she broke the law of segregation of the sexes.

two men then got in the car & drove them to a remote area where 5 other men were waiting. the 7 men beat & raped her & attacked her friend.

what a wonderful place & just a smashily fantastic bunch of fucking cavemen scumbags

her lawyer got his license taken away & will go to court in a month for announcing this case to the world's news outlets

People on here have written paragraph after paragraph that these things do not happen....when are you going to believe that Muslims do not kill there own daughters, kill there own wives, rape little boys and stone women for being raped? just because reputable sites post the News does not mean it happened! On the MT .....

"It is easier to fool people than It is to convince people that they have been fooled.'

no one has EVER said these things do not happen. people just refuse to believe what you believe....that the faith/religion/culture is to blame for the atrocities that DO happen.

Don't bother to talk the common sense. Don't you see some people in here seem to oversee logic and common sense?? They are the same people who pretend they wanna learn but at the same time the only thing they can accept are videos, articles or opinions that agree with their prefixed, ignorant view.