What is wrong with this thinking?

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,750
    Drowned Out wrote:
    What if none of it matters?
    What if there is no god, no afterlife, no soul to save, and no meaning to it all?
    What if we stopped worrying about the planet? She has no thought for us....She will eventually murder us in our sleep and WIN the war we've waged, anyway...What if there is no reason for tolerance?...fuck the lifeforms we destroy along the way; morality is a man-made construct anyway.
    Why should we believe differently? Because the blades of grass called your name when you were really fucking high, or because that one time you got a nature chub while watching chipmunks play at sunset? Because I heard a noise in the next room while thinking of a dead relative or noticed an odd trick of light in a photo? Because a dream came true, or someone played connect the dots on a star map, or because hallmark told me love conquers all? Is it because we were told to believe in believing, and that 'faith' is something accepted by sane men? God, a higher power, nature, love, 'science'....what if all faith is blind? What if nihilism is...
    And to think I called myself an idealist, just a few hours ago....

    :wave:

    Yeah, there is that. Stuck between the idealist and the nihilist. I get it. :)

    This is getting good but- rats- must get some sleep. Keep it up- I'll catch up with ya'll later.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    backseatLover12 wrote:
    I apologize if the 'Um' sounds abrasive, I didn't mean it that way. Rather, what you wrote does tend to sound like tolerance to me, and to hear that it's not what you think of the word threw me because the word 'toleration' would mean to put up with someone or something begrudginly.


    From http://grammarist.com/usage/tolerance-toleration/
    Toleration also comes up often in reference to reluctant sorts of tolerance. Think cats and dogs living together, neighboring peoples who were recently at war with each other, or law-enforcement agencies that look the other way on minor traffic offenses. This sense probably came about because tolerance, a defining quality of a progressive modern society, has positive connotations, while toleration of this sort is not positive, but thorny and precarious.

    Toleration has also recently been defined as a particular act of tolerance, but we’re having trouble finding 21st-century examples that bear this out (which is not to say they’re not out there somewhere—we’ll add them if we find them).



    From http://www.kdab.afcent.af.mil/news/stor ... =123185468

    What's the difference between tolerance and toleration?
    My apologies too. That word rubbed (rubs) me the wrong way and I overreacted some. I think cate and I have similar views on it - an appearance-type thing (but, to echo Brian - all views are appreciated here).
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Drowned Out wrote:
    What if none of it matters?
    What if there is no god, no afterlife, no soul to save, and no meaning to it all?
    What if we stopped worrying about the planet? She has no thought for us....She will eventually murder us in our sleep and WIN the war we've waged, anyway...What if there is no reason for tolerance?...fuck the lifeforms we destroy along the way; morality is a man-made construct anyway.
    Why should we believe differently? Because the blades of grass called your name when you were really fucking high, or because that one time you got a nature chub while watching chipmunks play at sunset? Because I heard a noise in the next room while thinking of a dead relative or noticed an odd trick of light in a photo? Because a dream came true, or someone played connect the dots on a star map, or because hallmark told me love conquers all? Is it because we were told to believe in believing, and that 'faith' is something accepted by sane men? God, a higher power, nature, love, 'science'....what if all faith is blind? What if nihilism is...
    And to think I called myself an idealist, just a few hours ago....

    :wave:
    None of it DOES matter, at least on the overall scale. We live, die...(oh bla di, oh bla da).

    But on this (my?) tiny, insignificant scale, it all matters. It's what we make of our time, what and who we choose to love, to be around.

    My sweetheart and I are getting married next week, after years together. It means nothing to the world at large - nor should it - but to us? It means the world to these two little ants.

    Faith may be blind; maybe not. Love - real love - sees and accepts (not tolerates :mrgreen: ).

    We're just little ponds. So skip a few stones, watch them glide, see where the ripples go.

    Even appreciate where some of those ripples go. Some of the best effects are unintended.

    We're all connected :)
  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    hedonist wrote:
    None of it DOES matter, at least on the overall scale. We live, die...(oh bla di, oh bla da).

    But on this (my?) tiny, insignificant scale, it all matters. It's what we make of our time, what and who we choose to love, to be around.

    My sweetheart and I are getting married next week, after years together. It means nothing to the world at large - nor should it - but to us? It means the world to these two little ants.

    Faith may be blind; maybe not. Love - real love - sees and accepts (not tolerates :mrgreen: ).

    We're just little ponds. So skip a few stones, watch them glide, see where the ripples go.

    Even appreciate where some of those ripples go. Some of the best effects are unintended.

    We're all connected :)

    Nice post. 8-)

    And Congrats!
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    backseatLover12 wrote:
    Nice post. 8-)

    And Congrats!
    Thank you x2 ;)
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,750
    Congratulations, Hedonist! :D

    And, OK backseat, your turn not to put me on ignore. Or whatever. No schweddy. :)
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux wrote:
    Congratulations, Hedonist! :D

    And, OK backseat, your turn not to put me on ignore. Or whatever. No schweddy. :)
    Thanks, bud :)
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

    Holy f*ck! How do you propose we off over 90% of the population? There could be resistance. Sure, I'd love to skate through traffic with little to no congestion during rush hour just like anyone else...or go to Disney World and hop right on Space Mountain without having to wait...but damn!
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Shawshank wrote:
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

    Holy f*ck! How do you propose we off over 90% of the population? There could be resistance. Sure, I'd love to skate through traffic with little to no congestion during rush hour just like anyone else...or go to Disney World and hop right on Space Mountain without having to wait...but damn!

    I don't.
    these are the "commandments" from The Georgia Guidestones (i linked to it in my post)
    and that line is the one that gets the most attention from conspiracy theorists and the like.
    It is troubling \ confusing to me as well, since the Guidestones were erected in 1979 when the global population was already 4.5 billion. Also, it is "signed" by "R. C. Christian", very clearly "Rosicrucian", a nominally "christian" branch of The Mystery Schools \ The Illuminati, that is supposed to be dedicated to helping enlighten humanity, elevate their consciousness, and provide them with the training needed to make contact with their soul. They shouldn't be in the business of killing anyone, since they are a white magic order. I dunno. It's a head scratcher at best.
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Shawshank wrote:
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

    Holy f*ck! How do you propose we off over 90% of the population? There could be resistance. Sure, I'd love to skate through traffic with little to no congestion during rush hour just like anyone else...or go to Disney World and hop right on Space Mountain without having to wait...but damn!

    I don't.
    these are the "commandments" from The Georgia Guidestones (i linked to it in my post)
    and that line is the one that gets the most attention from conspiracy theorists and the like.
    It is troubling \ confusing to me as well, since the Guidestones were erected in 1979 when the global population was already 4.5 billion. Also, it is "signed" by "R. C. Christian", very clearly "Rosicrucian", a nominally "christian" branch of The Mystery Schools \ The Illuminati, that is supposed to be dedicated to helping enlighten humanity, elevate their consciousness, and provide them with the training needed to make contact with their soul. They shouldn't be in the business of killing anyone, since they are a white magic order. I dunno. It's a head scratcher at best.


    ...the guidestones...one of the few places i would like to perform vandalism.





    The song remains the same
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    ajedigecko wrote:
    ...the guidestones...one of the few places i would like to perform vandalism.

    Over the population line alone?
    9 out of 10 of those are completely admirable goals.
    The one about population, I will admit, is certainly troubling.
    It's hard to draw much conclusion since we can't ask the stones any follow up questions, though.
    :/
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    well, fwiw, here is a wired article that among other things discussed, mentions someone who is an expert on the Hermetic tradition who claims that the Rosicrucians are aware of (and pass down) knowledge of a 13,000 year solar cycle that produces "outsized solar flares" that will devastate humanity.

    The line thus reads not as an excuse to off 9\10ths of humanity,
    but as a call to maintain sound populations after a solar apocalypse.

    Who knows.
    I've not encountered any such alleged knowledge in my esoteric searching.
    i know The Golden Dawn was on about pole reversal in one of their manifestos which is in a book I have, but I've never seen any documentation from *any* of the illuminist orders claiming knowledge of a destructive solar cycle. But I guess I'll start looking now. :D
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    If I opened it now would you not understand?

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