Well Brianlux,
Tolerance is the wrong word.
We as a People have been doing it for years.
Adherence is more like it.
If we only practiced what we preached.
I'm not so sure it's about a new word; that's semantics.
Me, I tend to find comments prefaced by "Um" to be a bit rude and condescending; if I've misread the prior post, apologies.
And actually, even if I didn't misread?
All's well and the world is still doing its thing.
Yeah, "um". I try more and more to avoid that.
And yes, it's just semantics but I love good words- even to the point of driving myself batty looking for just the right word at times. (The closest books within reach at my desk are my dictionary, thesaurus and my favorite reference book, my Kipfer, The Writer's Digest Flip Dictionary.
In any case, I was hoping YOU, hedonist, would have just the right word.
Um, c'mon, spit it out.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
sometimes I think tolerance and tolerate have a negative connotation. who wants to be merely tolerated? tis as if someone is saying we'll be civilised towards you for appearances sake when really we don't want to have anything to do with you.
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sometimes I think tolerance and tolerate have a negative connotation. who wants to be merely tolerated? tis as if someone is saying we'll be civilised towards you for appearances sake when really we don't want to have anything to do with you.
Right, Cate! I think I would rather have people who really don't care for sexagenarians (just to use a personal example and beside, it's a cool word ) ignore me rather than "tolerate" me. So how about "accepting"? Is that closer? I'd rather someone say, "So, you're a sexagenarian? No biggie, I can accept that," or ignore me rather than say, "Yeah, ok, you're a sexagenarian, I guess I can tolerate that".
And getting back to original thought in this thread, if that became more the norm than maybe at least my premise #four would not be too far fetched.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Now, I feel as though I'm just being tolerated here, with no one acknowledging my post as to the difference in the two words...
That's alright, I've gotten the feeling since starting to post on this forum, that you're a tight knit group with no room for a new and different face with a differing perspective.
Now, I feel as though I'm just being tolerated here, with no one acknowledging my post as to the difference in the two words...
That's alright, I've gotten the feeling since starting to post on this forum, that you're a tight knit group with no room for a new and different face with a differing perspective.
It does seem like this is a "tight knit" group, backseatLover12, but I for one (and I'm sure others here too) very much appreciate seeing new and more posts from others here. Too often it's the same few people speaking up here so, I'm glad for your input- especially as it is well thought out and articulate. Don't go!
Personally, I'm fine with your take on tolerance. No major objections. I'm just looking for a word or phrase that is a better fit and maybe I'm the one who is short-sighted for not finding "tolerance" the right fit. I like "acceptance" but am still not sure that is the best term yet still, I myself used "tolerance" in the opening post because it is a term we are all familiar with.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
What's the difference between tolerance and toleration?
I read somewhere that tolerance is the process or act of acceptance without compromise whereas toleration is acceptance with compromise.
Also, words change and I've been around a while so seeing this modern definition of tolerance from dictionary.com I'm thinking better of it:
tol·er·ance, noun: a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
But the word still doesn't quite ring right for me. Too bad, so sad, eh?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
What if none of it matters?
What if there is no god, no afterlife, no soul to save, and no meaning to it all?
What if we stopped worrying about the planet? She has no thought for us....She will eventually murder us in our sleep and WIN the war we've waged, anyway...What if there is no reason for tolerance?...fuck the lifeforms we destroy along the way; morality is a man-made construct anyway.
Why should we believe differently? Because the blades of grass called your name when you were really fucking high, or because that one time you got a nature chub while watching chipmunks play at sunset? Because I heard a noise in the next room while thinking of a dead relative or noticed an odd trick of light in a photo? Because a dream came true, or someone played connect the dots on a star map, or because hallmark told me love conquers all? Is it because we were told to believe in believing, and that 'faith' is something accepted by sane men? God, a higher power, nature, love, 'science'....what if all faith is blind? What if nihilism is...
And to think I called myself an idealist, just a few hours ago....
What if none of it matters?
What if there is no god, no afterlife, no soul to save, and no meaning to it all?
What if we stopped worrying about the planet? She has no thought for us....She will eventually murder us in our sleep and WIN the war we've waged, anyway...What if there is no reason for tolerance?...fuck the lifeforms we destroy along the way; morality is a man-made construct anyway.
Why should we believe differently? Because the blades of grass called your name when you were really fucking high, or because that one time you got a nature chub while watching chipmunks play at sunset? Because I heard a noise in the next room while thinking of a dead relative or noticed an odd trick of light in a photo? Because a dream came true, or someone played connect the dots on a star map, or because hallmark told me love conquers all? Is it because we were told to believe in believing, and that 'faith' is something accepted by sane men? God, a higher power, nature, love, 'science'....what if all faith is blind? What if nihilism is...
And to think I called myself an idealist, just a few hours ago....
:wave:
there is no god... there is no afterlife... I believe I have a soul.. i call it my conscience. and the only meaning life has is that which we ourselves give it. the earth will not murder us in our sleep. we will cause our own destruction.. as for earth winning the war we are waging ... she may do by default cause she isn't at war with us... we are at war with her.. and ourselves.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
sometimes I think tolerance and tolerate have a negative connotation. who wants to be merely tolerated? tis as if someone is saying we'll be civilised towards you for appearances sake when really we don't want to have anything to do with you.
Right, Cate! I think I would rather have people who really don't care for sexagenarians (just to use a personal example and beside, it's a cool word ) ignore me rather than "tolerate" me. So how about "accepting"? Is that closer? I'd rather someone say, "So, you're a sexagenarian? No biggie, I can accept that," or ignore me rather than say, "Yeah, ok, you're a sexagenarian, I guess I can tolerate that".
And getting back to original thought in this thread, if that became more the norm than maybe at least my premise #four would not be too far fetched.
if I have a problem with someone it wont be because of their age, eye colour, height, place of birth or musical tastes. itll be because theyre either ignorant or an arsehole.. or maybe even both. if you, generally speaking, don't trepass against me and I wont have a problem with you. however if you fuck with me or those I hold closest then we will have a problem.
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hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
What if none of it matters?
What if there is no god, no afterlife, no soul to save, and no meaning to it all?
What if we stopped worrying about the planet? She has no thought for us....She will eventually murder us in our sleep and WIN the war we've waged, anyway...What if there is no reason for tolerance?...fuck the lifeforms we destroy along the way; morality is a man-made construct anyway.
Why should we believe differently? Because the blades of grass called your name when you were really fucking high, or because that one time you got a nature chub while watching chipmunks play at sunset? Because I heard a noise in the next room while thinking of a dead relative or noticed an odd trick of light in a photo? Because a dream came true, or someone played connect the dots on a star map, or because hallmark told me love conquers all? Is it because we were told to believe in believing, and that 'faith' is something accepted by sane men? God, a higher power, nature, love, 'science'....what if all faith is blind? What if nihilism is...
And to think I called myself an idealist, just a few hours ago....
:wave:
Yeah, there is that. Stuck between the idealist and the nihilist. I get it.
This is getting good but- rats- must get some sleep. Keep it up- I'll catch up with ya'll later.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I apologize if the 'Um' sounds abrasive, I didn't mean it that way. Rather, what you wrote does tend to sound like tolerance to me, and to hear that it's not what you think of the word threw me because the word 'toleration' would mean to put up with someone or something begrudginly.
From http://grammarist.com/usage/tolerance-toleration/
Toleration also comes up often in reference to reluctant sorts of tolerance. Think cats and dogs living together, neighboring peoples who were recently at war with each other, or law-enforcement agencies that look the other way on minor traffic offenses. This sense probably came about because tolerance, a defining quality of a progressive modern society, has positive connotations, while toleration of this sort is not positive, but thorny and precarious.
Toleration has also recently been defined as a particular act of tolerance, but we’re having trouble finding 21st-century examples that bear this out (which is not to say they’re not out there somewhere—we’ll add them if we find them).
What's the difference between tolerance and toleration?
My apologies too. That word rubbed (rubs) me the wrong way and I overreacted some. I think cate and I have similar views on it - an appearance-type thing (but, to echo Brian - all views are appreciated here).
What if none of it matters?
What if there is no god, no afterlife, no soul to save, and no meaning to it all?
What if we stopped worrying about the planet? She has no thought for us....She will eventually murder us in our sleep and WIN the war we've waged, anyway...What if there is no reason for tolerance?...fuck the lifeforms we destroy along the way; morality is a man-made construct anyway.
Why should we believe differently? Because the blades of grass called your name when you were really fucking high, or because that one time you got a nature chub while watching chipmunks play at sunset? Because I heard a noise in the next room while thinking of a dead relative or noticed an odd trick of light in a photo? Because a dream came true, or someone played connect the dots on a star map, or because hallmark told me love conquers all? Is it because we were told to believe in believing, and that 'faith' is something accepted by sane men? God, a higher power, nature, love, 'science'....what if all faith is blind? What if nihilism is...
And to think I called myself an idealist, just a few hours ago....
:wave:
None of it DOES matter, at least on the overall scale. We live, die...(oh bla di, oh bla da).
But on this (my?) tiny, insignificant scale, it all matters. It's what we make of our time, what and who we choose to love, to be around.
My sweetheart and I are getting married next week, after years together. It means nothing to the world at large - nor should it - but to us? It means the world to these two little ants.
Faith may be blind; maybe not. Love - real love - sees and accepts (not tolerates ).
We're just little ponds. So skip a few stones, watch them glide, see where the ripples go.
Even appreciate where some of those ripples go. Some of the best effects are unintended.
None of it DOES matter, at least on the overall scale. We live, die...(oh bla di, oh bla da).
But on this (my?) tiny, insignificant scale, it all matters. It's what we make of our time, what and who we choose to love, to be around.
My sweetheart and I are getting married next week, after years together. It means nothing to the world at large - nor should it - but to us? It means the world to these two little ants.
Faith may be blind; maybe not. Love - real love - sees and accepts (not tolerates ).
We're just little ponds. So skip a few stones, watch them glide, see where the ripples go.
Even appreciate where some of those ripples go. Some of the best effects are unintended.
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Holy f*ck! How do you propose we off over 90% of the population? There could be resistance. Sure, I'd love to skate through traffic with little to no congestion during rush hour just like anyone else...or go to Disney World and hop right on Space Mountain without having to wait...but damn!
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Holy f*ck! How do you propose we off over 90% of the population? There could be resistance. Sure, I'd love to skate through traffic with little to no congestion during rush hour just like anyone else...or go to Disney World and hop right on Space Mountain without having to wait...but damn!
I don't.
these are the "commandments" from The Georgia Guidestones (i linked to it in my post)
and that line is the one that gets the most attention from conspiracy theorists and the like.
It is troubling \ confusing to me as well, since the Guidestones were erected in 1979 when the global population was already 4.5 billion. Also, it is "signed" by "R. C. Christian", very clearly "Rosicrucian", a nominally "christian" branch of The Mystery Schools \ The Illuminati, that is supposed to be dedicated to helping enlighten humanity, elevate their consciousness, and provide them with the training needed to make contact with their soul. They shouldn't be in the business of killing anyone, since they are a white magic order. I dunno. It's a head scratcher at best.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Holy f*ck! How do you propose we off over 90% of the population? There could be resistance. Sure, I'd love to skate through traffic with little to no congestion during rush hour just like anyone else...or go to Disney World and hop right on Space Mountain without having to wait...but damn!
I don't.
these are the "commandments" from The Georgia Guidestones (i linked to it in my post)
and that line is the one that gets the most attention from conspiracy theorists and the like.
It is troubling \ confusing to me as well, since the Guidestones were erected in 1979 when the global population was already 4.5 billion. Also, it is "signed" by "R. C. Christian", very clearly "Rosicrucian", a nominally "christian" branch of The Mystery Schools \ The Illuminati, that is supposed to be dedicated to helping enlighten humanity, elevate their consciousness, and provide them with the training needed to make contact with their soul. They shouldn't be in the business of killing anyone, since they are a white magic order. I dunno. It's a head scratcher at best.
...the guidestones...one of the few places i would like to perform vandalism.
The song remains the same
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
...the guidestones...one of the few places i would like to perform vandalism.
Over the population line alone?
9 out of 10 of those are completely admirable goals.
The one about population, I will admit, is certainly troubling.
It's hard to draw much conclusion since we can't ask the stones any follow up questions, though.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
well, fwiw, here is a wired article that among other things discussed, mentions someone who is an expert on the Hermetic tradition who claims that the Rosicrucians are aware of (and pass down) knowledge of a 13,000 year solar cycle that produces "outsized solar flares" that will devastate humanity.
The line thus reads not as an excuse to off 9\10ths of humanity,
but as a call to maintain sound populations after a solar apocalypse.
Who knows.
I've not encountered any such alleged knowledge in my esoteric searching.
i know The Golden Dawn was on about pole reversal in one of their manifestos which is in a book I have, but I've never seen any documentation from *any* of the illuminist orders claiming knowledge of a destructive solar cycle. But I guess I'll start looking now.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Comments
Tolerance is the wrong word.
We as a People have been doing it for years.
Adherence is more like it.
If we only practiced what we preached.
Yeah, "um". I try more and more to avoid that.
And yes, it's just semantics but I love good words- even to the point of driving myself batty looking for just the right word at times. (The closest books within reach at my desk are my dictionary, thesaurus and my favorite reference book, my Kipfer, The Writer's Digest Flip Dictionary.
In any case, I was hoping YOU, hedonist, would have just the right word.
Um, c'mon, spit it out.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Right, Cate! I think I would rather have people who really don't care for sexagenarians (just to use a personal example and beside, it's a cool word
And getting back to original thought in this thread, if that became more the norm than maybe at least my premise #four would not be too far fetched.
That's alright, I've gotten the feeling since starting to post on this forum, that you're a tight knit group with no room for a new and different face with a differing perspective.
It does seem like this is a "tight knit" group, backseatLover12, but I for one (and I'm sure others here too) very much appreciate seeing new and more posts from others here. Too often it's the same few people speaking up here so, I'm glad for your input- especially as it is well thought out and articulate. Don't go!
Personally, I'm fine with your take on tolerance. No major objections. I'm just looking for a word or phrase that is a better fit and maybe I'm the one who is short-sighted for not finding "tolerance" the right fit. I like "acceptance" but am still not sure that is the best term yet still, I myself used "tolerance" in the opening post because it is a term we are all familiar with.
I read somewhere that tolerance is the process or act of acceptance without compromise whereas toleration is acceptance with compromise.
Also, words change and I've been around a while so seeing this modern definition of tolerance from dictionary.com I'm thinking better of it:
tol·er·ance, noun: a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
But the word still doesn't quite ring right for me. Too bad, so sad, eh?
What if there is no god, no afterlife, no soul to save, and no meaning to it all?
What if we stopped worrying about the planet? She has no thought for us....She will eventually murder us in our sleep and WIN the war we've waged, anyway...What if there is no reason for tolerance?...fuck the lifeforms we destroy along the way; morality is a man-made construct anyway.
Why should we believe differently? Because the blades of grass called your name when you were really fucking high, or because that one time you got a nature chub while watching chipmunks play at sunset? Because I heard a noise in the next room while thinking of a dead relative or noticed an odd trick of light in a photo? Because a dream came true, or someone played connect the dots on a star map, or because hallmark told me love conquers all? Is it because we were told to believe in believing, and that 'faith' is something accepted by sane men? God, a higher power, nature, love, 'science'....what if all faith is blind? What if nihilism is...
And to think I called myself an idealist, just a few hours ago....
:wave:
there is no god... there is no afterlife... I believe I have a soul.. i call it my conscience. and the only meaning life has is that which we ourselves give it. the earth will not murder us in our sleep. we will cause our own destruction.. as for earth winning the war we are waging ... she may do by default cause she isn't at war with us... we are at war with her.. and ourselves.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
if I have a problem with someone it wont be because of their age, eye colour, height, place of birth or musical tastes. itll be because theyre either ignorant or an arsehole.. or maybe even both. if you, generally speaking, don't trepass against me and I wont have a problem with you. however if you fuck with me or those I hold closest then we will have a problem.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Yeah, there is that. Stuck between the idealist and the nihilist. I get it.
This is getting good but- rats- must get some sleep. Keep it up- I'll catch up with ya'll later.
But on this (my?) tiny, insignificant scale, it all matters. It's what we make of our time, what and who we choose to love, to be around.
My sweetheart and I are getting married next week, after years together. It means nothing to the world at large - nor should it - but to us? It means the world to these two little ants.
Faith may be blind; maybe not. Love - real love - sees and accepts (not tolerates
We're just little ponds. So skip a few stones, watch them glide, see where the ripples go.
Even appreciate where some of those ripples go. Some of the best effects are unintended.
We're all connected
Nice post.
And Congrats!
And, OK backseat, your turn not to put me on ignore. Or whatever. No schweddy.
Holy f*ck! How do you propose we off over 90% of the population? There could be resistance. Sure, I'd love to skate through traffic with little to no congestion during rush hour just like anyone else...or go to Disney World and hop right on Space Mountain without having to wait...but damn!
I don't.
these are the "commandments" from The Georgia Guidestones (i linked to it in my post)
and that line is the one that gets the most attention from conspiracy theorists and the like.
It is troubling \ confusing to me as well, since the Guidestones were erected in 1979 when the global population was already 4.5 billion. Also, it is "signed" by "R. C. Christian", very clearly "Rosicrucian", a nominally "christian" branch of The Mystery Schools \ The Illuminati, that is supposed to be dedicated to helping enlighten humanity, elevate their consciousness, and provide them with the training needed to make contact with their soul. They shouldn't be in the business of killing anyone, since they are a white magic order. I dunno. It's a head scratcher at best.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
...the guidestones...one of the few places i would like to perform vandalism.
The song remains the same
Over the population line alone?
9 out of 10 of those are completely admirable goals.
The one about population, I will admit, is certainly troubling.
It's hard to draw much conclusion since we can't ask the stones any follow up questions, though.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
The line thus reads not as an excuse to off 9\10ths of humanity,
but as a call to maintain sound populations after a solar apocalypse.
Who knows.
I've not encountered any such alleged knowledge in my esoteric searching.
i know The Golden Dawn was on about pole reversal in one of their manifestos which is in a book I have, but I've never seen any documentation from *any* of the illuminist orders claiming knowledge of a destructive solar cycle. But I guess I'll start looking now.
If I opened it now would you not understand?