What is wrong with this thinking?

brianlux

My wife and I were talking today about the current situation in Syria and I was reminded once again about a basic premise I’ve had for several years now- my four easy steps to a healthier planet and living in peace and well being:

1. Protect the environment. This makes sense on several levels: it would give us more beauty in our world, it would preserve much biodiversity and it would create a cleaner environment which is the first step toward preventing disease in humans and other living things (rather than constantly trying to cure diseases while new ones keep cropping up.) And of course a healthier planet would mean slowing anthropogenic global warming.

2. Reduce human population. The benefits of this are obvious: more resources to go around leading to fewer resource wars and more habitats for other forms of life on earth.

3. Practice conservation and sharing. Depleted resources lead to resource wars. Conservation and sharing lead to greater economic and social equity, creates good will and leaves more for other species with whom we share this planet.

4. Practice tolerance- in other words, stop being so up tight about what others do in the privacy of their own home and let people have their own beliefs, even if they do seem a little far fetched. Religious differences are the other major cause of war. And homophobia, sexism and racism, etc., deserve no place in the world today.

That’s it. That simple. Yes, I realize this may sound a bit over simplified but to my way of thinking, not by much. Don’t these things make sense? Why don’t we humans do what is logical? This truly baffles me. Call me an idealist but please, don’t call me illogical.

gimmesometruth27

maybe if miley twerked on shit we should be caring about she can better serve the world???

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

maybe if miley twerked on shit we should be caring about she can better serve the world???

Pink tinged fame and appeal to the lowest common denominator. Well, I guess I can't trump that. I just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.

EdsonNascimento

So, 5 kids are on a playground sharing the only ball in the school. They all love to play ball bc it gives them exercise and, well, it's fun. After a while one of the kids thinks, hey, if I keep the ball everyone will have to do as I say in order to have their daily ball play. So, that's why she does. One day when the ball is passed to her. She holds it. The other kids plead with her nicely. They even negotiate a cupcake after lunch. Now the girl starts thinking wow! If I keep the ball a day or two, who knows what they'll give me. And so it goes.

What are the 4 other kids to do? They want a peaceful existence playing with their ball, but they can't force her to give it back. And what when she says ok I will give you the ball back if you each line up at the wall with your hands behind your back and let me rifle the ball at your face?

rustneversleeps

I'd say 'gimme my ball back bitch!'

DriftingByTheStorm

brianlux wrote:

My wife and I were talking today about the current situation in Syria and I was reminded once again about a basic premise I’ve had for several years now- my four easy steps to a healthier planet and living in peace and well being:

1. Protect the environment. This makes sense on several levels: it would give us more beauty in our world, it would preserve much biodiversity and it would create a cleaner environment which is the first step toward preventing disease in humans and other living things (rather than constantly trying to cure diseases while new ones keep cropping up.) And of course a healthier planet would mean slowing anthropogenic global warming.

2. Reduce human population. The benefits of this are obvious: more resources to go around leading to fewer resource wars and more habitats for other forms of life on earth.

3. Practice conservation and sharing. Depleted resources lead to resource wars. Conservation and sharing lead to greater economic and social equity, creates good will and leaves more for other species with whom we share this planet.

4. Practice tolerance- in other words, stop being so up tight about what others do in the privacy of their own home and let people have their own beliefs, even if they do seem a little far fetched. Religious differences are the other major cause of war. And homophobia, sexism and racism, etc., deserve no place in the world today.

That’s it. That simple. Yes, I realize this may sound a bit over simplified but to my way of thinking, not by much. Don’t these things make sense? Why don’t we humans do what is logical? This truly baffles me. Call me an idealist but please, don’t call me illogical.

here ya go b:

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

chadwick

EdsonNascimento wrote:

So, 5 kids are on a playground sharing the only ball in the school. They all love to play ball bc it gives them exercise and, well, it's fun. After a while one of the kids thinks, hey, if I keep the ball everyone will have to do as I say in order to have their daily ball play. So, that's why she does. One day when the ball is passed to her. She holds it. The other kids plead with her nicely. They even negotiate a cupcake after lunch. Now the girl starts thinking wow! If I keep the ball a day or two, who knows what they'll give me. And so it goes.

What are the 4 other kids to do? They want a peaceful existence playing with their ball, but they can't force her to give it back. And what when she says ok I will give you the ball back if you each line up at the wall with your hands behind your back and let me rifle the ball at your face?

then a big badass in charge come around & sticks their foot up the nasty kid's frickin keester & sends this screwy screaming brat of a kid to the priciple's office. all share the ball now.

chadwick

law21 wrote:

I'd say 'gimme my ball back bitch!'

hedonist

Forget tolerance...just live and let live.

Treat others as you would want to be treated.

Treat our planet as an extension of ourselves...because it is.

Every animal, plant, mountain, and on.

Be the change you want to see.

Don't just talk the talk.

Live it, and be it, as best we can.

(as best I can)

You're right. It really is that simple - or should be.

brianlux

EdsonNascimento wrote:

So, 5 kids are on a playground sharing the only ball in the school. They all love to play ball bc it gives them exercise and, well, it's fun. After a while one of the kids thinks, hey, if I keep the ball everyone will have to do as I say in order to have their daily ball play. So, that's why she does. One day when the ball is passed to her. She holds it. The other kids plead with her nicely. They even negotiate a cupcake after lunch. Now the girl starts thinking wow! If I keep the ball a day or two, who knows what they'll give me. And so it goes.

What are the 4 other kids to do? They want a peaceful existence playing with their ball, but they can't force her to give it back. And what when she says ok I will give you the ball back if you each line up at the wall with your hands behind your back and let me rifle the ball at your face?

You turn your back on her and leave her out of the circle until she realizes her selfishness only brings loneliness and isolation.

brianlux

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

brianlux wrote:

My wife and I were talking today about the current situation in Syria and I was reminded once again about a basic premise I’ve had for several years now- my four easy steps to a healthier planet and living in peace and well being:

1. Protect the environment. This makes sense on several levels: it would give us more beauty in our world, it would preserve much biodiversity and it would create a cleaner environment which is the first step toward preventing disease in humans and other living things (rather than constantly trying to cure diseases while new ones keep cropping up.) And of course a healthier planet would mean slowing anthropogenic global warming.

2. Reduce human population. The benefits of this are obvious: more resources to go around leading to fewer resource wars and more habitats for other forms of life on earth.

3. Practice conservation and sharing. Depleted resources lead to resource wars. Conservation and sharing lead to greater economic and social equity, creates good will and leaves more for other species with whom we share this planet.

4. Practice tolerance- in other words, stop being so up tight about what others do in the privacy of their own home and let people have their own beliefs, even if they do seem a little far fetched. Religious differences are the other major cause of war. And homophobia, sexism and racism, etc., deserve no place in the world today.

That’s it. That simple. Yes, I realize this may sound a bit over simplified but to my way of thinking, not by much. Don’t these things make sense? Why don’t we humans do what is logical? This truly baffles me. Call me an idealist but please, don’t call me illogical.

here ya go b:

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

Clear thinking here. This makes sense! The only thing I would add here is to preserve distinct languages as well as having a common living language- be that literal or metaphorical.

brianlux

hedonist wrote:

Forget tolerance...just live and let live.

Treat others as you would want to be treated.

Treat our planet as an extension of ourselves...because it is.

Every animal, plant, mountain, and on.

Be the change you want to see.

Don't just talk the talk.

Live it, and be it, as best we can.

(as best I can)

You're right. It really is that simple - or should be.

I'm beginning to think I'm not so crazy after all. And surely no genius. But how do we get world to recognize simple solutions that make sense?

EdsonNascimento

brianlux wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

So, 5 kids are on a playground sharing the only ball in the school. They all love to play ball bc it gives them exercise and, well, it's fun. After a while one of the kids thinks, hey, if I keep the ball everyone will have to do as I say in order to have their daily ball play. So, that's why she does. One day when the ball is passed to her. She holds it. The other kids plead with her nicely. They even negotiate a cupcake after lunch. Now the girl starts thinking wow! If I keep the ball a day or two, who knows what they'll give me. And so it goes.

What are the 4 other kids to do? They want a peaceful existence playing with their ball, but they can't force her to give it back. And what when she says ok I will give you the ball back if you each line up at the wall with your hands behind your back and let me rifle the ball at your face?

You turn your back on her and leave her out of the circle until she realizes her selfishness only brings loneliness and isolation.

So, no ball playing bc 1 child decided so? That seems fair.

brianlux

EdsonNascimento wrote:

brianlux wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

So, 5 kids are on a playground sharing the only ball in the school. They all love to play ball bc it gives them exercise and, well, it's fun. After a while one of the kids thinks, hey, if I keep the ball everyone will have to do as I say in order to have their daily ball play. So, that's why she does. One day when the ball is passed to her. She holds it. The other kids plead with her nicely. They even negotiate a cupcake after lunch. Now the girl starts thinking wow! If I keep the ball a day or two, who knows what they'll give me. And so it goes.

What are the 4 other kids to do? They want a peaceful existence playing with their ball, but they can't force her to give it back. And what when she says ok I will give you the ball back if you each line up at the wall with your hands behind your back and let me rifle the ball at your face?

You turn your back on her and leave her out of the circle until she realizes her selfishness only brings loneliness and isolation.

So, no ball playing bc 1 child decided so? That seems fair.

We're going to leave her with the stupid ball and go listen to my Buddy Guy CD instead.

But seriously, I get what you're saying but is not cutting your losses better than increasing your losses?

lcusick

brianlux wrote:

My wife and I were talking today about the current situation in Syria and I was reminded once again about a basic premise I’ve had for several years now- my four easy steps to a healthier planet and living in peace and well being:

1. Protect the environment. This makes sense on several levels: it would give us more beauty in our world, it would preserve much biodiversity and it would create a cleaner environment which is the first step toward preventing disease in humans and other living things (rather than constantly trying to cure diseases while new ones keep cropping up.) And of course a healthier planet would mean slowing anthropogenic global warming.

2. Reduce human population. The benefits of this are obvious: more resources to go around leading to fewer resource wars and more habitats for other forms of life on earth.

3. Practice conservation and sharing. Depleted resources lead to resource wars. Conservation and sharing lead to greater economic and social equity, creates good will and leaves more for other species with whom we share this planet.

4. Practice tolerance- in other words, stop being so up tight about what others do in the privacy of their own home and let people have their own beliefs, even if they do seem a little far fetched. Religious differences are the other major cause of war. And homophobia, sexism and racism, etc., deserve no place in the world today.

That’s it. That simple. Yes, I realize this may sound a bit over simplified but to my way of thinking, not by much. Don’t these things make sense? Why don’t we humans do what is logical? This truly baffles me. Call me an idealist but please, don’t call me illogical.

This all seems so simple and I agree, but unfortunately, not everyone thinks this way. It would be extremely hard to get the whole world on this page. I have some friends that I can only be around for short periods because they are negative. I try to surround myself with positive people, which is hard to do. I can care less what people do in the privacy of their own homes, be it religion, sex etc. But not everyone feels that way- and I do not really know why.

EdsonNascimento

brianlux wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

brianlux wrote:

You turn your back on her and leave her out of the circle until she realizes her selfishness only brings loneliness and isolation.

So, no ball playing bc 1 child decided so? That seems fair.

We're going to leave her with the stupid ball and go listen to my Buddy Guy CD instead.

But seriously, I get what you're saying but is not cutting your losses better than increasing your losses?

that's a much better idea. Buddy can soothe anyone.

Main point is - there are bad folks. Not that you shouldn't do the right thing. But you cant make everyone do what you want them to do lest you become the bad guy.

hedonist

brianlux wrote:

I'm beginning to think I'm not so crazy after all. And surely no genius. But how do we get world to recognize simple solutions that make sense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoffL8T4_1o

brianlux

hedonist wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I'm beginning to think I'm not so crazy after all. And surely no genius. But how do we get world to recognize simple solutions that make sense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoffL8T4_1o

Yeah, good point- we can only make ourselves better people.

satansbed

brianlux wrote:

My wife and I were talking today about the current situation in Syria and I was reminded once again about a basic premise I’ve had for several years now- my four easy steps to a healthier planet and living in peace and well being:

1. Protect the environment. This makes sense on several levels: it would give us more beauty in our world, it would preserve much biodiversity and it would create a cleaner environment which is the first step toward preventing disease in humans and other living things (rather than constantly trying to cure diseases while new ones keep cropping up.) And of course a healthier planet would mean slowing anthropogenic global warming.

2. Reduce human population. The benefits of this are obvious: more resources to go around leading to fewer resource wars and more habitats for other forms of life on earth.

3. Practice conservation and sharing. Depleted resources lead to resource wars. Conservation and sharing lead to greater economic and social equity, creates good will and leaves more for other species with whom we share this planet.

4. Practice tolerance- in other words, stop being so up tight about what others do in the privacy of their own home and let people have their own beliefs, even if they do seem a little far fetched. Religious differences are the other major cause of war. And homophobia, sexism and racism, etc., deserve no place in the world today.

That’s it. That simple. Yes, I realize this may sound a bit over simplified but to my way of thinking, not by much. Don’t these things make sense? Why don’t we humans do what is logical? This truly baffles me. Call me an idealist but please, don’t call me illogical.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
basically unless you can incentivise all to conserve, no one will conserve because it is not beneficial to them to do so.

2. who is to say who can and can't have kids. should we kill people until we are down to an acceptable level, who decides that level.

3. sharing everything is not the best way to distributing the most amount of resources amongst the most amount of people.

lets say for example one group of people weren't playing by these rules. the only way to make them would be be to either economically influence them or militarily force them. causing exactly what you where hoping to avoid.

you are thinking along the right lines, but you have missed many unintended consequences that these rules would bring

CAVSTARR313

Thinking is never wrong.
Being wrong is sometimes wrong.
stopping thinking and always being right is so very wrong

brianlux

satansbed wrote:

brianlux wrote:

My wife and I were talking today about the current situation in Syria and I was reminded once again about a basic premise I’ve had for several years now- my four easy steps to a healthier planet and living in peace and well being:

1. Protect the environment. This makes sense on several levels: it would give us more beauty in our world, it would preserve much biodiversity and it would create a cleaner environment which is the first step toward preventing disease in humans and other living things (rather than constantly trying to cure diseases while new ones keep cropping up.) And of course a healthier planet would mean slowing anthropogenic global warming.

2. Reduce human population. The benefits of this are obvious: more resources to go around leading to fewer resource wars and more habitats for other forms of life on earth.

3. Practice conservation and sharing. Depleted resources lead to resource wars. Conservation and sharing lead to greater economic and social equity, creates good will and leaves more for other species with whom we share this planet.

4. Practice tolerance- in other words, stop being so up tight about what others do in the privacy of their own home and let people have their own beliefs, even if they do seem a little far fetched. Religious differences are the other major cause of war. And homophobia, sexism and racism, etc., deserve no place in the world today.

That’s it. That simple. Yes, I realize this may sound a bit over simplified but to my way of thinking, not by much. Don’t these things make sense? Why don’t we humans do what is logical? This truly baffles me. Call me an idealist but please, don’t call me illogical.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
basically unless you can incentivise all to conserve, no one will conserve because it is not beneficial to them to do so.

I guess I just figure the likelihood that we are making our planet inhospitable to most or all human life is good incentive!

satansbed wrote:

2. who is to say who can and can't have kids. should we kill people until we are down to an acceptable level, who decides that level.

I can only make that decision for myself which is why I have no scratch babies- only ones I helped raise. I try to be a positive example- not a saint or miracle worker!

satansbed wrote:

3. sharing everything is not the best way to distributing the most amount of resources amongst the most amount of people.

I'm open to better ideas.

satansbed wrote:

lets say for example one group of people weren't playing by these rules. the only way to make them would be be to either economically influence them or militarily force them. causing exactly what you where hoping to avoid.

you are thinking along the right lines, but you have missed many unintended consequences that these rules would bring

As I've said elsewhere, as an individual, I'm more for doing what makes sense and as an individual, group, community or nation, setting an example and help others to do the same. I'm not into force. As far as I can see, force, coercion and war have not made the world a better place.