What is Stealing?

mikerlmikerl Posts: 576
edited September 2013 in The Porch
So here is one for you.. and for that matter, Kat/Sea/whoever at 10c.


i am putting a bunch of CD's on my ipod right now.. and "Vs." has a scratch during "indifference" :nono:

i own 3 copies of "vs". The original "five against one" tape, that i got the day of release, a copy of the CD (the one with the scratch) that i bought back in the day, as soon as i got a CD player. AND the Vinyl. Thats three "licenses" (in todays terms) that i have purchased.

these days.. if i were to download a song from itunes, and the file was lost or damaged, i could re-download the file (license) that i purchased. you are not paying for the 1's and 0's, you are paying for the right to listen to it.

SOOOOOO... i have no interest in buying a 4th "license" of "vs" in order to have a clear copy of "indifference", for loading on my ipod.

WHAT IS THE STANCE ON DOWNLOADING THIS FOR FREE (not that i know how, im too old) WOULD I BE STEALING? again, if i had bought a copy off itunes, i could jut re-download it... and i have purchased this album three times.

I yield back the balance of my time.
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  • dude, just download the damn song somewhere.
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  • mikerlmikerl Posts: 576
    LOL... i would... i literally don't know how... i was in college during napster, after that i got lost.
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam NINUNINOPROPosts: 135,899
    dude, just download the damn song somewhere.
    lol
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  • dude, just download the damn song somewhere.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,221
    put the CD onto your hard drive via Itunes. most likely the 'scratch' is on the surface of the CD and has nothing to do with the actual MP3 file. The file itself should be fine to play via an Ipod. I've had old CDs where I've had scratches but the file itself in ITunes was fine.
  • mikerlmikerl Posts: 576
    OK, christ.. i will.


    BUT, im my (obviously unique) mind, it was an interesting talk about licensing.
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  • mikerlmikerl Posts: 576
    pjhawks wrote:
    put the CD onto your hard drive via Itunes. most likely the 'scratch' is on the surface of the CD and has nothing to do with the actual MP3 file. The file itself should be fine to play via an Ipod. I've had old CDs where I've had scratches but the file itself in ITunes was fine.


    unfortunately, this is not the case.. as is "no code" as well.
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  • Failing the ability to create an mp3 off the vinyl copy, just download it. By your own words, you've already bought three different copies/versions of the song.

    Alternatively, just take a live version with Ben Harper. :)
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  • covered in blisscovered in bliss chi-caw-goPosts: 1,287
    Like someone said, put the cd into itunes & see what happens. If it doesnt work, pay the .99 for just that song.

    Im prolly the only person on the planet that would buy the song. Like you, I lost touch with that stuff after napster. I have no desire to figure out where/how to do it again because it would be too tempting to get other stuff. It is stealing.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 8,293
    What is OCD?
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  • mikerlmikerl Posts: 576
    What is OCD?


    LOL, its something i deal with everyday.. THATS what.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 45,787
    Well, the first thing you do in this situation is download the thing and don't ask any questions. :lol: ;)
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  • troysp1troysp1 Posts: 358
    If I recall it is not stealing to have a copy of the digital music if you download it from another source but still have the physical medium such as a CD. However I do believe that if you have not purchased the digital rights and don't have the physical medium then you are in violation of the copyright laws in affect.
  • ...thread reported to the fbi...
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam NINUNINOPROPosts: 135,899
    jbalicki10 wrote:
    ...thread reported to the fbi...
    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    funniest post in a long time..
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    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • MedozKMedozK TennesseePosts: 7,010
    I have a scenario for you.

    I buy a CD, rip the contents to my hard drive with iTunes. I then sell my CD to a used music store. Do I have to delete my MP3s since I dont own the CD anymore?
  • MedozK wrote:
    I have a scenario for you.

    I buy a CD, rip the contents to my hard drive with iTunes. I then sell my CD to a used music store. Do I have to delete my MP3s since I dont own the CD anymore?

    Just don't run for any political office because if you are a republican and in the lead based on polls, Gloria Allred will bring it up in the media a week before the election and you will be publicly embarrassed and lose the election.
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  • MedozKMedozK TennesseePosts: 7,010
    MedozK wrote:
    I have a scenario for you.

    I buy a CD, rip the contents to my hard drive with iTunes. I then sell my CD to a used music store. Do I have to delete my MP3s since I dont own the CD anymore?

    Just don't run for any political office because if you are a republican and in the lead based on polls, Gloria Allred will bring it up in the media a week before the election and you will be publicly embarrassed and lose the election.
    :lol: :lol:
  • pjradiopjradio Posts: 6,704
    What is OCD?

    a band from the 80's
    had a hit with "If You Leave" ;)
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  • Just rip your scratched cd to your computer and burn a new copy of the entire album onto a blank cd.
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  • What is OCD?
    I have no idea what OCD is. Show me the blueprints, show me the blueprints, show me the blueprints. Quarantine Q-U-A-R-A-N-T-I-N-E. Ahhh, I feel better.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 45,787
    What is OCD?
    I have no idea what OCD is. Show me the blueprints, show me the blueprints, show me the blueprints. Quarantine Q-U-A-R-A-N-T-I-N-E. Ahhh, I feel better.
    :lol:
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 8,293
    I exceeded the speed limit on the way home. I'm calling the police.
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  • Go to your local library. Borrow a copy of VS and copy it onto your hard drive.
  • pjradiopjradio Posts: 6,704
    antares434 wrote:
    Go to your local library. Borrow a copy of VS and copy it onto your hard drive.

    good one
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  • mikerlmikerl Posts: 576
    I exceeded the speed limit on the way home. I'm calling the police.

    better just show them the weed now.
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    I bought a toaster, had it for over a decade. One day it just stopped popping up automatically. It still cooked toast, just didn't do it as well as when I first bought it. I realised it served me well for a very long time, but now it was broken. I went and spent $20 on a new toaster that does exactly the same thing in the same length of time as the old one, but it works a little better, how it should work.
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  • Failing the ability to create an mp3 off the vinyl copy, just download it. By your own words, you've already bought three different copies/versions of the song.

    Alternatively, just take a live version with Ben Harper. :)

    Dear God man, please no. Harper ruined that song every time... Atlanta 94 if you want a good version.

    As for the OP, couldn't you borrow one and download it? You own it, no guilt.
  • If push came to shove, and the Feds knocked on your door, all you would have to do is show them that you have all of these copies of the album - your proofs of purchase.

    Then tell them if they don't like it, to eat a bag of ding dongs. :lol:
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  • Dr. DelightDr. Delight Posts: 11,086
    Disappointing thread.
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