Cops enter home without warrant, shoot dogs, kill one.

unsung · August 2013

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I gave you some ideas in one of your other multiple threads. Time put on your listening ears.

1. Honour the profession by paying these people what they are worth.
2. Shorten the length of their careers before they receive their pension.

Then... people might be motivated to enter the profession. As it stands right now... there are several good cops doing what they were born to do; but there are 'others' that are doing the job because they can. In short, the demand is such that departments take any reasonable candidate. Departments should have their choice of candidates. It's that important of a job.

One thing that is not occurring that you seem to think is: these actions are not small parts of a larger movement to move towards a police state. Instead, these actions are the part of incompetent boobs that do not have the natural disposition to do the job as well as what we would like.

Of course, my solution would mean taxes to pay for this service and, judging from the rest of your posts... that would invite a 1000 more threads bitching about that.

How do we win with you, Unsung?

My ex made $98k last year as a patrol officer. How much more should they be paid? They had, up until about two years ago 100% medical coverage with no money coming out of their pockets. They finally dropped it to 90%, iirc, because the city couldn't justify paying 100% with the downturn in the economy. Sounds like a killer deal to me.

As far as the pension goes I don't know when their retirement age is, but what does that have to do with treating people with respect and not killing their dogs?

There are generally hundreds of people applying for officer positions in this city, if not thousands. If they can't get the cream of the crop then people need to be fired.

I'll disagree about the police state, it is going that way. Federal dollars have small local police departments with SWAT teams and heavy armament.

We already pay enough taxes, how much more should we pay to get them to treat people with respect?

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2013

unsung wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I gave you some ideas in one of your other multiple threads. Time put on your listening ears.

1. Honour the profession by paying these people what they are worth.
2. Shorten the length of their careers before they receive their pension.

Then... people might be motivated to enter the profession. As it stands right now... there are several good cops doing what they were born to do; but there are 'others' that are doing the job because they can. In short, the demand is such that departments take any reasonable candidate. Departments should have their choice of candidates. It's that important of a job.

One thing that is not occurring that you seem to think is: these actions are not small parts of a larger movement to move towards a police state. Instead, these actions are the part of incompetent boobs that do not have the natural disposition to do the job as well as what we would like.

Of course, my solution would mean taxes to pay for this service and, judging from the rest of your posts... that would invite a 1000 more threads bitching about that.

How do we win with you, Unsung?

My ex made $98k last year as a patrol officer. How much more should they be paid? They had, up until about two years ago 100% medical coverage with no money coming out of their pockets. They finally dropped it to 90%, iirc, because the city couldn't justify paying 100% with the downturn in the economy. Sounds like a killer deal to me.

As far as the pension goes I don't know when their retirement age is, but what does that have to do with treating people with respect and not killing their dogs?

There are generally hundreds of people applying for officer positions in this city, if not thousands. If they can't get the cream of the crop then people need to be fired.

I'll disagree about the police state, it is going that way. Federal dollars have small local police departments with SWAT teams and heavy armament.

We already pay enough taxes, how much more should we pay to get them to treat people with respect?

$98,000 with the benefits you describe? I'm calling bullshit. Show me a link that displays such a generous wage and I won't have to call you a liar.

Here's a link that shows a depressing range of average salaries (obviously starting salaries are pathetically lower to really encourage candidates):
http://www.indeed.com/salary/Police-Officer.html

Note this little blurb: Average Police Officer salaries for job postings nationwide are 58% lower than average salaries for all job postings nationwide.

The early retirement is due to the stress levels of the job. After 20 years of service, it is only human nature to lose patience with the clientele they are forced to deal with on a daily basis.

1000s all lining up to enlist? Beats McDonalds and other minimum wage jobs I guess, but that doesn't exactly get us the people we want doing the job now does it?

Cosmo · August 2013

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

unsung wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I gave you some ideas in one of your other multiple threads. Time put on your listening ears.

1. Honour the profession by paying these people what they are worth.
2. Shorten the length of their careers before they receive their pension.

Then... people might be motivated to enter the profession. As it stands right now... there are several good cops doing what they were born to do; but there are 'others' that are doing the job because they can. In short, the demand is such that departments take any reasonable candidate. Departments should have their choice of candidates. It's that important of a job.

One thing that is not occurring that you seem to think is: these actions are not small parts of a larger movement to move towards a police state. Instead, these actions are the part of incompetent boobs that do not have the natural disposition to do the job as well as what we would like.

Of course, my solution would mean taxes to pay for this service and, judging from the rest of your posts... that would invite a 1000 more threads bitching about that.

How do we win with you, Unsung?

My ex made $98k last year as a patrol officer. How much more should they be paid? They had, up until about two years ago 100% medical coverage with no money coming out of their pockets. They finally dropped it to 90%, iirc, because the city couldn't justify paying 100% with the downturn in the economy. Sounds like a killer deal to me.

As far as the pension goes I don't know when their retirement age is, but what does that have to do with treating people with respect and not killing their dogs?

There are generally hundreds of people applying for officer positions in this city, if not thousands. If they can't get the cream of the crop then people need to be fired.

I'll disagree about the police state, it is going that way. Federal dollars have small local police departments with SWAT teams and heavy armament.

We already pay enough taxes, how much more should we pay to get them to treat people with respect?

$98,000 with the benefits you describe? I'm calling bullshit. Show me a link that displays such a generous wage and I won't have to call you a liar.

Here's a link that shows a depressing range of average salaries (obviously starting salaries are pathetically lower to really encourage candidates):
http://www.indeed.com/salary/Police-Officer.html

Note this little blurb: Average Police Officer salaries for job postings nationwide are 58% lower than average salaries for all job postings nationwide.

The early retirement is due to the stress levels of the job. After 20 years of service, it is only human nature to lose patience with the clientele they are forced to deal with on a daily basis.

1000s all lining up to enlist? Beats McDonalds and other minimum wage jobs I guess, but that doesn't exactly get us the people we want doing the job now does it?

...
I was going to say... Unsung's ex-girlfriend is either on the take or shaking down drug dealers and selling the stuff herself. $98,000.00 a years is a lot of money for a beat cop... i can't imagine what a detective is pulling in.

unsung · August 2013

There's cops and firefighters in this city making over $125k.

I'll try to find a link and pm it to you, if you don't post it, I'd rather not disclose that level of personal detail on the Internet.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2013

unsung wrote:

There's cops and firefighters in this city making over $125k.

I'll try to find a link and pm it to you, if you don't post it, I'd rather not disclose that level of personal detail on the Internet.

So I see. I cannot call you a liar- and as much as you sometimes drive me bananas... I'm glad for that.

Unsung, let's be real about something here: the highest salaries we see are not the norm. There are police captains making $29,000, sergeants making $24,000, and police captains making $32,000.

Police work is not notoriously known for its lucrative pay scales. To quite the contrary... in the majority of societies, police work is known as service: with low pay, but the opportunity to try and do some good.

I'm not saying all cops are great. I'm saying most are- we see the exceptions on youtube... not the norm. Cops provide a valuable service and most are good, honest, hard working people with strong values that place themselves at risk for many that, to be frank, are ungrateful.

brianlux · August 2013

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

unsung wrote:

There's cops and firefighters in this city making over $125k.

I'll try to find a link and pm it to you, if you don't post it, I'd rather not disclose that level of personal detail on the Internet.

So I see. I cannot call you a liar- and as much as you sometimes drive me bananas... I'm glad for that.

Unsung, let's be real about something here: the highest salaries we see are not the norm. There are police captains making $29,000, sergeants making $24,000, and police captains making $32,000.

Police work is not notoriously known for its lucrative pay scales. To quite the contrary... in the majority of societies, police work is known as service: with low pay, but the opportunity to try and do some good.

I'm not saying all cops are great. I'm saying most are- we see the exceptions on youtube... not the norm. Cops provide a valuable service and most are good, honest, hard working people with strong values that place themselves at risk for many that, to be frank, are ungrateful.

$125K plus for a city cop? Wow- not in my medium sized town. No where near. OP must live some place rather extravagant. OP also has no interest in hearing or saying anything good about law enforcement. Nothing period.

unsung · August 2013

Really?

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=210387

And no, not extravagant at all.

unsung · August 2013

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

unsung wrote:

There's cops and firefighters in this city making over $125k.

I'll try to find a link and pm it to you, if you don't post it, I'd rather not disclose that level of personal detail on the Internet.

So I see. I cannot call you a liar- and as much as you sometimes drive me bananas... I'm glad for that.

Unsung, let's be real about something here: the highest salaries we see are not the norm. There are police captains making $29,000, sergeants making $24,000, and police captains making $32,000.

Police work is not notoriously known for its lucrative pay scales. To quite the contrary... in the majority of societies, police work is known as service: with low pay, but the opportunity to try and do some good.

I'm not saying all cops are great. I'm saying most are- we see the exceptions on youtube... not the norm. Cops provide a valuable service and most are good, honest, hard working people with strong values that place themselves at risk for many that, to be frank, are ungrateful.

I'd really agree with most of what you just said. However when they do step out of line they must be held accountable. We are not their punching bags.

Prince Of Dorkness · August 2013

unsung wrote:

Ever try posting without drama?

Ever start a thread that wasn't whiny and passive aggressive?

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2013

unsung wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

So I see. I cannot call you a liar- and as much as you sometimes drive me bananas... I'm glad for that.

Unsung, let's be real about something here: the highest salaries we see are not the norm. There are police captains making $29,000, sergeants making $24,000, and police captains making $32,000.

Police work is not notoriously known for its lucrative pay scales. To quite the contrary... in the majority of societies, police work is known as service: with low pay, but the opportunity to try and do some good.

I'm not saying all cops are great. I'm saying most are- we see the exceptions on youtube... not the norm. Cops provide a valuable service and most are good, honest, hard working people with strong values that place themselves at risk for many that, to be frank, are ungrateful.

I'd really agree with most of what you just said. However when they do step out of line they must be held accountable. We are not their punching bags.

Ok. So... we're not that far apart after all. I think cops that step out of line absolutely need to be held accountable. My suggestions for promoting the profession is to diminish these 'incidents' we frequently hear of: citizens are treated by more appropriate professionals... and our police force is strengthened in character by appealing to character. Win Win.

Being a cop is a big job that demands a lot from people. I think we have abused some good ones, and some bad ones have abused the system. We can improve this, but there is a cost to it. I think it is worth it.

vant0037 · August 2013

unsung wrote:

Actually many of the stories I've posted here about this type of abuse has had it's defenders for whatever their reasons. That's one of the reasons why I continue to post such articles. These types of abuses need to be pointed out to show how civilian police forces are turning into military police forces with little to no regard for the most general and basic rights. So really my added commentary was with justification. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you haven't been as active.

In the meantime the real surprise will be any reply from you to any of my threads that actually discusses the topic.

I have yet to see you engage in a reasoned discussion about what causes these abuses of power, how they can best be addressed etc.

Instead, you post link after link from sources of questionable credibility (yes, questionable; I'll continue to point out that you've posted editorials as sources -- editorials!), with the basic theme that "the police were out of line here."

Without offering a counterbalance, such as "but this isn't indicative of all police behavior," or posting the link and then asking people what should be done about it, your default position seems to be "cops suck," an argument you couldn't possibly win or lose (its an opinion, however dumb or ill-informed it might be), and therefore it's very apparent that you're not really interested in attacking the problem, but instead more interested in finding links that support your preconceived notion about cops or politics or Dems or the nature of the individual vs. the State in America etc.

Pretty hard to engage you in a reasoned discussion toward any sort of solution when it's so ridiculously apparent that you want no such discussion. You'd rather bitch and moan about a problem you don't want there to be a solution for, mainly because you get a lot of political capital out of there being instance of excessive force or abuse of power etc. In other words, these posts, without any invitation for discussion, are really just invitations for arguments or intended to pick or prod other people you know may disagree with you.

In sum, if you're going to sit and post links, without any intention of tackling the problem (as best we can in a virtual community), you're trolling and many of the people on here - liberal or conservative - are too intelligent to bite.

If you're going to post links and actually look for solutions to problems we can all agree exist, by all means. Post away. I look forward to your thoughts on the issue. Thus far, it's clear you're not really interested in doing so.

THAT'S why people are responding to you the way they are. Try again.

vant0037 · August 2013

Case in point: this discussion quickly turned into one about the salaries of cops, the military-police state, taxes, overpaid firefighters, cops using us as "punching bags," and an unsupported personal belief that police today are very insecure.

g under p · August 2013

chadwick wrote:

g under p wrote:

Here's another instance of police at there best....

http://autos.aol.com/article/texas-poli ... d%3D354951

I wonder if they do the same body cavity searches for men!

Peace

that is the nastiest shit i have ever seen. that woman cop used the same rubber gloves on both women. she is a foul disgrace to the badge she sports & that male cop is a straight asshole

Well she was rightfully fired but I was wondering if she changed gloves she could've passed on something to the second woman for sure.

Peace

riotgrl · August 2013

brianlux wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

unsung wrote:

There's cops and firefighters in this city making over $125k.

I'll try to find a link and pm it to you, if you don't post it, I'd rather not disclose that level of personal detail on the Internet.

So I see. I cannot call you a liar- and as much as you sometimes drive me bananas... I'm glad for that.

Unsung, let's be real about something here: the highest salaries we see are not the norm. There are police captains making $29,000, sergeants making $24,000, and police captains making $32,000.

Police work is not notoriously known for its lucrative pay scales. To quite the contrary... in the majority of societies, police work is known as service: with low pay, but the opportunity to try and do some good.

I'm not saying all cops are great. I'm saying most are- we see the exceptions on youtube... not the norm. Cops provide a valuable service and most are good, honest, hard working people with strong values that place themselves at risk for many that, to be frank, are ungrateful.

$125K plus for a city cop? Wow- not in my medium sized town. No where near. OP must live some place rather extravagant. OP also has no interest in hearing or saying anything good about law enforcement. Nothing period.

The city in which I live makes it public knowledge what each individual public employee makes -meaning I can look you up by name. My neighbor works for the local police department as a spokesperson and has done so for quite a while and he makes $47K. Newbies make $35K and our police chief makes $168K and I would assume that he makes the highest salary in the department. My point being these guys could DIE at any moment and its ok to start out making $35K? Seems like a paltry amount to die for IMO. Not excusing police abuse or brutality in any way but you want the cream of the crop then why don't we start paying for it? Yes, we have to pay taxes and yes, I know some think we shouldn't have to do that. But if private companies offered security and we had to pay it directly how much do you think we would be paying? Should we just dump public services altogether?

JonnyPistachio · August 2013

I'm going to lunch with my cop friend today. He's awesome!
For the record, he's only tasered one person.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2013

Riotgirl...

You're getting at what I've said before: we can't pay for Big Macs and expect sirloin steaks. If we expect a top notch service... then we need to pay for a top notch service.

It's a real slap in the face of the officers who perform admirably when we speak of how brutal the police are and how corrupt the police are and how the police are gearing up to take over the country. It's one thing to earn a shit wage... but it's quite another to lose your dignity as society disrespects you.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2013

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I'm going to lunch with my cop friend today. He's awesome!
For the record, he's only tasered one person.

I'm full of suggestions:
If we can't pay them... how about a 'Take Your Cop Friend to Lunch Day'?

Cops enter home without warrant, shoot dogs, kill one.

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