Actually many of the stories I've posted here about this type of abuse has had it's defenders for whatever their reasons. That's one of the reasons why I continue to post such articles. These types of abuses need to be pointed out to show how civilian police forces are turning into military police forces with little to no regard for the most general and basic rights. So really my added commentary was with justification. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you haven't been as active.
In the meantime the real surprise will be any reply from you to any of my threads that actually discusses the topic.
I have yet to see you engage in a reasoned discussion about what causes these abuses of power, how they can best be addressed etc.
Instead, you post link after link from sources of questionable credibility (yes, questionable; I'll continue to point out that you've posted editorials as sources -- editorials!), with the basic theme that "the police were out of line here."
Without offering a counterbalance, such as "but this isn't indicative of all police behavior," or posting the link and then asking people what should be done about it, your default position seems to be "cops suck," an argument you couldn't possibly win or lose (its an opinion, however dumb or ill-informed it might be), and therefore it's very apparent that you're not really interested in attacking the problem, but instead more interested in finding links that support your preconceived notion about cops or politics or Dems or the nature of the individual vs. the State in America etc.
Pretty hard to engage you in a reasoned discussion toward any sort of solution when it's so ridiculously apparent that you want no such discussion. You'd rather bitch and moan about a problem you don't want there to be a solution for, mainly because you get a lot of political capital out of there being instance of excessive force or abuse of power etc. In other words, these posts, without any invitation for discussion, are really just invitations for arguments or intended to pick or prod other people you know may disagree with you.
In sum, if you're going to sit and post links, without any intention of tackling the problem (as best we can in a virtual community), you're trolling and many of the people on here - liberal or conservative - are too intelligent to bite.
If you're going to post links and actually look for solutions to problems we can all agree exist, by all means. Post away. I look forward to your thoughts on the issue. Thus far, it's clear you're not really interested in doing so.
THAT'S why people are responding to you the way they are. Try again.
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Case in point: this discussion quickly turned into one about the salaries of cops, the military-police state, taxes, overpaid firefighters, cops using us as "punching bags," and an unsupported personal belief that police today are very insecure.
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I wonder if they do the same body cavity searches for men!
Peace
that is the nastiest shit i have ever seen. that woman cop used the same rubber gloves on both women. she is a foul disgrace to the badge she sports & that male cop is a straight asshole
Well she was rightfully fired but I was wondering if she changed gloves she could've passed on something to the second woman for sure.
Peace
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There's cops and firefighters in this city making over $125k.
I'll try to find a link and pm it to you, if you don't post it, I'd rather not disclose that level of personal detail on the Internet.
So I see. I cannot call you a liar- and as much as you sometimes drive me bananas... I'm glad for that.
Unsung, let's be real about something here: the highest salaries we see are not the norm. There are police captains making $29,000, sergeants making $24,000, and police captains making $32,000.
Police work is not notoriously known for its lucrative pay scales. To quite the contrary... in the majority of societies, police work is known as service: with low pay, but the opportunity to try and do some good.
I'm not saying all cops are great. I'm saying most are- we see the exceptions on youtube... not the norm. Cops provide a valuable service and most are good, honest, hard working people with strong values that place themselves at risk for many that, to be frank, are ungrateful.
$125K plus for a city cop? Wow- not in my medium sized town. No where near. OP must live some place rather extravagant. OP also has no interest in hearing or saying anything good about law enforcement. Nothing period.
The city in which I live makes it public knowledge what each individual public employee makes -meaning I can look you up by name. My neighbor works for the local police department as a spokesperson and has done so for quite a while and he makes $47K. Newbies make $35K and our police chief makes $168K and I would assume that he makes the highest salary in the department. My point being these guys could DIE at any moment and its ok to start out making $35K? Seems like a paltry amount to die for IMO. Not excusing police abuse or brutality in any way but you want the cream of the crop then why don't we start paying for it? Yes, we have to pay taxes and yes, I know some think we shouldn't have to do that. But if private companies offered security and we had to pay it directly how much do you think we would be paying? Should we just dump public services altogether?
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
You're getting at what I've said before: we can't pay for Big Macs and expect sirloin steaks. If we expect a top notch service... then we need to pay for a top notch service.
It's a real slap in the face of the officers who perform admirably when we speak of how brutal the police are and how corrupt the police are and how the police are gearing up to take over the country. It's one thing to earn a shit wage... but it's quite another to lose your dignity as society disrespects you.
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I have yet to see you engage in a reasoned discussion about what causes these abuses of power, how they can best be addressed etc.
Instead, you post link after link from sources of questionable credibility (yes, questionable; I'll continue to point out that you've posted editorials as sources -- editorials!), with the basic theme that "the police were out of line here."
Without offering a counterbalance, such as "but this isn't indicative of all police behavior," or posting the link and then asking people what should be done about it, your default position seems to be "cops suck," an argument you couldn't possibly win or lose (its an opinion, however dumb or ill-informed it might be), and therefore it's very apparent that you're not really interested in attacking the problem, but instead more interested in finding links that support your preconceived notion about cops or politics or Dems or the nature of the individual vs. the State in America etc.
Pretty hard to engage you in a reasoned discussion toward any sort of solution when it's so ridiculously apparent that you want no such discussion. You'd rather bitch and moan about a problem you don't want there to be a solution for, mainly because you get a lot of political capital out of there being instance of excessive force or abuse of power etc. In other words, these posts, without any invitation for discussion, are really just invitations for arguments or intended to pick or prod other people you know may disagree with you.
In sum, if you're going to sit and post links, without any intention of tackling the problem (as best we can in a virtual community), you're trolling and many of the people on here - liberal or conservative - are too intelligent to bite.
If you're going to post links and actually look for solutions to problems we can all agree exist, by all means. Post away. I look forward to your thoughts on the issue. Thus far, it's clear you're not really interested in doing so.
THAT'S why people are responding to you the way they are. Try again.
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
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2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
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2024-09-15 Fenway 1
2024-09-27 Ohana 1
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Well she was rightfully fired but I was wondering if she changed gloves she could've passed on something to the second woman for sure.
Peace
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
The city in which I live makes it public knowledge what each individual public employee makes -meaning I can look you up by name. My neighbor works for the local police department as a spokesperson and has done so for quite a while and he makes $47K. Newbies make $35K and our police chief makes $168K and I would assume that he makes the highest salary in the department. My point being these guys could DIE at any moment and its ok to start out making $35K? Seems like a paltry amount to die for IMO. Not excusing police abuse or brutality in any way but you want the cream of the crop then why don't we start paying for it? Yes, we have to pay taxes and yes, I know some think we shouldn't have to do that. But if private companies offered security and we had to pay it directly how much do you think we would be paying? Should we just dump public services altogether?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
For the record, he's only tasered one person.
You're getting at what I've said before: we can't pay for Big Macs and expect sirloin steaks. If we expect a top notch service... then we need to pay for a top notch service.
It's a real slap in the face of the officers who perform admirably when we speak of how brutal the police are and how corrupt the police are and how the police are gearing up to take over the country. It's one thing to earn a shit wage... but it's quite another to lose your dignity as society disrespects you.
I'm full of suggestions:
If we can't pay them... how about a 'Take Your Cop Friend to Lunch Day'?