Saturday, May 18 2013

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  • JBii
    JBii Lake Spivey Posts: 354
    chadwick wrote:
    JBii wrote:
    I don't know much about wars but it's not the men in the wars like my Dad that should be less than
    honored or blamed. That is who I am honoring today with a America Fuck Yeah and I think my Dad
    would have liked the picture.
    my grandfather = WWII south pacific island fighting in the army. grandpa killed a lot of japanese. his duty on those islands fucked him up beyond anything decent & normal. solid nightmares at a constant. not one war since has been just. grandpa's portrait from taken in the 1940's from iwo jima or guadal canal or wherever the hell on earth was fought is tattooed on my chest. i know the nightmares he was put into. some days i cry. my grandpa would not like that picture above.
    I get that and respect differences. My Dad was shot down over Germany and held for a couple years.He was quiet about that time. He lied about his age and joined when he was a kid.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    I like this one ...
    one of my old co-workers, and friend, was in the armed forces a while back (far right) ...
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    lol.
    :D
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,218
    edited May 2013
    I prefer the image shown on this link . Seems more honorable to me.

    http://www.defense.gov/afd/

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    2013ArmedForcesDayHiRes by mickeyrat, on Flickr
    What the fuck do I know, just the son of an Army Vet, brother to an Air Force retiree, former member of the Navy myself.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    My father served in the Soloman Islands in WWIIs. Like your grandfather, Chadwick, he too has had nightmares- one in particular when he wakes up thinking his arm was cut off (thankfully, it wasn't). Those men did their duty in a sober manner and many of the today, my father included, speak out against war. He would be very offended by the macho posturing in the OP photo.* This does not represent what his and other generations considered a sense of duty. They did what they believed was needed and made no pretense or show about it.

    The op photo actually does well represent some of the changes in thinking and attitude in America. Those past generations would find this photo highly offensive and I suspect many in America even today would and probably most people outside the U.S. as well. It does not represent us well at all.

    *A couple of good books that well represent that generation of soldier are Hampton Sides Ghost Soldiers
    and James Bradley's Flags of our Fathers and Flyboys. The real irony here is that if you read these books it is not at all difficult to come to the conclusion that some of the thinking about our military today (such as what we see in the OP photo) is much more aligned with the depraved blinded mentality of the Japanese soldiers in World War II (and I do not say this in offense of the honorable Japanese people in general- just those brainwashed men at that time in history) than of our American soldiers then (and many now).


    chadwick wrote:
    JBii wrote:
    I don't know much about wars but it's not the men in the wars like my Dad that should be less than
    honored or blamed. That is who I am honoring today with a America Fuck Yeah and I think my Dad
    would have liked the picture.
    my grandfather = WWII south pacific island fighting in the army. grandpa killed a lot of japanese. his duty on those islands fucked him up beyond anything decent & normal. solid nightmares at a constant. not one war since has been just. grandpa's portrait from taken in the 1940's from iwo jima or guadal canal or wherever the hell on earth was fought is tattooed on my chest. i know the nightmares he was put into. some days i cry. my grandpa would not like that picture above.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,249
    redrock wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    I support out troops- very much so- but I don't Pander to this sort of macho bullshit.

    +1. But I guess if one wants to provoke and get a reaction, anything goes..

    Whoever this person may be ;)

    I agree.

    I was part of that military complex, no wars for me but I was a part of it years ago. That OP image is unnecessary in its machoism, it does appear to be seeking a reaction. Give it a fucking rest please, I'm sure there could have been some other appropriate image they could have come up with. However, that's your choice you made it now you are surely getting a reaction from someone who once paraded around like those in the OP's image.

    Peace
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    brianlux wrote:
    My father served in the Soloman Islands in WWIIs. Like your grandfather, Chadwick, he too has had nightmares- one in particular when he wakes up thinking his arm was cut off (thankfully, it wasn't). Those men did their duty in a sober manner and many of the today, my father included, speak out against war. He would be very offended by the macho posturing in the OP photo.* This does not represent what his and other generations considered a sense of duty. They did what they believed was needed and made no pretense or show about it.

    The op photo actually does well represent some of the changes in thinking and attitude in America. Those past generations would find this photo highly offensive and I suspect many in America even today would and probably most people outside the U.S. as well. It does not represent us well at all.

    *A couple of good books that well represent that generation of soldier are Hampton Sides Ghost Soldiers
    and James Bradley's Flags of our Fathers and Flyboys. The real irony here is that if you read these books it is not at all difficult to come to the conclusion that some of the thinking about our military today (such as what we see in the OP photo) is much more aligned with the depraved blinded mentality of the Japanese soldiers in World War II (and I do not say this in offense of the honorable Japanese people in general- just those brainwashed men at that time in history) than of our American soldiers then (and many now).

    those pacific island battles were straight hell on earth really. gramps ate bugs, monkeys, snakes & whatnot. they were dumped out with little to no food. these guys are the brave. what's that saying? "the greatest generation?"

    i'd rather not go into graphic detail as i do not want to offend any of our japanese friends on here. those japanese soldiers are tough as nails & do not quit.

    i am now upset & need to go for a walk. have a beautiful day everyone.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    chadwick wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    My father served in the Soloman Islands in WWIIs. Like your grandfather, Chadwick, he too has had nightmares- one in particular when he wakes up thinking his arm was cut off (thankfully, it wasn't). Those men did their duty in a sober manner and many of the today, my father included, speak out against war. He would be very offended by the macho posturing in the OP photo.* This does not represent what his and other generations considered a sense of duty. They did what they believed was needed and made no pretense or show about it.

    The op photo actually does well represent some of the changes in thinking and attitude in America. Those past generations would find this photo highly offensive and I suspect many in America even today would and probably most people outside the U.S. as well. It does not represent us well at all.

    *A couple of good books that well represent that generation of soldier are Hampton Sides Ghost Soldiers
    and James Bradley's Flags of our Fathers and Flyboys. The real irony here is that if you read these books it is not at all difficult to come to the conclusion that some of the thinking about our military today (such as what we see in the OP photo) is much more aligned with the depraved blinded mentality of the Japanese soldiers in World War II (and I do not say this in offense of the honorable Japanese people in general- just those brainwashed men at that time in history) than of our American soldiers then (and many now).

    those pacific island battles were straight hell on earth really. gramps ate bugs, monkeys, snakes & whatnot. they were dumped out with little to no food. these guys are the brave. what's that saying? "the greatest generation?"

    i'd rather not go into graphic detail as i do not want to offend any of our japanese friends on here. those japanese soldiers are tough as nails & do not quit.

    i am now upset & need to go for a walk. have a beautiful day everyone.

    Yes, those Japanese were tough- no doubt about that. I certainly meant no slight to all the Japanese by my comment above. It was their leaders that were twisted and evil. The Japanese soldiers in WWII were brainwashed, beaten and tortured by their officers and leaders and unfortunately as a result some of them went and did some horrible things to the allied troops- not to men the Chinese which is what The Rape of Nanking is all about. In both of Bradley's books he talked about how more than a few Japanese soldiers were opposed to the fighting and in some case befriended the American, British and other allied soldiers. Maybe this is what we should focus on- peaceful interactions rather than war.

    In fact, I would like to suggest that as well as honoring soldiers of war, we honor soldiers of peace.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,249
    I'm watching Flags Of Our Fathers at the moment on TNT and it brings back memories I don't want to remember. Not the war aspects just days where I had to follow orders being young and trained for battle. There's a very good reason I end a majority of my posts with the word....

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    brianlux wrote:
    Those past generations would find this photo highly offensive and I suspect many in America even today would and probably most people outside the U.S. as well. It does not represent us well at all.

    Brian, I'm pretty sure the poster is meant to be sarcastic as a mockery to that "fuck yeah" attitude which you speak of.

    It wasn't meant to be embraced as serious.

    or at least, gawd I hope not :?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    When's Postal Workers Day?

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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    JBii wrote:
    Armed Forces Day

    honor our military pay tribute and

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    Just tools of the trade people....Why is it bad these days for men to be Macho, but it's okay for men to be Fem?
    I notice the mail man is holding boxes that are part of his JOB...lucky guy, he is not having to carry a bazooka.....
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    aerial wrote:

    Just tools of the trade people....Why is it bad these days for men to be Macho, but it's okay for men to be Fem?
    I notice the mail man is holding boxes that are part of his JOB...lucky guy, he is not having to carry a bazooka.....

    it's actually not the guys in the picture that bother me. I don't know the context of when/how/why it was taken. but then someone turned into some macho bullshit, as brian put it. it has the same effect, to me, of a guy in a giant truck that feels the need to throw the pedal down just to show he's got a pedal.

    guys who are insecure about their manhood pull that garbage.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    aerial wrote:
    Why is it bad these days for men to be Macho, but it's okay for men to be Fem?.

    I don't personally know any macho guys that aren't total douche bags.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited May 2013
    I actually don't have a problem with people honouring or commemorating the military. But I don't think that 2013 is the time to be doing it, considering the U.S military has been hijacked and used as pawns by a bunch of greed-heads in D.C and Texas. And considering the military is currently being used to oppress and murder countless poor people in foreign lands, I say you can keep your Saturday, May 18th.

    Just my two cents worth (And true to form, as always :P )
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    How can we be oppressing them as we send millions of dollars?
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    aerial wrote:
    How can we be oppressing them as we send millions of dollars?

    What?
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    aerial wrote:
    JBii wrote:
    Armed Forces Day

    honor our military pay tribute and

    71-america-fuck-yeah_zps51685829.jpg

    Just tools of the trade people....Why is it bad these days for men to be Macho, but it's okay for men to be Fem?
    I notice the mail man is holding boxes that are part of his JOB...lucky guy, he is not having to carry a bazooka.....

    :-?
    :shock:
    :roll:
    :crazy:
    :crazy:
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,218
    aerial wrote:
    JBii wrote:
    Armed Forces Day

    honor our military pay tribute and

    71-america-fuck-yeah_zps51685829.jpg

    Just tools of the trade people....Why is it bad these days for men to be Macho, but it's okay for men to be Fem?
    I notice the mail man is holding boxes that are part of his JOB...lucky guy, he is not having to carry a bazooka.....
    The Mailman isnt hamming it up for a picture. He DOING his job. On the other hand , maybe this is what we are paying our men and women in the military to do for their job.
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    So why hasn't Mr Wonderful brought these men home....all those that voted for him? But while they are there it's okay for them to goof around a bit since there job is killing....for us
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    mickeyrat wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    JBii wrote:
    Armed Forces Day

    honor our military pay tribute and

    71-america-fuck-yeah_zps51685829.jpg

    Just tools of the trade people....Why is it bad these days for men to be Macho, but it's okay for men to be Fem?
    I notice the mail man is holding boxes that are part of his JOB...lucky guy, he is not having to carry a bazooka.....
    The Mailman isnt hamming it up for a picture. He DOING his job. On the other hand , maybe this is what we are paying our men and women in the military to do for their job.

    Yes we are ......would you rather they be shown shooting the enemy?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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