Saturday, May 18 2013

JBii

Armed Forces Day

honor our military pay tribute and

RustyShackelford

JBii wrote:

Armed Forces Day

honor our military pay tribute and

JBii

RustyShackelford wrote:

JBii wrote:

Armed Forces Day

honor our military pay tribute and

:thumbup: fuck yeah!

brianlux

I support out troops- very much so- but I don't Pander to this sort of macho bullshit.

JBii

brianlux wrote:

I support out troops- very much so- but I don't Pander to this sort of macho bullshit.

We could get a picture of a puddy tat with a big America fuck yeah! Its the passion man whatever yours is.

chadwick

that picture is disgusting & proves brainwashing is live & well. i do not support anything near that photo

redrock

brianlux wrote:

I support out troops- very much so- but I don't Pander to this sort of macho bullshit.

+1. But I guess if one wants to provoke and get a reaction, anything goes..

Whoever this person may be

Godfather.

wow all this person posted is;Armed Forces Day

honor our military pay tribute.

and the subject and poster get a hail storm of shit...welcome to the AMT a guess... :?


Godfather.

JBii

Godfather. wrote:

wow all this person posted is;Armed Forces Day

honor our military pay tribute.

and the subject and poster get a hail storm of shit...welcome to the AMT a guess... :?


Godfather.

Yep, it's all about our military, paying tribute and honoring our heroes.That should bring everyone together.

chadwick

invading other countries, occupying them countries & murdering millions of innocent people, men, women, & children isn't something to praise. more like vomiting

that picture above is ridiculous

EchosNobodyHears

brianlux wrote:

I support out troops- very much so- but I don't Pander to this sort of macho bullshit.

This.

redrock

As some have said godfather, the picture is there to provoke. How about this one - shows their sacrifice and why we need to support them even if we don't believe in the wars.

My dad, having had a full army career would be quite offended at this portrayal of the army in the op. So would a lot of military people.

JBii

Looks like we got some non supporters of our military. My dad a POW in WWII Air Force Major,
long career, a hero. I think we did an ok job in that War. He suffered but came home.
Remember the suffering and the sacrifice. He deserves this.

JBii

The picture provokes? I liked the America Fuck Yeah part.

brianlux

I'm always amazed when people assume that those of us who do not support war also do not support our soldiers. Personally, I am opposed to all war. To an extent, I understand our involvement in World War II but I find it very difficult to find any reasonable support for any wars since, particularly those involving the middle east.

That said, I still support our troops and would highly question anyone who would doubt that of me. My nephew served three tours in a war in the middle east for which I am strongly opposed. But I just as strongly- no, more strongly- support my nephew and feel very fortunate that he is still alive.

Our book business is owned and supported by people who oppose war but we support our troops. We have often sent books to our troops.

I find it highly offensive that someone would jump to the conclusion that I or some others here do not support our troops. To say so could only- to my way of thinking- be done to provoke.

chadwick

brianlux wrote:

I'm always amazed when people assume that those of us who do not support war also do not support our soldiers. Personally, I am opposed to all war. To an extent, I understand our involvement in World War II but I find it very difficult to find any reasonable support for any wars since, particularly those involving the middle east.

That said, I still support our troops and would highly question anyone who would doubt that of me. My nephew served three tours in a war in the middle east for which I am strongly opposed. But I just as strongly- no, more strongly- support my nephew and feel very fortunate that he is still alive.

Our book business is owned and supported by people who oppose war but we support our troops. We have often sent books to our troops.

I find it highly offensive that someone would jump to the conclusion that I or some others here do not support our troops. To say so could only- to my way of thinking- be done to provoke.

a great man of intelligence writes a nice little message like the one here

JBii

chadwick wrote:

invading other countries, occupying them countries & murdering millions of innocent people, men, women, & children isn't something to praise. more like vomiting

that picture above is ridiculous

I think I got the impression that not all supported our troops from this

rollings

JBii wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

wow all this person posted is;Armed Forces Day

honor our military pay tribute.

and the subject and poster get a hail storm of shit...welcome to the AMT a guess... :?


Godfather.

Yep, it's all about our military, paying tribute and honoring our heroes.That should bring everyone together.

chadwick

JBii wrote:

chadwick wrote:

invading other countries, occupying them countries & murdering millions of innocent people, men, women, & children isn't something to praise. more like vomiting

that picture above is ridiculous

I think I got the impression that not all supported our troops from this

number 1.) the picture is dumb as shit & shows ignorance with "America, fuck yeah" giant bazookas & heavily armed dudes with machine guns all looking like doorknobs

number 2.) from the Korean war...................... to present date = full on stupidity = warhawks like our pals W & chainey

JBii

I don't know much about wars but it's not the men in the wars like my Dad that should be less than
honored or blamed. That is who I am honoring today with a America Fuck Yeah and I think my Dad
would have liked the picture.

chadwick

JBii wrote:

I don't know much about wars but it's not the men in the wars like my Dad that should be less than
honored or blamed. That is who I am honoring today with a America Fuck Yeah and I think my Dad
would have liked the picture.

my grandfather = WWII south pacific island fighting in the army. grandpa killed a lot of japanese. his duty on those islands fucked him up beyond anything decent & normal. solid nightmares at a constant. not one war since has been just. grandpa's portrait from taken in the 1940's from iwo jima or guadal canal or wherever the hell on earth was fought is tattooed on my chest. i know the nightmares he was put into. some days i cry. my grandpa would not like that picture above.

so many islands i can't remember them all. one they called christmas tree island. there was midway, saipan, okinawa & others

JBii

chadwick wrote:

JBii wrote:

I don't know much about wars but it's not the men in the wars like my Dad that should be less than
honored or blamed. That is who I am honoring today with a America Fuck Yeah and I think my Dad
would have liked the picture.

my grandfather = WWII south pacific island fighting in the army. grandpa killed a lot of japanese. his duty on those islands fucked him up beyond anything decent & normal. solid nightmares at a constant. not one war since has been just. grandpa's portrait from taken in the 1940's from iwo jima or guadal canal or wherever the hell on earth was fought is tattooed on my chest. i know the nightmares he was put into. some days i cry. my grandpa would not like that picture above.

I get that and respect differences. My Dad was shot down over Germany and held for a couple years.He was quiet about that time. He lied about his age and joined when he was a kid.

DriftingByTheStorm

I like this one ...
one of my old co-workers, and friend, was in the armed forces a while back (far right) ...


lol.

mickeyrat

I prefer the image shown on this link . Seems more honorable to me.

http://www.defense.gov/afd/


2013ArmedForcesDayHiRes by mickeyrat, on Flickr
What the fuck do I know, just the son of an Army Vet, brother to an Air Force retiree, former member of the Navy myself.

brianlux

My father served in the Soloman Islands in WWIIs. Like your grandfather, Chadwick, he too has had nightmares- one in particular when he wakes up thinking his arm was cut off (thankfully, it wasn't). Those men did their duty in a sober manner and many of the today, my father included, speak out against war. He would be very offended by the macho posturing in the OP photo.* This does not represent what his and other generations considered a sense of duty. They did what they believed was needed and made no pretense or show about it.

The op photo actually does well represent some of the changes in thinking and attitude in America. Those past generations would find this photo highly offensive and I suspect many in America even today would and probably most people outside the U.S. as well. It does not represent us well at all.

*A couple of good books that well represent that generation of soldier are Hampton Sides Ghost Soldiers
and James Bradley's Flags of our Fathers and Flyboys. The real irony here is that if you read these books it is not at all difficult to come to the conclusion that some of the thinking about our military today (such as what we see in the OP photo) is much more aligned with the depraved blinded mentality of the Japanese soldiers in World War II (and I do not say this in offense of the honorable Japanese people in general- just those brainwashed men at that time in history) than of our American soldiers then (and many now).

chadwick wrote:

JBii wrote:

I don't know much about wars but it's not the men in the wars like my Dad that should be less than
honored or blamed. That is who I am honoring today with a America Fuck Yeah and I think my Dad
would have liked the picture.

my grandfather = WWII south pacific island fighting in the army. grandpa killed a lot of japanese. his duty on those islands fucked him up beyond anything decent & normal. solid nightmares at a constant. not one war since has been just. grandpa's portrait from taken in the 1940's from iwo jima or guadal canal or wherever the hell on earth was fought is tattooed on my chest. i know the nightmares he was put into. some days i cry. my grandpa would not like that picture above.

g under p

redrock wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I support out troops- very much so- but I don't Pander to this sort of macho bullshit.

+1. But I guess if one wants to provoke and get a reaction, anything goes..

Whoever this person may be

I agree.

I was part of that military complex, no wars for me but I was a part of it years ago. That OP image is unnecessary in its machoism, it does appear to be seeking a reaction. Give it a fucking rest please, I'm sure there could have been some other appropriate image they could have come up with. However, that's your choice you made it now you are surely getting a reaction from someone who once paraded around like those in the OP's image.

Peace

chadwick

brianlux wrote:

My father served in the Soloman Islands in WWIIs. Like your grandfather, Chadwick, he too has had nightmares- one in particular when he wakes up thinking his arm was cut off (thankfully, it wasn't). Those men did their duty in a sober manner and many of the today, my father included, speak out against war. He would be very offended by the macho posturing in the OP photo.* This does not represent what his and other generations considered a sense of duty. They did what they believed was needed and made no pretense or show about it.

The op photo actually does well represent some of the changes in thinking and attitude in America. Those past generations would find this photo highly offensive and I suspect many in America even today would and probably most people outside the U.S. as well. It does not represent us well at all.

*A couple of good books that well represent that generation of soldier are Hampton Sides Ghost Soldiers
and James Bradley's Flags of our Fathers and Flyboys. The real irony here is that if you read these books it is not at all difficult to come to the conclusion that some of the thinking about our military today (such as what we see in the OP photo) is much more aligned with the depraved blinded mentality of the Japanese soldiers in World War II (and I do not say this in offense of the honorable Japanese people in general- just those brainwashed men at that time in history) than of our American soldiers then (and many now).

those pacific island battles were straight hell on earth really. gramps ate bugs, monkeys, snakes & whatnot. they were dumped out with little to no food. these guys are the brave. what's that saying? "the greatest generation?"

i'd rather not go into graphic detail as i do not want to offend any of our japanese friends on here. those japanese soldiers are tough as nails & do not quit.

i am now upset & need to go for a walk. have a beautiful day everyone.

brianlux

chadwick wrote:

brianlux wrote:

My father served in the Soloman Islands in WWIIs. Like your grandfather, Chadwick, he too has had nightmares- one in particular when he wakes up thinking his arm was cut off (thankfully, it wasn't). Those men did their duty in a sober manner and many of the today, my father included, speak out against war. He would be very offended by the macho posturing in the OP photo.* This does not represent what his and other generations considered a sense of duty. They did what they believed was needed and made no pretense or show about it.

The op photo actually does well represent some of the changes in thinking and attitude in America. Those past generations would find this photo highly offensive and I suspect many in America even today would and probably most people outside the U.S. as well. It does not represent us well at all.

*A couple of good books that well represent that generation of soldier are Hampton Sides Ghost Soldiers
and James Bradley's Flags of our Fathers and Flyboys. The real irony here is that if you read these books it is not at all difficult to come to the conclusion that some of the thinking about our military today (such as what we see in the OP photo) is much more aligned with the depraved blinded mentality of the Japanese soldiers in World War II (and I do not say this in offense of the honorable Japanese people in general- just those brainwashed men at that time in history) than of our American soldiers then (and many now).

those pacific island battles were straight hell on earth really. gramps ate bugs, monkeys, snakes & whatnot. they were dumped out with little to no food. these guys are the brave. what's that saying? "the greatest generation?"

i'd rather not go into graphic detail as i do not want to offend any of our japanese friends on here. those japanese soldiers are tough as nails & do not quit.

i am now upset & need to go for a walk. have a beautiful day everyone.

Yes, those Japanese were tough- no doubt about that. I certainly meant no slight to all the Japanese by my comment above. It was their leaders that were twisted and evil. The Japanese soldiers in WWII were brainwashed, beaten and tortured by their officers and leaders and unfortunately as a result some of them went and did some horrible things to the allied troops- not to men the Chinese which is what The Rape of Nanking is all about. In both of Bradley's books he talked about how more than a few Japanese soldiers were opposed to the fighting and in some case befriended the American, British and other allied soldiers. Maybe this is what we should focus on- peaceful interactions rather than war.

In fact, I would like to suggest that as well as honoring soldiers of war, we honor soldiers of peace.

g under p

I'm watching Flags Of Our Fathers at the moment on TNT and it brings back memories I don't want to remember. Not the war aspects just days where I had to follow orders being young and trained for battle. There's a very good reason I end a majority of my posts with the word....

Peace

rollings

brianlux wrote:

Those past generations would find this photo highly offensive and I suspect many in America even today would and probably most people outside the U.S. as well. It does not represent us well at all.

Brian, I'm pretty sure the poster is meant to be sarcastic as a mockery to that "fuck yeah" attitude which you speak of.

It wasn't meant to be embraced as serious.

or at least, gawd I hope not :?

Byrnzie

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