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hedonist wrote:JimmyV wrote:I think vices should always be taxed. Tax the smokers, tax the drinkers (is that me in the mirror?), tax the gamblers (shit, there I am again!), and tax the stoners.
As to taxing vices, where does it end? Will we then deem things like coffee and sweets vices as well? Who even decides what a vice is?
Flat-tax it all!
I don't think of taxing as a reason why it should be legal. I see no reason at all why it should be illegal, taxed or untaxed.
I'm not sure where the line between what is vice and what is not lies but I know there is one. And if they ever come after my coffee I will join a militia and begin stockpiling guns.___________________________________________
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JimmyV wrote:I think vices should always be taxed. Tax the smokers, tax the drinkers (is that me in the mirror?), tax the gamblers (shit, there I am again!), and tax the stoners.
there are peole who consider sex a vice... how you gonna tax that?hear my name
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catefrances wrote:JimmyV wrote:I think vices should always be taxed. Tax the smokers, tax the drinkers (is that me in the mirror?), tax the gamblers (shit, there I am again!), and tax the stoners.
there are peole who consider sex a vice... how you gonna tax that?
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mikepegg44 wrote:catefrances wrote:JimmyV wrote:I think vices should always be taxed. Tax the smokers, tax the drinkers (is that me in the mirror?), tax the gamblers (shit, there I am again!), and tax the stoners.
there are peole who consider sex a vice... how you gonna tax that?
allow it to be sold?
oh its already being sold... one way or another.hear my name
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mikepegg44 wrote:catefrances wrote:JimmyV wrote:I think vices should always be taxed. Tax the smokers, tax the drinkers (is that me in the mirror?), tax the gamblers (shit, there I am again!), and tax the stoners.
there are peole who consider sex a vice... how you gonna tax that?
allow it to be sold?
Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.___________________________________________
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JimmyV wrote:
Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.
I am sure it comes as a shock to you, but I would like to see it legalized throughout the country. I think it would be safer and the ones selling themselves would see more of the profits if the businesses were legal and they were allowed to work as contractors.
Lots of tax help in the form of payroll taxes that's for sure.
But that is neither here nor there, if weed has trouble getting national legalization, prostitution has no chance.that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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JimmyV wrote:mikepegg44 wrote:catefrances wrote:
there are peole who consider sex a vice... how you gonna tax that?
allow it to be sold?
Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.
btw i said sex is a vice, not prostitution. so i ask again, how would you tax that? base it on orgasms attained? cause that might be problematic and put guys in a higher tax bracket that the girls.hear my name
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catefrances wrote:JimmyV wrote:
Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.
btw i said sex is a vice, not prostitution. so i ask again, how would you tax that? base it on orgasms attained? cause that might be problematic and put guys in a higher tax bracket that the girls.
I don't think that consensual sex between two adults can correctly be labeled as a vice, even though some disagree. I think the only way it can correctly be considered a vice is in the case of prostitution.___________________________________________
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catefrances wrote:
btw i said sex is a vice, not prostitution. so i ask again, how would you tax that? base it on orgasms attained? cause that might be problematic and put guys in a higher tax bracket that the girls.
(anyway, we should tax it on orgasms given too, not just attained. It'd get rid of - or at least reduce - that fakery shit)
I'm down with prostitution itself being legalized and, like any other business, taxed.0 -
mikepegg44 wrote:JimmyV wrote:
Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.
I am sure it comes as a shock to you, but I would like to see it legalized throughout the country. I think it would be safer and the ones selling themselves would see more of the profits if the businesses were legal and they were allowed to work as contractors.
Lots of tax help in the form of payroll taxes that's for sure.
But that is neither here nor there, if weed has trouble getting national legalization, prostitution has no chance.
Truth be told I don't disagree. You are correct that it will never happen, but much like legalizing marijuana would cripple the Mexican cartels, legalizing prostitution would eliminate the street corner pimps and reduce the number of girls who are forced into it against their will.___________________________________________
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JimmyV wrote:catefrances wrote:JimmyV wrote:
Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.
btw i said sex is a vice, not prostitution. so i ask again, how would you tax that? base it on orgasms attained? cause that might be problematic and put guys in a higher tax bracket that the girls.
I don't think that consensual sex between two adults can correctly be labeled as a vice, even though some disagree. I think the only way it can correctly be considered a vice is in the case of prostitution.
you might wanna look up the definition.hear my name
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Chip McFlennigan wrote:Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
well, hard to tell sarcasm on the internets.
It was pretty over-the-top. Then again, people actually do believe that shit.
Eh, it's a wash.
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hedonist wrote:catefrances wrote:
btw i said sex is a vice, not prostitution. so i ask again, how would you tax that? base it on orgasms attained? cause that might be problematic and put guys in a higher tax bracket that the girls.
(anyway, we should tax it on orgasms given too, not just attained. It'd get rid of - or at least reduce - that fakery shit)
I'm down with prostitution itself being legalized and, like any other business, taxed.
i originally said some people consider it a vice. me? im really not sure we should get started on what i think is acceptable sexwise.. kats watching.do i personally think sex is a vice? no... but sometimes it sure feels lke it.
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Here are Webster's definitions of "vice". Pick one and run with the sex thing. This should be interesting
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a : moral depravity or corruption : wickedness
b : a moral fault or failing
c : a habitual and usually trivial defect or shortcoming : foible <suffered from the vice of curiosity>
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: blemish, defect
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: a physical imperfection, deformity, or taint
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a often capitalized : a character representing one of the vices in an English morality play
b : buffoon, jester
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: an abnormal behavior pattern in a domestic animal detrimental to its health or usefulness
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: sexual immorality; especially : prostitution
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Marijuana Prohibition Now Costs The Government $20 Billion A Year: Economist
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NEW YORK -- Marijuana prohibition now costs state and federal government as much as $20 billion a year, an economist told The Huffington Post -- and legalization efforts are only just beginning to chip away at that.
That number comes from Jeffrey Miron, a senior lecturer at Harvard University who in 2010 studied the likely impacts of drug legalization, finding that about $8.7 billion would be saved on law enforcement and another $8.7 billion would be generated from taxes on marijuana. Accounting for inflation, that would add up to about $20 billion now, he said.
The number is modest in terms of the overall government budget -- but far too high a price to pay for a drug that does little to harm non-users, he argued.
As Miron acknowledges, his number is sort of a thought experiment, a suggestion of what would happen if marijuana was legalized on every level of government. Despite a recent Pew Research poll finding that 52 percent of Americans support marijuana legalization, politicians seem to only just now bewarming up to that proposition.
In Colorado and Washington, voters led the way in November referendums. But the rules and regulation around marijuana, which will be treated similarly to alcohol and tobacco under the states' laws, are only beginning to be hammered out.
During the runup to Washington's referendum, the state branch of the American Civil Liberties Union estimated that local governments spent $211 million on enforcing marijuana laws between 2000 and 2010.
Alison Holcomb, the state ACLU's drug policy director, told HuffPost that local governments are already reaping the rewards of legalization.
"Just within a week after the vote, county prosecutors across the state started dismissing misdemeanor marijuana possession cases that were pending at the time, and there were over 220 cases that were dismissed," she said. "So that was a very tangible example of the criminal justice costs that we were already saving, even before the actual initiative went into effect."
Although the potential marijuana tax revenues were a major selling point for voters in Colorado and Washington, neither state has yet decided how it will tax the green stuff. The states' decisions are being complicated by the Obama administration, which has yet to announce how it will respond to legalization.
If the feds take a hard line, said Miron, expect state tax collections to be insignificant. "I think a lot of their industries are going to stay sort of in the shadows. There's going to be very little tax revenue collected," he said.
Whatever happens to state treasuries, the human costs of marijuana laws are clear: around 750,000 people were arrested for marijuana-related crimes in 2011. That's one arrest every 42 seconds.0 -
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