Majority of Americans want marijuana legalized

JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
edited July 2013 in A Moving Train
...Says Zogby. Of course, it makes sense!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/0 ... 98196.html

A majority of Americans, in a poll released Wednesday, say it "makes sense to tax and regulate" marijuana. The Zogby poll, commissioned by the conservative-leaning O'Leary Report, surveyed 3,937 voters and found 52 percent in favor of legalization. Only 37 percent opposed.

A previous ABC News/Washington Post poll found 46 percent in support. In California, a Field Poll found 56 percent backing legalization.

Responding to the poll at a press conference Tuesday, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger called for an open debate on legalization.

Voters were asked: "Scarce law enforcement and prison resources, a desire to neutralize drug cartels and the need for new sources of revenue have resurrected the topic of legalizing marijuana. Proponents say it makes sense to tax and regulate the drug while opponents say that legalization would lead marijuana users to use other illegal drugs. Would you favor or oppose the government's effort to legalize marijuana?"
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,769
    The regressives don't know what to do...

    Majority of Americans approve of Gay marriage
    Majority of americans want the legalization of marijuana
    A large part of America is no longer religious and certainly not christian
    and soon a majority of Americans are no long old white guys
    :o
  • CAVSTARR313CAVSTARR313 Posts: 8,756
    The regressives don't know what to do...

    Majority of Americans approve of Gay marriage
    Majority of americans want the legalization of marijuana
    A large part of America is no longer religious and certainly not christian
    and soon a majority of Americans are no long old white guys
    :o
    I am gonna miss the old white guys :lol: they are so racist and funny ;)

    My 85 year old white grandma sees no problem with pot (she actually doesn't see much of anything anymore)..

    Not all old white folks suck, just the ones with a shit ton of money it seams..
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Again with the old white guy schtik... !

    Anyway (and again with my mistrust of polls!), most everyone I know is for having it legal and available. We're so far from the reefer madness mentality, I think.

    I hope.
  • ryph raphryph raph Posts: 887
    " opponents say that legalization would lead marijuana users to use other illegal drugs " Why aren't the potheads of America turning into heroin addicts ? :mrgreen:
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    "Old white guys." My old man is 92 and white and he can whoop any of you pencil neck punks! :lol:

    Other than that wise crack, young whippersnapper Mr. Bentlyspop, I'm totally with you. :thumbup:

    America, we're already real. Let's just get with it.

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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I have no problem with it being legal. I have a BIG problem with taxing it unless the government lowers taxes somewhere else.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    ryph raph wrote:
    " opponents say that legalization would lead marijuana users to use other illegal drugs " Why aren't the potheads of America turning into heroin addicts ? :mrgreen:

    Some do. You have your head in the sand if you think otherwise.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Washington and Colorado seem to be holding up so far. No riots, decay of society, or The Warriors scenerios seem to be playing out.

    Obama, or should I call you King 'Choom ... do it.

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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Jason P wrote:
    Washington and Colorado seem to be holding up so far. No riots, decay of society, or The Warriors scenerios seem to be playing out.

    Obama, or should I call you King 'Choom ... do it.

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-VjnHVLt73AU3odwQYr58b9nScjMGrkcN73YFRQG7qYFd-BrY


    the college hockey team at Denver just fired the one of the more respected and winning coaches in College hockey history...I don't think it is a coincidence it happens shortly after it is legal to grow your own weed. I cannot think of any other reason to fire the best coach in college hockey other than the AD at Denver must have been high
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  • know1 wrote:
    I have no problem with it being legal. I have a BIG problem with taxing it unless the government lowers taxes somewhere else.
    why are you against taxing it?

    they tax alcohol and cigarettes. why not weed as well?

    what is the problem that conservatives have with the government taking in money?

    seriously, they bitch about deficits, yet when the opportunity to bring in money to reduce deficits arises, they oppose it 100% of the time....

    :fp:
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  • this is nice and all, but i can think of many resons why it will never be legalized.

    the first one i can think of is that legalization would hurt the prison industrial complex too much. minor drug offenses have resulted in more americans being in prison than at any time in our history. privately run prisons stand to lose too much money if marijuana was decriminalized.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    How come the smokers on national news are always stoners or old hippies?
    Time to get mainstream out of the pot closet.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    know1 wrote:
    I have no problem with it being legal. I have a BIG problem with taxing it unless the government lowers taxes somewhere else.
    why are you against taxing it?

    they tax alcohol and cigarettes. why not weed as well?

    what is the problem that conservatives have with the government taking in money?

    seriously, they bitch about deficits, yet when the opportunity to bring in money to reduce deficits arises, they oppose it 100% of the time....

    :fp:

    But where does it end? Why does the government need to keep taking more and more money away from the people? Is there a limit?

    Citizens and businesses have to find ways to live within their own budgets. The government can just legislate more income and never has to cut anything.

    My point is the pro-marijuana crowd likes to add "and they can tax it" as a way to justify it being legalized without really thinking about why the government would need to tax it. If anything the money and resources they won't have to spend enforcing it as a crime should be enough of a bonus to the government to satisfy it.
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    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    know1 wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    I have no problem with it being legal. I have a BIG problem with taxing it unless the government lowers taxes somewhere else.
    why are you against taxing it?

    they tax alcohol and cigarettes. why not weed as well?

    what is the problem that conservatives have with the government taking in money?

    seriously, they bitch about deficits, yet when the opportunity to bring in money to reduce deficits arises, they oppose it 100% of the time....

    :fp:

    But where does it end? Why does the government need to keep taking more and more money away from the people? Is there a limit?

    Citizens and businesses have to find ways to live within their own budgets. The government can just legislate more income and never has to cut anything.

    My point is the pro-marijuana crowd likes to add "and they can tax it" as a way to justify it being legalized without really thinking about why the government would need to tax it. If anything the money and resources they won't have to spend enforcing it as a crime should be enough of a bonus to the government to satisfy it.

    and how would they tax my plants growing behind the garage??? would they make growing marijuana illegal??? or would there need to be some sort of regulation squad going around checking on those registered growers to make sure they were paying their dues and not growing too many plants??? may as well try and regulate dandelions.
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  • and how would they tax my plants growing behind the garage??? would they make growing marijuana illegal??? or would there need to be some sort of regulation squad going around checking on those registered growers to make sure they were paying their dues and not growing too many plants??? may as well try and regulate dandelions.
    this is assuming everyone was growing their own stuff. most stoners i know are all about convenience. if they can walk down to a 7-11 or a head shop and get it rather than grow their own, they would.

    i would think that they might limit the size of the field that you can use to grow it. if you grow it for personal use, you would only need a couple of plants. you would not need fields of it. i can see them restricting the size of the area that you use to grow it. that way people aren't tempted to grow acres of it to sell it.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    and how would they tax my plants growing behind the garage??? would they make growing marijuana illegal??? or would there need to be some sort of regulation squad going around checking on those registered growers to make sure they were paying their dues and not growing too many plants??? may as well try and regulate dandelions.
    this is assuming everyone was growing their own stuff. most stoners i know are all about convenience. if they can walk down to a 7-11 or a head shop and get it rather than grow their own, they would.

    i would think that they might limit the size of the field that you can use to grow it. if you grow it for personal use, you would only need a couple of plants. you would not need fields of it. i can see them restricting the size of the area that you use to grow it. that way people aren't tempted to grow acres of it to sell it.
    Growing plants is a pain in the ass (i.e. spider mites) ... or so I was told ... :angel:
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Jason P wrote:
    and how would they tax my plants growing behind the garage??? would they make growing marijuana illegal??? or would there need to be some sort of regulation squad going around checking on those registered growers to make sure they were paying their dues and not growing too many plants??? may as well try and regulate dandelions.
    this is assuming everyone was growing their own stuff. most stoners i know are all about convenience. if they can walk down to a 7-11 or a head shop and get it rather than grow their own, they would.

    i would think that they might limit the size of the field that you can use to grow it. if you grow it for personal use, you would only need a couple of plants. you would not need fields of it. i can see them restricting the size of the area that you use to grow it. that way people aren't tempted to grow acres of it to sell it.
    Growing plants is a pain in the ass (i.e. spider mites) ... or so I was told ... :angel:

    depends on your soil... or so i was told. ;)
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  • :lol:

    you two crack me up!
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    and how would they tax my plants growing behind the garage??? would they make growing marijuana illegal??? or would there need to be some sort of regulation squad going around checking on those registered growers to make sure they were paying their dues and not growing too many plants??? may as well try and regulate dandelions.
    this is assuming everyone was growing their own stuff. most stoners i know are all about convenience. if they can walk down to a 7-11 or a head shop and get it rather than grow their own, they would.

    i would think that they might limit the size of the field that you can use to grow it. if you grow it for personal use, you would only need a couple of plants. you would not need fields of it. i can see them restricting the size of the area that you use to grow it. that way people aren't tempted to grow acres of it to sell it.

    im not assuming everyones growing their own. i was just thinking that surely if they legalise it then youll be allowed to grow your own.. but then how do they regulate that. or do they just make growing your own illegal.. which imo is bullshit.. but thats where their control and regulation will come in. instead of GM monsanto mutant crops people can grow marijuana as a cash crop. itll be like wheat.. but i really cant see that happening tbh. and growing my own means im not forking out money to someone else to do what i can do. the south australian govt allowed its stoners to grow their own, then they changed the quantity allowable... which im thinking had a few people confused for a little bit.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I wouldn't mind the taxing of it as a product sold (though not sure how the particulars would work) if our government wasn't so fucking inept in their spending and how they use our money to begin with.

    (gimmie, I'm a fiscal conservative, so please stop using the 100% brush ;) )

    As to the gateway argument - yes, some do move on to bigger and better things, so to speak. But many don't. It's akin to making new cars have those ugly-ass backup sensors because relatively few people weren't paying attention, either as a pedestrian or as a driver.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I've been saying this for a few years... It's in the best interest of the government to tax and regulate marijuana. The gov't is in a shit hole, the economy is worse. If they refuse to take advantage of the opportunity then Congress really does insist on continuing to self injure the country, and the country's future.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I've been saying this for a few years... It's in the best interest of the government to tax and regulate marijuana. The gov't is in a shit hole, the economy is worse. If they refuse to take advantage of the opportunity then Congress really does insist on continuing to self injure the country, and the country's future.

    so youre for giving the govt more money to flush down the crapper??
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  • Only evil criminals do the whacky tobacky!

    I'm looking at you, atheists, gays, women, blacks, immigrants, and communists! You'll never get away with this! :nono:

    please tell me this is a joke.
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  • and how would they tax my plants growing behind the garage??? would they make growing marijuana illegal??? or would there need to be some sort of regulation squad going around checking on those registered growers to make sure they were paying their dues and not growing too many plants??? may as well try and regulate dandelions.

    I'm guessing it would be the same as cigarettes and alcohol. can someone potentially grow and their own tobacco? yes, they could. I don't know about the US or Australia, but here in Canada, we are allowed to brew our own wine and beer. Of course, unless you are a brewmaster, you still have to buy the tin of beer mix, which is taxed. But maybe they'd be willing to sell the seeds and tax those.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Only evil criminals do the whacky tobacky!

    I'm looking at you, atheists, gays, women, blacks, immigrants, and communists! You'll never get away with this! :nono:

    please tell me this is a joke.
    I'm pretty sure it is :)

    I'm curious - what if I had a garden full of trees and fruits and vegetables, and wanted to sell them to or barter with my neighbors. In general, is that considered a private transaction or subject to taxes?
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Legalize it and tax the hell out of it.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    JimmyV wrote:
    Legalize it and tax the hell out of it.

    hows about just legalise it. no tax. no fines... omg somebody ate all the pie... whats wrong with that? as far as im concerned taxing something doesnt automatically make it legitimate. the govt cant even be trusted with the taxes they recieve now.. giving them more isnt gonna help the economy if theyre already too inept to balance their cheque book.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    JimmyV wrote:
    Legalize it and tax the hell out of it.

    hows about just legalise it. no tax. no fines... omg somebody ate all the pie... whats wrong with that? as far as im concerned taxing something doesnt automatically make it legitimate. the govt cant even be trusted with the taxes they recieve now.. giving them more isnt gonna help the economy if theyre already too inept to balance their cheque book.

    Don't want to pay the tobacco tax? Don't smoke cigarettes.

    Don't want to pay the alcohol tax? Don't drink booze.

    Don't want to pay the marijuana tax? Don't smoke pot.

    These are easy taxes to opt out of.
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  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    clearly polls should not be believed unless they are polls in your favor
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