I think vices should always be taxed. Tax the smokers, tax the drinkers (is that me in the mirror?), tax the gamblers (shit, there I am again!), and tax the stoners.
I agree with what was said earlier about the potential for tax revenue shouldn't be the determining factor in its legalization - for me, it's secondary. But, I do think it could be a great monetary contribution - provided it's not frittered away as with much of our other taxes.
As to taxing vices, where does it end? Will we then deem things like coffee and sweets vices as well? Who even decides what a vice is?
Flat-tax it all!
I don't think of taxing as a reason why it should be legal. I see no reason at all why it should be illegal, taxed or untaxed.
I'm not sure where the line between what is vice and what is not lies but I know there is one. And if they ever come after my coffee I will join a militia and begin stockpiling guns.
I think vices should always be taxed. Tax the smokers, tax the drinkers (is that me in the mirror?), tax the gamblers (shit, there I am again!), and tax the stoners.
there are peole who consider sex a vice... how you gonna tax that?
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I think vices should always be taxed. Tax the smokers, tax the drinkers (is that me in the mirror?), tax the gamblers (shit, there I am again!), and tax the stoners.
there are peole who consider sex a vice... how you gonna tax that?
allow it to be sold?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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I think vices should always be taxed. Tax the smokers, tax the drinkers (is that me in the mirror?), tax the gamblers (shit, there I am again!), and tax the stoners.
there are peole who consider sex a vice... how you gonna tax that?
allow it to be sold?
oh its already being sold... one way or another.
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I think vices should always be taxed. Tax the smokers, tax the drinkers (is that me in the mirror?), tax the gamblers (shit, there I am again!), and tax the stoners.
there are peole who consider sex a vice... how you gonna tax that?
allow it to be sold?
Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.
Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.
I am sure it comes as a shock to you, but I would like to see it legalized throughout the country. I think it would be safer and the ones selling themselves would see more of the profits if the businesses were legal and they were allowed to work as contractors.
Lots of tax help in the form of payroll taxes that's for sure.
But that is neither here nor there, if weed has trouble getting national legalization, prostitution has no chance.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
there are peole who consider sex a vice... how you gonna tax that?
allow it to be sold?
Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.
btw i said sex is a vice, not prostitution. so i ask again, how would you tax that? base it on orgasms attained? cause that might be problematic and put guys in a higher tax bracket that the girls.
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Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.
btw i said sex is a vice, not prostitution. so i ask again, how would you tax that? base it on orgasms attained? cause that might be problematic and put guys in a higher tax bracket that the girls.
I don't think that consensual sex between two adults can correctly be labeled as a vice, even though some disagree. I think the only way it can correctly be considered a vice is in the case of prostitution.
btw i said sex is a vice, not prostitution. so i ask again, how would you tax that? base it on orgasms attained? cause that might be problematic and put guys in a higher tax bracket that the girls.
Do you really think sex itself is a vice? It's natural, a basic need.
(anyway, we should tax it on orgasms given too, not just attained. It'd get rid of - or at least reduce - that fakery shit)
I'm down with prostitution itself being legalized and, like any other business, taxed.
Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.
I am sure it comes as a shock to you, but I would like to see it legalized throughout the country. I think it would be safer and the ones selling themselves would see more of the profits if the businesses were legal and they were allowed to work as contractors.
Lots of tax help in the form of payroll taxes that's for sure.
But that is neither here nor there, if weed has trouble getting national legalization, prostitution has no chance.
Truth be told I don't disagree. You are correct that it will never happen, but much like legalizing marijuana would cripple the Mexican cartels, legalizing prostitution would eliminate the street corner pimps and reduce the number of girls who are forced into it against their will.
Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.
btw i said sex is a vice, not prostitution. so i ask again, how would you tax that? base it on orgasms attained? cause that might be problematic and put guys in a higher tax bracket that the girls.
I don't think that consensual sex between two adults can correctly be labeled as a vice, even though some disagree. I think the only way it can correctly be considered a vice is in the case of prostitution.
you might wanna look up the definition.
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btw i said sex is a vice, not prostitution. so i ask again, how would you tax that? base it on orgasms attained? cause that might be problematic and put guys in a higher tax bracket that the girls.
Do you really think sex itself is a vice? It's natural, a basic need.
(anyway, we should tax it on orgasms given too, not just attained. It'd get rid of - or at least reduce - that fakery shit)
I'm down with prostitution itself being legalized and, like any other business, taxed.
i originally said some people consider it a vice. me? im really not sure we should get started on what i think is acceptable sexwise.. kats watching. do i personally think sex is a vice? no... but sometimes it sure feels lke it.
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Here are Webster's definitions of "vice". Pick one and run with the sex thing. This should be interesting
1
a : moral depravity or corruption : wickedness
b : a moral fault or failing
c : a habitual and usually trivial defect or shortcoming : foible <suffered from the vice of curiosity>
2
: blemish, defect
3
: a physical imperfection, deformity, or taint
4
a often capitalized : a character representing one of the vices in an English morality play
b : buffoon, jester
5
: an abnormal behavior pattern in a domestic animal detrimental to its health or usefulness
6
: sexual immorality; especially : prostitution
See vice defined for English-language learners »
See vice defined for kids »
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
NEW YORK -- Marijuana prohibition now costs state and federal government as much as $20 billion a year, an economist told The Huffington Post -- and legalization efforts are only just beginning to chip away at that.
That number comes from Jeffrey Miron, a senior lecturer at Harvard University who in 2010 studied the likely impacts of drug legalization, finding that about $8.7 billion would be saved on law enforcement and another $8.7 billion would be generated from taxes on marijuana. Accounting for inflation, that would add up to about $20 billion now, he said.
The number is modest in terms of the overall government budget -- but far too high a price to pay for a drug that does little to harm non-users, he argued.
As Miron acknowledges, his number is sort of a thought experiment, a suggestion of what would happen if marijuana was legalized on every level of government. Despite a recent Pew Research poll finding that 52 percent of Americans support marijuana legalization, politicians seem to only just now bewarming up to that proposition.
In Colorado and Washington, voters led the way in November referendums. But the rules and regulation around marijuana, which will be treated similarly to alcohol and tobacco under the states' laws, are only beginning to be hammered out.
During the runup to Washington's referendum, the state branch of the American Civil Liberties Union estimated that local governments spent $211 million on enforcing marijuana laws between 2000 and 2010.
Alison Holcomb, the state ACLU's drug policy director, told HuffPost that local governments are already reaping the rewards of legalization.
"Just within a week after the vote, county prosecutors across the state started dismissing misdemeanor marijuana possession cases that were pending at the time, and there were over 220 cases that were dismissed," she said. "So that was a very tangible example of the criminal justice costs that we were already saving, even before the actual initiative went into effect."
Although the potential marijuana tax revenues were a major selling point for voters in Colorado and Washington, neither state has yet decided how it will tax the green stuff. The states' decisions are being complicated by the Obama administration, which has yet to announce how it will respond to legalization.
If the feds take a hard line, said Miron, expect state tax collections to be insignificant. "I think a lot of their industries are going to stay sort of in the shadows. There's going to be very little tax revenue collected," he said.
Whatever happens to state treasuries, the human costs of marijuana laws are clear: around 750,000 people were arrested for marijuana-related crimes in 2011. That's one arrest every 42 seconds.
The adult recreational market for marijuana will be worth $605.7 million. This doesn't even include the market for edibles — pot brownies, for example — that comprise a significant aspect of the market.
The report estimated that 554,710 Coloradans — around 10% of the state's population — will use marijuana in 2014. This is a conservative estimate.
Factoring in the Medical market, the Colorado market for marijuana will be 642,772 people — 12.4% of the state population.
With a per-person usage rate of 3.53 ounces per year, the post-legalization estimate of demand for marijuana is 2.4 million ounces — roughly 75 tons — in 2014.
This doesn't even factor in marijuana tourism.
The 15% excise tax will yield an estimate $21.7 million in revenues for Colorado in 2014.
A 15% sales tax will yield $90.9 million in 2014
The 2.9% state sales tax will yield $17.6 million.
http://youtu.be/swojBQoCEhM the most important vegetable on the planet - William L. Courtney MD dietary raw cannabis specialist
what a great plant & at under 12 minutes in length this informative video is a must see
iowa has a long ways to catching up with the west coast & other regions where one can get help from a vegetable that is a super-power
it is throughly amazing users of this plant are harassed, arrested, fined & jailed or worse, thrown in prison. we the people need demand this injustice stop immediately
in 1996 this man was sentenced to life without parole in a missouri prison for possession of 7 pounds of marijuana. there are 25 prisoners serving life sentences in the us on marijuana charges. something is throughly nuts here
who is helping these ppl get released? start a ice bucket type challenge, yes/no?
That's freaking crazy. It's utterly ridiculous that anyone is in jail for pot. How about we stand on fertile soil, dump a bucket on cannabis seeds over head followed by buckets of room temp water?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
need a John Lennon type personality ... didn't he write 10 for 2 for John Sinclair and performed at a concert in his honour and John Sinclair was released days later ... it's late and I'm to lazy to search and am going by memory, if true talk about star power ... by the way RIP in peace Mr.John Lennon.
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I don't think of taxing as a reason why it should be legal. I see no reason at all why it should be illegal, taxed or untaxed.
I'm not sure where the line between what is vice and what is not lies but I know there is one. And if they ever come after my coffee I will join a militia and begin stockpiling guns.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
there are peole who consider sex a vice... how you gonna tax that?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
allow it to be sold?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
oh its already being sold... one way or another.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Exactly. I am not advocating that prostitution be legalized but if it ever were it could easily be taxed.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I am sure it comes as a shock to you, but I would like to see it legalized throughout the country. I think it would be safer and the ones selling themselves would see more of the profits if the businesses were legal and they were allowed to work as contractors.
Lots of tax help in the form of payroll taxes that's for sure.
But that is neither here nor there, if weed has trouble getting national legalization, prostitution has no chance.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
btw i said sex is a vice, not prostitution. so i ask again, how would you tax that? base it on orgasms attained? cause that might be problematic and put guys in a higher tax bracket that the girls.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I don't think that consensual sex between two adults can correctly be labeled as a vice, even though some disagree. I think the only way it can correctly be considered a vice is in the case of prostitution.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
(anyway, we should tax it on orgasms given too, not just attained. It'd get rid of - or at least reduce - that fakery shit)
I'm down with prostitution itself being legalized and, like any other business, taxed.
Truth be told I don't disagree. You are correct that it will never happen, but much like legalizing marijuana would cripple the Mexican cartels, legalizing prostitution would eliminate the street corner pimps and reduce the number of girls who are forced into it against their will.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
you might wanna look up the definition.
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there have been people on these forums that have said stuff like that, so it's hard to tell!
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
i originally said some people consider it a vice. me? im really not sure we should get started on what i think is acceptable sexwise.. kats watching.
take a good look
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1
a : moral depravity or corruption : wickedness
b : a moral fault or failing
c : a habitual and usually trivial defect or shortcoming : foible <suffered from the vice of curiosity>
2
: blemish, defect
3
: a physical imperfection, deformity, or taint
4
a often capitalized : a character representing one of the vices in an English morality play
b : buffoon, jester
5
: an abnormal behavior pattern in a domestic animal detrimental to its health or usefulness
6
: sexual immorality; especially : prostitution
See vice defined for English-language learners »
See vice defined for kids »
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/2 ... r=New+York
NEW YORK -- Marijuana prohibition now costs state and federal government as much as $20 billion a year, an economist told The Huffington Post -- and legalization efforts are only just beginning to chip away at that.
That number comes from Jeffrey Miron, a senior lecturer at Harvard University who in 2010 studied the likely impacts of drug legalization, finding that about $8.7 billion would be saved on law enforcement and another $8.7 billion would be generated from taxes on marijuana. Accounting for inflation, that would add up to about $20 billion now, he said.
The number is modest in terms of the overall government budget -- but far too high a price to pay for a drug that does little to harm non-users, he argued.
As Miron acknowledges, his number is sort of a thought experiment, a suggestion of what would happen if marijuana was legalized on every level of government. Despite a recent Pew Research poll finding that 52 percent of Americans support marijuana legalization, politicians seem to only just now bewarming up to that proposition.
In Colorado and Washington, voters led the way in November referendums. But the rules and regulation around marijuana, which will be treated similarly to alcohol and tobacco under the states' laws, are only beginning to be hammered out.
During the runup to Washington's referendum, the state branch of the American Civil Liberties Union estimated that local governments spent $211 million on enforcing marijuana laws between 2000 and 2010.
Alison Holcomb, the state ACLU's drug policy director, told HuffPost that local governments are already reaping the rewards of legalization.
"Just within a week after the vote, county prosecutors across the state started dismissing misdemeanor marijuana possession cases that were pending at the time, and there were over 220 cases that were dismissed," she said. "So that was a very tangible example of the criminal justice costs that we were already saving, even before the actual initiative went into effect."
Although the potential marijuana tax revenues were a major selling point for voters in Colorado and Washington, neither state has yet decided how it will tax the green stuff. The states' decisions are being complicated by the Obama administration, which has yet to announce how it will respond to legalization.
If the feds take a hard line, said Miron, expect state tax collections to be insignificant. "I think a lot of their industries are going to stay sort of in the shadows. There's going to be very little tax revenue collected," he said.
Whatever happens to state treasuries, the human costs of marijuana laws are clear: around 750,000 people were arrested for marijuana-related crimes in 2011. That's one arrest every 42 seconds.
The adult recreational market for marijuana will be worth $605.7 million. This doesn't even include the market for edibles — pot brownies, for example — that comprise a significant aspect of the market.
The report estimated that 554,710 Coloradans — around 10% of the state's population — will use marijuana in 2014. This is a conservative estimate.
Factoring in the Medical market, the Colorado market for marijuana will be 642,772 people — 12.4% of the state population.
With a per-person usage rate of 3.53 ounces per year, the post-legalization estimate of demand for marijuana is 2.4 million ounces — roughly 75 tons — in 2014.
This doesn't even factor in marijuana tourism.
The 15% excise tax will yield an estimate $21.7 million in revenues for Colorado in 2014.
A 15% sales tax will yield $90.9 million in 2014
The 2.9% state sales tax will yield $17.6 million.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/were-sta ... z2UoPMbZcB
The irony!
Let them BE, for the love of Pete.
I'd bet CO is like CA - we neither need nor can afford more businesses going down.
(as an aside, I'd venture our in-home per-person consumption is way over that stated in the article :P )
It makes people mellow. Like as in yellow.
:geek:
Did you see that guy?
I've got to pit.
No, we're busy now. We're eating ice cream.
Ice cream!
Anyway, on this lovely and warm evening, I raise a bowl to the starter of this thread, Miss Jeanwah
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
the most important vegetable on the planet - William L. Courtney MD dietary raw cannabis specialist
what a great plant & at under 12 minutes in length this informative video is a must see
iowa has a long ways to catching up with the west coast & other regions where one can get help from a vegetable that is a super-power
it is throughly amazing users of this plant are harassed, arrested, fined & jailed or worse, thrown in prison. we the people need demand this injustice stop immediately
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in 1996 this man was sentenced to life without parole in a missouri prison for possession of 7 pounds of marijuana. there are 25 prisoners serving life sentences in the us on marijuana charges. something is throughly nuts here
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon