westboro baptists picketing funeral in newtown, connecticut

oceaninmyeyes · January 2013

Got this on facebook a couple of days ago. I love it!

8-)

JimmyV · January 2013

The circles of hell are being renumbered to properly accommodate these people when they arrive.

MotoDC · January 2013

mickeyrat wrote:

WBC + someone with the balls and an assault rifle with high capicity clips =

= the most ironic post ever from someone on your side of the firearm debate?

polaris_x · January 2013

brianlux wrote:

Currently, Nate serves as the Executive Director of the Centre for Inquiry Canada, a secular organization that educates and advocates for reason and science. He also serves on the board of directors for Recovering from Religion, an organization which offers education and practical support for people moving away from religion.

that can't go over well ...

polaris_x · February 2013

two more defect ... this "church" is pretty much done ...

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/ ... flees.html

mikepegg44 · February 2013

Moonpig wrote:

As bad as they are, how are they any different than the NRA. But look more maximum ways to further their agendas after a tragedy, single minded and uncompromising. Both bitch and complain about their rights and take full advantage of their ability to exploit these amendments respectfully.

Both rely on the stupidity and ignorance of others to propel their messages of hate and division.

Only difference is one is marganalised in society and the other revered. Two sides of the same coin, both would be laughed out of most other free developed nations.

First off, there isn't one politician who lets a good tragedy go to waste to push their agenda. Why did it take the Newtown killings to make a massive push for new gun control laws? because the democrats saw their opening. Nothing more, nothing less...Aparently it was only important enough to pay lip service to before that.

and can you explain how the NRA has a message of hate and division?

The Westboro baptist church is laughed out of most places in the US. They are allowed to operate because of religious freedom and the freedom of speech we enjoy here. Do you think they have a large following? Are you telling me there are no groups like this in other free developed nations?

polaris_x · February 2013

mikepegg44 wrote:

First off, there isn't one politician who lets a good tragedy go to waste to push their agenda. Why did it take the Newtown killings to make a massive push for new gun control laws? because the democrats saw their opening. Nothing more, nothing less...Aparently it was only important enough to pay lip service to before that.

and can you explain how the NRA has a message of hate and division?

The Westboro baptist church is laughed out of most places in the US. They are allowed to operate because of religious freedom and the freedom of speech we enjoy here. Do you think they have a large following? Are you telling me there are no groups like this in other free developed nations?

i'm not sure i would put the nra in the same league as this church but they are a pretty whacked organization ... holding a massive conference in colorado right after columbine ... and then recently after sandy hook - coming out and blaming video games when they themselves have released a video game? ...

come on ... these fuckers use their influence to push stand your ground laws all over the place that basically allow people to murder other people ...

fife · February 2013

mikepegg44 wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

As bad as they are, how are they any different than the NRA. But look more maximum ways to further their agendas after a tragedy, single minded and uncompromising. Both bitch and complain about their rights and take full advantage of their ability to exploit these amendments respectfully.

Both rely on the stupidity and ignorance of others to propel their messages of hate and division.

Only difference is one is marganalised in society and the other revered. Two sides of the same coin, both would be laughed out of most other free developed nations.

First off, there isn't one politician who lets a good tragedy go to waste to push their agenda. Why did it take the Newtown killings to make a massive push for new gun control laws? because the democrats saw their opening. Nothing more, nothing less...Aparently it was only important enough to pay lip service to before that.

and can you explain how the NRA has a message of hate and division?

The Westboro baptist church is laughed out of most places in the US. They are allowed to operate because of religious freedom and the freedom of speech we enjoy here. Do you think they have a large following? Are you telling me there are no groups like this in other free developed nations?

I agree with you Mike. I sometimes think emotions get the best of us when talking about stories like this as it really disgusted most if not all people.

however, I will give you an example of how the NRA has a message of division and that was the commercial about Obama children.

mikepegg44 · February 2013

polaris_x wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

First off, there isn't one politician who lets a good tragedy go to waste to push their agenda. Why did it take the Newtown killings to make a massive push for new gun control laws? because the democrats saw their opening. Nothing more, nothing less...Aparently it was only important enough to pay lip service to before that.

and can you explain how the NRA has a message of hate and division?

The Westboro baptist church is laughed out of most places in the US. They are allowed to operate because of religious freedom and the freedom of speech we enjoy here. Do you think they have a large following? Are you telling me there are no groups like this in other free developed nations?

i'm not sure i would put the nra in the same league as this church but they are a pretty whacked organization ... holding a massive conference in colorado right after columbine ... and then recently after sandy hook - coming out and blaming video games when they themselves have released a video game? ...

come on ... these fuckers use their influence to push stand your ground laws all over the place that basically allow people to murder other people ...

I am not defending the lobbying influence of the NRA, I think they can be ridiculous.

in their defense however, the massive conference you speak of was actually the annual meetings and was scheduled long before the shootings if I am not mistaken. as a side note, the infamous cold dead hands speech was given in Charlotte not Littleton, where most people attribute it to because of Michael Moore. I am not a member of the NRA, but their tactics are no worse than any other lobbying group IMO...

The westboro baptist church is built on hate and a belief in God's divine wrath striking children down because the US tolerates LGBT folks and pre-marital relations...it is a ridiculous comparison.

mikepegg44 · February 2013

fife wrote:

I agree with you Mike. I sometimes think emotions get the best of us when talking about stories like this as it really disgusted most if not all people.

however, I will give you an example of how the NRA has a message of division and that was the commercial about Obama children.

I hadn't seen that ad until you brought it up, playing devil's advocate here, do they not have any point in the ad?

IMO, the plan isn't feasible in anyway and not a very good way to present it, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a message of division, at least any more dividing than most political commercials.

polaris_x · February 2013

mikepegg44 wrote:

I am not defending the lobbying influence of the NRA, I think they can be ridiculous.

in their defense however, the massive conference you speak of was actually the annual meetings and was scheduled long before the shootings if I am not mistaken. as a side note, the infamous cold dead hands speech was given in Charlotte not Littleton, where most people attribute it to because of Michael Moore. I am not a member of the NRA, but their tactics are no worse than any other lobbying group IMO...

The westboro baptist church is built on hate and a belief in God's divine wrath striking children down because the US tolerates LGBT folks and pre-marital relations...it is a ridiculous comparison.

well ... they canceled the NY city marathon after Sandy ... sometimes compassion and prudence take precedence ...

in any case - this isn't about whether the church and nra are the same ... only simply that they both practice division and hate ... it's similar to when people compare anything to hitler or the nazis ... the immediate response is always dismissal and ridicule ...

most groups that push extremist agenda use division by fear tactics ... the nra is no different ...

fife · February 2013

mikepegg44 wrote:

fife wrote:

I agree with you Mike. I sometimes think emotions get the best of us when talking about stories like this as it really disgusted most if not all people.

however, I will give you an example of how the NRA has a message of division and that was the commercial about Obama children.

I hadn't seen that ad until you brought it up, playing devil's advocate here, do they not have any point in the ad?

IMO, the plan isn't feasible in anyway and not a very good way to present it, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a message of division, at least any more dividing than most political commercials.

that's strange I have seen that ad many times and I live in Canada. but to answer your question they do have some point but the way it was portrayed was not correct.

here is the commercial and you tell me if this is not created a division.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bKw7ZsQgtc

mikepegg44 · February 2013

fife wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

fife wrote:

I agree with you Mike. I sometimes think emotions get the best of us when talking about stories like this as it really disgusted most if not all people.

however, I will give you an example of how the NRA has a message of division and that was the commercial about Obama children.

I hadn't seen that ad until you brought it up, playing devil's advocate here, do they not have any point in the ad?

IMO, the plan isn't feasible in anyway and not a very good way to present it, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a message of division, at least any more dividing than most political commercials.

that's strange I have seen that ad many times and I live in Canada. but to answer your question they do have some point but the way it was portrayed was not correct.

here is the commercial and you tell me if this is not created a division.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bKw7ZsQgtc

I watched it before I posted. I don't think it creates any more division than any other political ad.

I agree, they have a point but it is not at all a good way to have a discussion. Although it makes me sad, I really think this way is the only way to be heard in the discussion unfortunately...I still don't know why we think every crazy thing that happens is preventable in some way. But that is a different discussion

NRA is a strong lobby, I don't like strong lobbies, but I am glad we agree that they are NOT the WBC. That is letting the WBC off the hook of what they really are

rearviewross · February 2013

curlygirly9 wrote:

They are unbelievably disgusting. I saw this the other day and it made me so happy
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/times-we ... ist-church

Awesome, thanks for sharing that link. I love the signs that other people made to make them look stupid. I know a lot of people would disagree with this but I think people need to go at them like the old school union busters. Put on some masks and beat them into the hospital. After a couple times they will go away.

Police - What did you see?
Everyone - Nothing, don't know what you're talking about.

fife · February 2013

rearviewross wrote:

curlygirly9 wrote:

They are unbelievably disgusting. I saw this the other day and it made me so happy
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/times-we ... ist-church

Awesome, thanks for sharing that link. I love the signs that other people made to make them look stupid. I know a lot of people would disagree with this but I think people need to go at them like the old school union busters. Put on some masks and beat them into the hospital. After a couple times they will go away.

Police - What did you see?
Everyone - Nothing, don't know what you're talking about.

I don't know if beating up people that you don't agree with is the best path.

rearviewross · February 2013

fife wrote:

rearviewross wrote:

curlygirly9 wrote:

They are unbelievably disgusting. I saw this the other day and it made me so happy
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/times-we ... ist-church

Awesome, thanks for sharing that link. I love the signs that other people made to make them look stupid. I know a lot of people would disagree with this but I think people need to go at them like the old school union busters. Put on some masks and beat them into the hospital. After a couple times they will go away.

Police - What did you see?
Everyone - Nothing, don't know what you're talking about.

I don't know if beating up people that you don't agree with is the best path.

Generally, no, but for them I would make an exception. It goes way beyond disagreeing.

hedonist · February 2013

rearviewross wrote:

Generally, no, but for them I would make an exception. It goes way beyond disagreeing.

Gotta say, there are some I'd not feel bad about seeing the shit pounded out of them - and this group is among them. Hateful people who seem to take pleasure in bringing more pain to the already-suffering.

Nice to see some defecting from that ugliness.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · February 2013

fife wrote:

that's strange I have seen that ad many times and I live in Canada. but to answer your question they do have some point but the way it was portrayed was not correct.

here is the commercial and you tell me if this is not created a division.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bKw7ZsQgtc

This ad is moronic- the kind of ad you might see mocked on a Family Guy episode for its sheer idiocy.

Obama's kids need more protection than everyone else's kids. This has been said already numerous times, but to deny it is ridiculous. Look how many reasonable people on here absolutely seethe when they read the man's name. Now factor in the lunatics out there that sit on the same side of the fence. He would be a fool to not insist on protecting the most important items in his life. And, one would be a fool to ignore his need to.

What was the point about Obama wanting to tax the wealthy elite? How is this linked in any way to the point of the message? It was just tossed in there like a burp in mid-speech.

chadwick · February 2013

hedonist wrote:

rearviewross wrote:

Generally, no, but for them I would make an exception. It goes way beyond disagreeing.

Gotta say, there are some I'd not feel bad about seeing the shit pounded out of them - and this group is among them. Hateful people who seem to take pleasure in bringing more pain to the already-suffering.

Nice to see some defecting from that ugliness.

violence to those whom deserve it is a fantastic act & a must.

Random_Wookie · February 2013

I am surprised that these guys still exist as the things they do are shit (for lack of a better word). Good on those guys who have gotten out, if they are ever in my neck of the woods they can always crash on my couch.

westboro baptists picketing funeral in newtown, connecticut

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