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  • deserteddotse
    deserteddotse Posts: 1,276
    DS1119 wrote:
    Yes and no actually. As far as the geography of birth question...everyone will be given fair trial in the country. Almost too fair actually.

    You seem to have forgotten about Guantanamo...
    Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the Universe...
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    deserteddotse wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Yes and no actually. As far as the geography of birth question...everyone will be given fair trial in the country. Almost too fair actually.

    You seem to have forgotten about Guantanamo...



    No I haven't actually.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Just another reason to support capital punishment. Frickin' shame. beats his grandmother to death and then is let out only to do this. :( :x


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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    DS1119 wrote:
    Just another reason to support capital punishment. Frickin' shame. beats his grandmother to death and then is let out only to do this. :( :x


    http://news.msn.com/us/2-firefighters-d ... g-ny-house

    so let's take away someone's basic right to LIFE, but dear god don't take away my fucking GUN! :?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Just another reason to support capital punishment. Frickin' shame. beats his grandmother to death and then is let out only to do this. :( :x


    http://news.msn.com/us/2-firefighters-d ... g-ny-house

    so let's take away someone's basic right to LIFE, but dear god don't take away my fucking GUN! :?
    I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.

    This POS took another's life - someone of his own blood, WITH A HAMMER, and she was 92. To me, in doing so, he lost his claim to any rights to life.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    DS1119 wrote:
    Just another reason to support capital punishment. Frickin' shame. beats his grandmother to death and then is let out only to do this. :( :x


    http://news.msn.com/us/2-firefighters-d ... g-ny-house

    It was an institutional failure, in that the authorities should have been aware of his tendency to commit another act of violence. That's all.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Byrnzie wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Just another reason to support capital punishment. Frickin' shame. beats his grandmother to death and then is let out only to do this. :( :x


    http://news.msn.com/us/2-firefighters-d ... g-ny-house

    It was an institutional failure, in that the authorities should have been aware of his tendency to commit another act of violence. That's all.


    Where the failure was is that his life wasn't taken. As soon as he decided to play judge and jury for someone else's life he forfeited all rights to his own. He didn't kill someone in a drug deal gone bad. He didn't kill an estranged lover. He killed his 92 year old grandmother with a hammer. There is no reform for that. He's was/is damaged goods. Make him pay the ultimate penalty and the government should move on.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    DS1119 wrote:
    As soon as he decided to play judge and jury for someone else's life he forfeited all rights to his own.

    And yet you feel that you can play judge and jury with his life?

    No contradiction there then.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Byrnzie wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    As soon as he decided to play judge and jury for someone else's life he forfeited all rights to his own.

    And yet you feel that you can play judge and jury with his life?

    No contradiction there then.


    Absolutely. You commit a crime against humanity as the one he committed to his grandmother...you get the same treatment. Generations before us had it right centuries ago when these type of people were just disposed off. Not this PC crap of trying to reform people. Just simply some people can not be reformed. They are quite simple burdens and dangers on society who should just be eliminated. Save the money and effort. Cut the losses.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    DS1119 wrote:
    Absolutely. You commit a crime against humanity as the one he committed to his grandmother...you get the same treatment. Generations before us had it right centuries ago when these type of people were just disposed off. Not this PC crap of trying to reform people. Just simply some people can not be reformed. They are quite simple burdens and dangers on society who should just be eliminated. Save the money and effort. Cut the losses.

    It costs more money to execute people than to keep them locked up.

    Next.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Byrnzie wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Absolutely. You commit a crime against humanity as the one he committed to his grandmother...you get the same treatment. Generations before us had it right centuries ago when these type of people were just disposed off. Not this PC crap of trying to reform people. Just simply some people can not be reformed. They are quite simple burdens and dangers on society who should just be eliminated. Save the money and effort. Cut the losses.

    It costs more money to execute people than to keep them locked up.

    Next.

    That's why we should change the 'process of execution' so that it doesn't. If we wanted... we could be really cost effective with regards to how we put down shitbaggers that need death for what they have done.

    I'm curious, Byrnzie: I know where you stand with regards to the death penalty, but where do you stand with regards to offering the opportunity for parole? Does everyone, regardless of their crime, deserve an opportunity for parole at some point in time during their sentence?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    Byrnzie wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Absolutely. You commit a crime against humanity as the one he committed to his grandmother...you get the same treatment. Generations before us had it right centuries ago when these type of people were just disposed off. Not this PC crap of trying to reform people. Just simply some people can not be reformed. They are quite simple burdens and dangers on society who should just be eliminated. Save the money and effort. Cut the losses.

    It costs more money to execute people than to keep them locked up.

    Next.
    i would like to see our worst offenders, placed in the worlds worst prisons...not the US worst prisons.

    we could pay 100 bucks a month for the trash thing...rather than 1000 bucks a month here.

    i believe our trash things are not deterred by our justice system....takes too long.

    carandiru prison, awaits.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    shitbaggers that need death


    Interesting choice of words.

    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    I'm curious, Byrnzie [...] Does everyone, regardless of their crime, deserve an opportunity for parole at some point in time during their sentence?

    No. Not if they're likely to re-offend. And it's up to the authorities to assess the risks.

    Like I said above, regarding the guy who shot the fireman, the authorities failed.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    I'm curious, Byrnzie [...] Does everyone, regardless of their crime, deserve an opportunity for parole at some point in time during their sentence?

    No. Not if they're likely to re-offend. And it's up to the authorities to assess the risks.

    Like I said above, regarding the guy who shot the fireman, the authorities failed    .



    You place a lot of stock in the 'authorities' then. Given the propensity of offenders to re-offend... they fail often and sometimes in dramatic fashion:

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/29 ... t-wouldnt/

    Imagine a person who has committed an unspeakable crime (say, for example, the rape and murder of a child). Now imagine they have undergone an incredible transformation of character- for the better. Would you support a system that allows for this described person to be tendered a level of understanding and afforded parole?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    so I guess the crucifixion of your lord and saviour jesus h christ was just and allowable by law.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    I'm curious, Byrnzie [...] Does everyone, regardless of their crime, deserve an opportunity for parole at some point in time during their sentence?

    No. Not if they're likely to re-offend. And it's up to the authorities to assess the risks.

    Like I said above, regarding the guy who shot the fireman, the authorities failed    .



    You place a lot of stock in the 'authorities' then. Given the propensity of offenders to re-offend... they fail often and sometimes in dramatic fashion:

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/29 ... t-wouldnt/

    Imagine a person who has committed an unspeakable crime (say, for example, the rape and murder of a child). Now imagine they have undergone an incredible transformation of character- for the better. Would you support a system that allows for this described person to be tendered a level of understanding and afforded parole?

    that's why the system isn't set up for only rehabilitation, but the punishment also has to fit the crime. rape and murder of a child? if it was premeditated and not related to mental illness? life in prison. no parole.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    I'm curious, Byrnzie [...] Does everyone, regardless of their crime, deserve an opportunity for parole at some point in time during their sentence?

    No. Not if they're likely to re-offend. And it's up to the authorities to assess the risks.

    Like I said above, regarding the guy who shot the fireman, the authorities failed    .



    You place a lot of stock in the 'authorities' then. Given the propensity of offenders to re-offend... they fail often and sometimes in dramatic fashion:

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/29 ... t-wouldnt/

    Imagine a person who has committed an unspeakable crime (say, for example, the rape and murder of a child). Now imagine they have undergone an incredible transformation of character- for the better. Would you support a system that allows for this described person to be tendered a level of understanding and afforded parole?

    that's why the system isn't set up for only rehabilitation, but the punishment also has to fit the crime. rape and murder of a child? if it was premeditated and not related to mental illness? life in prison. no parole.

    Could one argue that this is 'death by time and confinement'? And if so... is it reasonable to suggest that you and I feel the same regarding the fate of such people: only we differ with regards to how we wish for the 'offender' to meet their end?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    ALL babies are innocent!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

    Could one argue that this is 'death by time and confinement'? And if so... is it reasonable to suggest that you and I feel the same regarding the fate of such people: only we differ with regards to how we wish for the 'offender' to meet their end?

    death by time and confinement? that's quite a stretch. I wish for the natural end to someone's life. not the government's end. if they die under the watch of the government while protecting the public, then so be it.
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  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Imagine if all that care and concern for the innocent went into pursuing a good abortion policy! Such as 13 weeks is the time line.....you got 13 weeks of pro choice, BUT after that its MURDER1! I would be for that policy! That would save millions of babies, plus continue to give the mother her choice. Ill take it!

    As far as death penalty....all you population control buffs should be for death and abortion!

    I support the death penalty because if it were taken away completely.....criminals would take it to another level in all forms!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!

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