America has lost its mind

Hugh Freaking Dillon
Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
edited December 2012 in A Moving Train
Guns or no guns. This culture is FUCKED. :cry:

4 firefighters shot at scene of blaze near Rochester in western NY; 2 dead, police say
By: The Associated Press

Posted: 9:08 AM | Comments: 1 | Last Modified: 9:39 AM
Print E–mail WEBSTER, N.Y. - The police chief in Webster, N.Y., says that four firefighters were shot while responding to a blaze in the town near Rochester and that two are dead.

Chief Gerald Pickering says "one or more shooters" fired at the firefighters Monday morning. Officials say they had arrived at the scene of the blaze near the Lake Ontario shore around 6 a.m.

Officials say a fire started in one home and spread to two others and a car. Officials say there is no active shooter at the scene.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    I posted this in the 'other thread':

    Now you got firefighters responding to a scene getting shot and killed.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... e#comments

    Armed firefighters? Armed neighbours come out of their houses with their assault rifles and provide cover for the firefighters to put the fire out? Then... everybody scurry back into their homes?

    Geez, man. To argue against gun control has got to be one of the most asinine positions a person could take- it's almost 'cult like'... to be so obtuse to the reality of the now.

    Take some responsibility: get the fuking guns off the streets. You won't get them all right away- I'll concede that; but by eliminating ammunition sales... you can curb much of the anticipated (slightly paranoid) problems in the short term.

    In 20 years though... when the well has dried up... your kids will be able to send their kids to school with much less fear in everyone's hearts and firefighters can respond to a scene and not get shot doing so.
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  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,397
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Geez, man. To argue against gun control has got to be one of the most asinine positions a person could take- it's almost 'cult like'... to be so obtuse to the reality of the now.
    So true. I don't get why others can't see this.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,838
    Here's another link.\:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/2 ... 58822.html

    This is just beyond imagining. There are a handful of fire fighters in my extended family and I have tremendous respect the work they do. That someone would shot at them while responding to a fire is both horrible and truly insane.
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  • Zoso
    Zoso Posts: 6,425
    Abe Froman wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Geez, man. To argue against gun control has got to be one of the most asinine positions a person could take- it's almost 'cult like'... to be so obtuse to the reality of the now.
    So true. I don't get why others can't see this.

    this absolutelty. it's scary that people are SO pro gun or pro assault weapon after the recent tragedy
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  • vomikus39
    vomikus39 Posts: 250
    I'm a NYC firefighter and never thought of having to dodge bullets as I made my way into a burning building, even in the worse of neighborhoods. Although, a pitbull once made a B-line for me, but thankfully he was very friendly.

    Anyway, obviously sad beyond words. Seems there is nothing off limits to some people anymore.

    IMO, bad people will do bad things, regardless of laws, restrictions and regulations. I don't think we will ever find plausible answers and solutions to these type of actions. Honestly, if I wanted to drive my car into a crowd of people, how can I be stopped? Not that I want to. There are millions of ways to do bad things, and millions of more bad things will be done. I'm using the word "bad" subjectively. There are better words to describe such horrible actions.

    There are measures our government can take, I think, but regardless, these cowardly acts will always be part of society. Just hope for the best.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    vomikus39 wrote:
    There are measures our government can take, I think, but regardless, these cowardly acts will always be part of society. Just hope for the best.
    Agreed - and hoping for the best is what I've been doing. Sounds simple (maybe even ineffectual?), but it's a start and where my mind is today.

    Hope you keep safe this holiday season and beyond.
  • vomikus39
    vomikus39 Posts: 250
    hedonist wrote:
    vomikus39 wrote:
    There are measures our government can take, I think, but regardless, these cowardly acts will always be part of society. Just hope for the best.
    Agreed - and hoping for the best is what I've been doing. Sounds simple (maybe even ineffectual?), but it's a start and where my mind is today.

    Hope you keep safe this holiday season and beyond.

    Agreed. Hoping and praying are ineffectual, at least they are to me. Depends on your beliefs and faith, or lack thereof.

    With that said, here's HOPING you and everyone else on here has a safe and happy holiday season and an even better 2013!!!
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Maybe the NRA will now call for armed guards to stand on every single street corner in America. Maybe soon they'll also call for armed guards to be posted alongside at basketball courts and football fields alongside the cheerleaders, and will call for them to be placed on the space station, just in case any rogue astronaut makes trouble.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,072
    you can't even be a first responder anymore without becoming a target.

    nope, no gun problem here..
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Post 1-5 typical AMT

    Then, three posts of reason.







    Then more poops


    America has not lost its mind. Open the door and walk outside. Don't judge America by the lowest common denominator. Remember that everyone's vote counts the same, but not everyone does the same.

    Woot
  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    oh man, terrible tragedy just terrible. i wanted to point out that this asshole was convicted of beating his grandmother to death with a hammer in 1980. personally i blame a pathetic justice system for allowing this guy to be out on the streets. i mean really? you beat your grandmother to death with a hammer and you're out of jail in less than 20 years? you're absolutely right, america has lost it's mind.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,747
    Abe Froman wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Geez, man. To argue against gun control has got to be one of the most asinine positions a person could take- it's almost 'cult like'... to be so obtuse to the reality of the now.
    So true. I don't get why others can't see this.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,747
    What fucked up minds shot to fireman???
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    My hearts go out to this whacko's family. Horrible story. But anyone who thinks that this can be made into some argument against guns...well I would just say this is the reason why capital punishment should be supported.

    "William Spengler had served more than 17 years in prison for beating his 92-year-old grandmother to death in 1980 at the house next to where Monday's attack happened".


    He beat his 92 year old grandmother to death and he only served 17 years for that? If the government didn't fail us the first time around in serving justice this whacko would have never been able to do this crap again. :( :x
  • Horos
    Horos Posts: 4,519
    DS1119 wrote:
    My hearts go out to this whacko's family. Horrible story. But anyone who thinks that this can be made into some argument against guns...well I would just say this is the reason why capital punishment should be supported.

    "William Spengler had served more than 17 years in prison for beating his 92-year-old grandmother to death in 1980 at the house next to where Monday's attack happened".


    He beat his 92 year old grandmother to death and he only served 17 years for that? If the government didn't fail us the first time around in serving justice this whacko would have never been able to do this crap again. :( :x
    Personally I think this is a good argument for cruel and unusual punishment but if we can't have that then fuck capitol punishment. This guy should have never got out though.
    #FHP
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    goingtoverona wrote:
    oh man, terrible tragedy just terrible. i wanted to point out that this asshole was convicted of beating his grandmother to death with a hammer in 1980. personally i blame a pathetic justice system for allowing this guy to be out on the streets. i mean really? you beat your grandmother to death with a hammer and you're out of jail in less than 20 years? you're absolutely right, america has lost it's mind.

    You are suggesting a proactive maneuver... and a very reasonable one. If what you have presented is factual... he would have been dead (via capital punishment) in my mind.

    Verona... we are in disagreement over the gun control issue. I really don't like your position... but I have nothing against you. Have a great day with whoever you are spending it with.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,072
    then there is the usual nonsense on post 11.

    well done.

    :nono:

    and speaking of voting, how did your vote go again??
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,072
    he had the same gun as the newtown shooter...

    William Spengler, Killer Of 2 New York Firemen, Had Bushmaster Semiautomatic Rifle

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/2 ... 62646.html

    WEBSTER, N.Y. -- Police say the man who lured firefighters in Webster, N.Y., into a deadly ambush had the same make and caliber semiautomatic rifle as the one used in the Connecticut school massacre.

    Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering said Tuesday that 62-year-old William Spengler was armed with a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle, a .38-caliber revolver and a 12-gauge shotgun in Monday's ambush. Spengler killed two firefighters and wounded two others before fatally shooting himself.

    Police have not said which weapon or weapons were used to shoot the firefighters.

    Spengler, who set his house on fire to lure the first responders, left a note saying he wanted to burn down the neighborhood and kill as many people as possible. But the note didn't give a motive for the shooting.


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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    unfucking real. i'm ready to pack my shit up & get the fuck out of here and i am already out in the sticks of rural iowa. this story is sickening. just as my christmas was already bullshit enough (what with family problems and whatnot) now i got this horrorific tragedy on my mind.

    again... numbing

    piece of garbage monster beats him grandma to death w/ a hammer. serves 17 years out of a 20 year sentence. now this... good job new york state for not keeping him behind bars. good job for not offing this nasty cold bastard.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    Don't judge America by the lowest common denominator. Remember that everyone's vote counts the same, but not everyone does the same.

    your lowest common denominator is infinitely higher on the scale than any other "free" country in the world.
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