Obamacare sucks

fear4freedom · October 2012

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chadwick wrote:

for the first time in my life i have a primary health insurance and i even have a secondary insurance as well. all of this happened under obama. i am enjoying having my monthly and even weekly visits to the many doctors, clinics and multiple hospitals i see finally paid for.

fuck yes, obama!

you should be thanking those of us paying our taxes. we're the ones paying for you

you're welcome

He credits Obama like he devised this monstrosity bill, that was actually written years ago by the Apollo Alliance. LOL Obama gets all the credit and all the blame....so which one will win out? Many people dont understand that the only revenue that comes in....is from %53 of our nation!

usamamasan1 · October 2012

Why so many jokers hate success homie?

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BinFrog · October 2012

usamamasan1 wrote:

Why so many jokers hate success homie?

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Trolling or not, you really are the most useless poster on this entire board.

BinFrog · October 2012

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BinFrog wrote:

I am a left leaning independent with common sense and I'm guessing a lot more knowledge about the ACA and the healthcare industry than you. You're firing out empty rhetoric, catch phrases, and played out gimmicks. Try actually going out there and learning something for a change. You are just wrong here and out of your league.

OK, so according to you I'm out of my league. keep making blanket statements. you sound brilliant

you also say that obamacare has not led to job cuts. um, might want to check the news. you will be surprised to learn that domestic companies are in fact laying people off in lue of obamacare. that's what initiated my OP

So from my entire post, you chose to keep the last few sentences and then say I only make blanket statements. Nice tactic.

I've done my research, and I happen to work with several people who know WAY more about this subject than I ever will. Having talked with them, and having done my own research, I can tell you that you are flat out wrong and are just listening to the fear mongers who say that every time Obama sneezes a billion people die.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickal ... y-says-no/

You don't post anything of substance in your threads and then lash out when you get called out on it. And you wonder why nobody on here is taking you seriously. But that's fine, right? Rasmussen and Fox News have your back.

whygohome · October 2012

The Fixer wrote:

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whygohome wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

you're all over the place dude. let's make a concerted effort to stay on topic here. if you try really hard I'm confident you can do it

the excise tax mentioned in the OP is part of obamacare. hence the moving of labor overseas. but again, I'm sure it's not obama's fault. nothing ever is

The excise tax in an industry that makes obscene profits. Do you know anyone in the medical device sales or pharmaceutical sales industry? The amount of markup on these devices, and the amount of money wasted on taking doctors golfing, out to lunch, etc., is staggering. And, that is part of the reason for the high costs of healthcare.
So, if they want to bitch and whine over a 2.3% tax while people in this country have trouble paying their healthcare bills, or simply go bankrupt due to them, or get coerced into being tested--how doctors make a lot of money, instead of being treated, they can bitch and whine. The truth is that they are selfish and greedy and have one thing in mind: $$$$.

As for me being all over the place, it's called a joke. And this comment, "if you try really hard I'm confident you can do it" is one you would never make if we were having a face to face discussion. it's easy being a tough guy when you are on a band's message board. but, I don't expect much from someone from Philly, "tough guy" capital of the world. Go back to Broad Street.

yeah, I'm in med device sales. as I stated numerous times in this thread. try reading, it's good for you.

not all med device companies make profits...not even close. you'd be surprised at how poorly a lot of companies are run.

also, it's pharma reps who were big on taking docs out to lunches and golf outings. all of which is now against the law. they can't even give pens away anymore.

you're obviously up past your bedtime on this topic. study up and come back when you have a clue

Haha....look a these lines written by a smug prick: "you're obviously up past your bedtime on this topic. study up and come back when you have a clue."And this gem: "as I stated numerous times in this thread. try reading, it's good for you."

Everyone is a condescending tough guy when on an online chat board. I would love to see you try and make these comments if we were face to face in a bar. It would never happen, but I would love it if it did. I like laughing at people who live in a constant haze testosterone induced stupidity.

I would love to know what company you work for. Why don't you post a link to back up your intimate knowledge?

I know people in the pharma sales and med device sales industries, and from what I have heard the markup on medical devices is obscene. From what I have heard the $$ spend on "schmoozing" doctors is a complete waste. It doesn't matter that this is illegal now. Do you think it still doesn't happen?

I'm not wasting any more time on a smug prick like you. It's obvious that you have a monopoly on all the knowledge associated with this topic, so we should all shut up and get out of your way.

Here are just a few articles I have come across when reading about this topic. I try to stay away from the lunatic sites, and instead try to gather as much info as possible from those sites that do not rely on fear and/or propaganda:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-0 ... althy.html

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3684

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 88712.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphilli ... obamacare/

Cosmo · October 2012

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Cosmo wrote:

Does anyone know WHY employers provide Health Care Insurance?
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It is because it is one of many benefits companies use to obtain and retain employees. Prior to the 1930s... companies didn't have to provide shit to it workers other than a wage. Through collective bargaining agreements, workers got benefits, such as sick days, vacation days, paid holidays, medical insurance, etc... along with their wages.
It has evolved into something that people expect to get automatically.

your last line is one of the biggest problems in this country...sense of entitlement. the man is supposed to give, give, give

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Hey, you know what?
I believe I shoud be taxed on the Cadillac Health Care Insurance I am provided by my company. They are giving me a GREAT deal on access to premium care that I could not otherwise afford. I am grateful for that.
Employer provided Health Care Insurance is a benefit that holds monetary value... I really believe that it should be lumped in as part of our annual salaries as a taxable benefit.

whygohome · October 2012

Cosmo wrote:

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The Fixer wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Does anyone know WHY employers provide Health Care Insurance?
...
It is because it is one of many benefits companies use to obtain and retain employees. Prior to the 1930s... companies didn't have to provide shit to it workers other than a wage. Through collective bargaining agreements, workers got benefits, such as sick days, vacation days, paid holidays, medical insurance, etc... along with their wages.
It has evolved into something that people expect to get automatically.

your last line is one of the biggest problems in this country...sense of entitlement. the man is supposed to give, give, give

...
Hey, you know what?
I believe I shoud be taxed on the Cadillac Health Care Insurance I am provided by my company. They are giving me a GREAT deal on access to premium care that I could not otherwise afford. I am grateful for that.
Employer provided Health Care Insurance is a benefit that holds monetary value... I really believe that it should be lumped in as part of our annual salaries as a taxable benefit.

Cosmo, how do you keep a straight face responding to this drivel.

Employer provided healthcare is now something that falls under the umbrella of "sense of entitlement?" It is now part of the "give me, give me" culture?

Unreal.

The Fixer · October 2012

BinFrog wrote:

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The Fixer wrote:

BinFrog wrote:

I am a left leaning independent with common sense and I'm guessing a lot more knowledge about the ACA and the healthcare industry than you. You're firing out empty rhetoric, catch phrases, and played out gimmicks. Try actually going out there and learning something for a change. You are just wrong here and out of your league.

OK, so according to you I'm out of my league. keep making blanket statements. you sound brilliant

you also say that obamacare has not led to job cuts. um, might want to check the news. you will be surprised to learn that domestic companies are in fact laying people off in lue of obamacare. that's what initiated my OP

So from my entire post, you chose to keep the last few sentences and then say I only make blanket statements. Nice tactic.

I've done my research, and I happen to work with several people who know WAY more about this subject than I ever will. Having talked with them, and having done my own research, I can tell you that you are flat out wrong and are just listening to the fear mongers who say that every time Obama sneezes a billion people die.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickal ... y-says-no/

You don't post anything of substance in your threads and then lash out when you get called out on it. And you wonder why nobody on here is taking you seriously. But that's fine, right? Rasmussen and Fox News have your back.

another fox news reference!!! shocking!!!! NO ONE HERE MENTIONED THAT JOKE OF AN OUTLET. come up with something new. please

you should have the people who know so much more about you post here. then your posts would bring value

go back to the OP. how does that article fail to 'bring substance'?? Because of obamacare, domestic companies are cutting jobs and exporting labor. funny since two of his primary campaign platforms are increasing domestic jobs and incentivizing companies to stop sending labor overseas. if that's not a conlict of interest than I don't knw what is

I know, I know...it's never obama's fault. best president ever

BinFrog · October 2012

The Fixer wrote:

I know, I know...it's never obama's fault. best president ever

And this is what you always fall back on, so we're even.

I am not an Obama sympathizer. I've made that clear.

Cosmo · October 2012

whygohome wrote:

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Cosmo wrote:

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Hey, you know what?
I believe I shoud be taxed on the Cadillac Health Care Insurance I am provided by my company. They are giving me a GREAT deal on access to premium care that I could not otherwise afford. I am grateful for that.
Employer provided Health Care Insurance is a benefit that holds monetary value... I really believe that it should be lumped in as part of our annual salaries as a taxable benefit.

Cosmo, how do you keep a straight face responding to this drivel.

Employer provided healthcare is now something that falls under the umbrella of "sense of entitlement?" It is now part of the "give me, give me" culture?

Unreal.

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Please, re-read the statement I made.
I am saying I am willing to help PAY for my Employer provided Health Care Insurance by having to included as part of my wages. I am GRATEFUL they offer me this access I would, otherwise, not be able to afford. I should include the company provided insurance on my 1040 Form as income because I benefit from it.. but, only pay $460 of the $6,463 value of the coverage.

The Fixer · October 2012

whygohome wrote:

Haha....look a these lines written by a smug prick: "you're obviously up past your bedtime on this topic. study up and come back when you have a clue."And this gem: "as I stated numerous times in this thread. try reading, it's good for you."

Everyone is a condescending tough guy when on an online chat board. I would love to see you try and make these comments if we were face to face in a bar. It would never happen, but I would love it if it did. I like laughing at people who live in a constant haze testosterone induced stupidity.

I would love to know what company you work for. Why don't you post a link to back up your intimate knowledge?

I know people in the pharma sales and med device sales industries, and from what I have heard the markup on medical devices is obscene. From what I have heard the $$ spend on "schmoozing" doctors is a complete waste. It doesn't matter that this is illegal now. Do you think it still doesn't happen?

I'm not wasting any more time on a smug prick like you. It's obvious that you have a monopoly on all the knowledge associated with this topic, so we should all shut up and get out of your way.

Here are just a few articles I have come across when reading about this topic. I try to stay away from the lunatic sites, and instead try to gather as much info as possible from those sites that do not rely on fear and/or propaganda:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-0 ... althy.html

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3684

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 88712.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphilli ... obamacare/

again, all. over. the. place.

here are a few quotes that you actually used. then you try to make an intelligent post. um, doesn't work

'It would never happen, but I would love it if it did'

'from what I have heard the markup on med devices is obscene'. Nice source, and certainly not proof that all device companies make money or have the ability to incur a meaningless tax hike

'from what I have heard (AGAIN!! you 'hear' a lot of stuff, you shoudl be a reporter) the money spent on schmoozing doctros is a complete waste'

'I try to gather as much info as possible from sites that do not rely on fear and propaganda' um, I never posted links to any progaganda websites. just a press release based on recent happenings in the device industry

keep believing everything you 'hear and keep ignoring those who actually work in the indsutry for a living. I mentioned my job in the thread. again, reading...try it

The Fixer · October 2012

whygohome wrote:

Cosmo, how do you keep a straight face responding to this drivel.

Employer provided healthcare is now something that falls under the umbrella of "sense of entitlement?" It is now part of the "give me, give me" culture?

Unreal.

You love blanket statements. what's your point?

last time I checked they are called 'benefits' for a reaason. it's not mandatory that employers provide healthcare to their employees

whygohome · October 2012

The Fixer wrote:

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whygohome wrote:

Haha....look a these lines written by a smug prick: "you're obviously up past your bedtime on this topic. study up and come back when you have a clue."And this gem: "as I stated numerous times in this thread. try reading, it's good for you."

Everyone is a condescending tough guy when on an online chat board. I would love to see you try and make these comments if we were face to face in a bar. It would never happen, but I would love it if it did. I like laughing at people who live in a constant haze testosterone induced stupidity.

I would love to know what company you work for. Why don't you post a link to back up your intimate knowledge?

I know people in the pharma sales and med device sales industries, and from what I have heard the markup on medical devices is obscene. From what I have heard the $$ spend on "schmoozing" doctors is a complete waste. It doesn't matter that this is illegal now. Do you think it still doesn't happen?

I'm not wasting any more time on a smug prick like you. It's obvious that you have a monopoly on all the knowledge associated with this topic, so we should all shut up and get out of your way.

Here are just a few articles I have come across when reading about this topic. I try to stay away from the lunatic sites, and instead try to gather as much info as possible from those sites that do not rely on fear and/or propaganda:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-0 ... althy.html

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3684

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 88712.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphilli ... obamacare/

again, all. over. the. place.

here are a few quotes that you actually used. then you try to make an intelligent post. um, doesn't work

'It would never happen, but I would love it if it did'

'from what I have heard the markup on med devices is obscene'. Nice source, and certainly not proof that all device companies make money or have the ability to incur a meaningless tax hike

'from what I have heard (AGAIN!! you 'hear' a lot of stuff, you shoudl be a reporter) the money spent on schmoozing doctros is a complete waste'

'I try to gather as much info as possible from sites that do not rely on fear and propaganda' um, I never posted links to any progaganda websites. just a press release based on recent happenings in the device industry

keep believing everything you 'hear and keep ignoring those who actually work in the indsutry for a living. I mentioned my job in the thread. again, reading...try it

Once again, all over the place.

Reading your posts I envision my 3 year old nephew who is pissed off because he can't have ice cream.

How am I ignoring people in the industry? That's where I get my information from.
How do I know that you are in the industry? What proof do I have of that?

Keep comfy in that nice ego-protected womb you rest in.

The Fixer · December 2012

whygohome wrote:

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The Fixer wrote:

whygohome wrote:

Haha....look a these lines written by a smug prick: "you're obviously up past your bedtime on this topic. study up and come back when you have a clue."And this gem: "as I stated numerous times in this thread. try reading, it's good for you."

Everyone is a condescending tough guy when on an online chat board. I would love to see you try and make these comments if we were face to face in a bar. It would never happen, but I would love it if it did. I like laughing at people who live in a constant haze testosterone induced stupidity.

I would love to know what company you work for. Why don't you post a link to back up your intimate knowledge?

I know people in the pharma sales and med device sales industries, and from what I have heard the markup on medical devices is obscene. From what I have heard the $$ spend on "schmoozing" doctors is a complete waste. It doesn't matter that this is illegal now. Do you think it still doesn't happen?

I'm not wasting any more time on a smug prick like you. It's obvious that you have a monopoly on all the knowledge associated with this topic, so we should all shut up and get out of your way.

Here are just a few articles I have come across when reading about this topic. I try to stay away from the lunatic sites, and instead try to gather as much info as possible from those sites that do not rely on fear and/or propaganda:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-0 ... althy.html

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3684

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 88712.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphilli ... obamacare/

again, all. over. the. place.

here are a few quotes that you actually used. then you try to make an intelligent post. um, doesn't work

'It would never happen, but I would love it if it did'

'from what I have heard the markup on med devices is obscene'. Nice source, and certainly not proof that all device companies make money or have the ability to incur a meaningless tax hike

'from what I have heard (AGAIN!! you 'hear' a lot of stuff, you shoudl be a reporter) the money spent on schmoozing doctros is a complete waste'

'I try to gather as much info as possible from sites that do not rely on fear and propaganda' um, I never posted links to any progaganda websites. just a press release based on recent happenings in the device industry

keep believing everything you 'hear and keep ignoring those who actually work in the indsutry for a living. I mentioned my job in the thread. again, reading...try it

Once again, all over the place.

Reading your posts I envision my 3 year old nephew who is pissed off because he can't have ice cream.

How am I ignoring people in the industry? That's where I get my information from.
How do I know that you are in the industry? What proof do I have of that?

Keep comfy in that nice ego-protected womb you rest in.

I work in med sales dude...I have mentioned that a few times. You're not very good at reading.

funny that even the liberal turds are now pulling back on parts of obamacare...specifically, the device tax

what a fucking disaster...'change' that equals less domestic jobs. what an ass hole

http://www.freeenterprise.com/health-ca ... t-industry

The Fixer · November 2013

So yeah, nice work liberals. Again

Obama is possibly the worst president ever. And obamacare is possibly the worst thing ever (even worse tahn ruben amaro, which is virtually impossible)

Guitar92player · November 2013

The Fixer wrote:

So yeah, nice work liberals. Again

Obama is possibly the worst president ever. And obamacare is possibly the worst thing ever (even worse tahn ruben amaro, which is virtually impossible)

You act like conservatives are any better.

From an independent viewpoint, both sides suck, and yes, Obama is not a great president, but then again no president is perfect and is liked by all.

Complaining about Obamacare, especially when it hasn't been out long, is pointless. If it turns out horribly bad then the next President, who will probably be Republican based off America's recent flip-flop voting, will end it.

chadwick · December 2013

http://youtu.be/gUoIa2Xu-UU
my new hero, dr. mark (i think is his name)
at first glance some of you will think he is an idiot with wild hair & goofy makeup
he is a wonderful psychiatrist with a genius brain
watch his videos

EdsonNascimento · December 2013

Here's the silliness of this idea - they spent 3.5 years preparing to implement the law. Then, when insurers stopped offering plans they said they weren't allowed to offer, they acted shocked and pointed fingers. Then, gave 3 weeks to undo it which if you knew what was required in filing rates, benefits, etc. would sound even more ludicrous than it already does.

Not only was it totally predictable - they created the situation!!!! How could they not see that plans they outlawed would be terminated? How does one go about being that stupid?

Obamacare sucks

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