Obamacare sucks
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Of course not all :fp: really come onredrock wrote:pandora wrote:
no not gonna take the time with something so common sense..Smellyman wrote:[
Can you provide any real facts for that?
Read the article I posted about one case and do the math.
Have you been to the emergency room in the past few years?
Perhaps take a trip spend the day...
I have been, unfortunately way too numerous of times.
No beds, no rooms,
no one paying their bill, causing medical costs to rise of course.
And all these people that flood the service (as you described), don't pay, take away beds and rooms from people like you are all illegal immigrants? That's what you see in your emergency room? Or is it maybe non-white people that need medical help (just like you, or whoever you were with, needed when going to the ER)? What are you really saying? Too many hispanics (or other race/culture..) innundating the hospitals? How would you know who is illegal or not, who has insurance or not, who is american or foreign? Or have you gone around the ER and, on your numerous visits, taken a poll and asked to see papers?
Jeez....
can we be sensible?
50 billion in unpaid debt to our hospitals in 2011, this incurred by all races all colors of course.
Yes I am saying our social budget is out of control due in part to illegal immigrants.
Our rising medical costs are due in part to illegal immigrants not paying their bills.
Because someone wants to stop immigrants from entering our country illegally
and want a solution to those here does not make them racist
though some immediately try to use that to brand another.
It is ridiculous and lacks good common sense.
What I am saying is illegal immigrants and Obamacare will actually force some
into poverty. The hard working father can not afford the bronze plan,
so he and his family go uninsured and the kids can't go to the doctor....
they must go to the ER and pay a $1500 visit. Which they do over time.
He is penalized by the government with a tax penalty for not carrying insurance,
less money coming home to pay for food on the table.
Taxes are raised to cover the enormous social budget that provides for millions of
illegal immigrants ... more money out of his weekly pay.
The justice is not there for him.0 -
The exchange of posts being on the subject of illegal immigrants. Your response and reference to the ER was based on illegal immigrants.
We get what you're saying.
Pandora: To come to a country illegally, use it's social services, flood it with extra costs
Pandora: The illegal immigrant in the link was cared for, do I think he should not have been?
Of course not, he should not have been here.
Pandora: ...fair to pay for illegal people's bills
Pandora: As far as illegals, they are rising health costs to unaffordable levels.
Smellyman: Can you provide any real facts for that?
Pandora: no not gonna take the time with something so common sense..
Read the article I posted about one case and do the math.[/color]
Have you been to the emergency room in the past few years?
Perhaps take a trip spend the day...
I have been, unfortunately way too numerous of times.
No beds, no rooms,
no one paying their bill, causing medical costs to rise of course.0 -
So you agree now?redrock wrote:The exchange of posts being on the subject of illegal immigrants. Your response and reference to the ER was based on illegal immigrants.
We get what you're saying.
Pandora: To come to a country illegally, use it's social services, flood it with extra costs
Pandora: The illegal immigrant in the link was cared for, do I think he should not have been?
Of course not, he should not have been here.
Pandora: ...fair to pay for illegal people's bills
Pandora: As far as illegals, they are rising health costs to unaffordable levels.
Smellyman: Can you provide any real facts for that?
Pandora: no not gonna take the time with something so common sense..
Read the article I posted about one case and do the math.[/color]
Have you been to the emergency room in the past few years?
Perhaps take a trip spend the day...
I have been, unfortunately way too numerous of times.
No beds, no rooms,
no one paying their bill, causing medical costs to rise of course.0 -
pandora wrote:
So you agree now?redrock wrote:The exchange of posts being on the subject of illegal immigrants. Your response and reference to the ER was based on illegal immigrants.
We get what you're saying.
Pandora: To come to a country illegally, use it's social services, flood it with extra costs
Pandora: The illegal immigrant in the link was cared for, do I think he should not have been?
Of course not, he should not have been here.
Pandora: ...fair to pay for illegal people's bills
Pandora: As far as illegals, they are rising health costs to unaffordable levels.
Smellyman: Can you provide any real facts for that?
Pandora: no not gonna take the time with something so common sense..
Read the article I posted about one case and do the math.[/color]
Have you been to the emergency room in the past few years?
Perhaps take a trip spend the day...
I have been, unfortunately way too numerous of times.
No beds, no rooms,
no one paying their bill, causing medical costs to rise of course.
Wow... if that's how you read this post, I'm more than flabbergasted. :shock: Talk about obtuse.
Or maybe this is just part of your 'trolling' and I'm taking the bait again... silly me.
No Pandora, I don't agree to anything that is xenophobic like putting the woes of a country on a certain population of such country. But you know that and you understood my post perfectly.0 -
I guess we can't be sensible if you really thought I meant all of the unpaid medical debtredrock wrote:pandora wrote:
So you agree now?redrock wrote:The exchange of posts being on the subject of illegal immigrants. Your response and reference to the ER was based on illegal immigrants.
We get what you're saying.
Pandora: To come to a country illegally, use it's social services, flood it with extra costs
Pandora: The illegal immigrant in the link was cared for, do I think he should not have been?
Of course not, he should not have been here.
Pandora: ...fair to pay for illegal people's bills
Pandora: As far as illegals, they are rising health costs to unaffordable levels.
Smellyman: Can you provide any real facts for that?
Pandora: no not gonna take the time with something so common sense..
Read the article I posted about one case and do the math.[/color]
Have you been to the emergency room in the past few years?
Perhaps take a trip spend the day...
I have been, unfortunately way too numerous of times.
No beds, no rooms,
no one paying their bill, causing medical costs to rise of course.
Wow... if that's how you read this post, I'm more than flabbergasted. :shock: Talk about obtuse.
Or maybe this is just part of your 'trolling' and I'm taking the bait again... silly me.
and the rising costs of medical care was due to illegal immigrants.
Oh boy oy oy
no not obtuse :fp:
it is true ...
you can not take a joke
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Change your story all you want, your posts were clearly focusing on illegal immigrants.
And yes, I can take a joke but I do not find wanting to deny medical care to a whole section of the population a laughing matter.
I'm done with this 'exchange' but no doubt you wil want the last word as you usually do. Then again, I may be pleasantly surprised.0 -
see Mr. McCready's response to this on the front page of pearljam.com0
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polaris_x wrote:pjhawks wrote:see Mr. McCready's response to this on the front page of pearljam.com
what are your thoughts on his video? ... correct me if I am wrong but you support the GOP do you not?
I am independent and support idividuals and ideals not a party. didn't get to watch the video as i am at work and don't have my speakers hooked up here. I just read what was written below it.0 -
...pandora wrote:
I see it unfair to put someone else into poverty. To come to a country illegally,Cosmo wrote:
...pandora wrote:Yes right now we both have the luxury of moral compass.
But I am speaking of fairness and justice.
You can afford to pay for yourself and the taxes. Not everyone has that luxury.
As far as illegals, they are rising health costs to unaffordable levels.
Unless that is addressed more will be without insurance, paying higher taxes and penalties.
No... I do not think a moral compass is a luxury. We all have moral compasses, rich, poor or otherwise. Which direction our compass points is decided by us.
Now, just to clue you in.. i'm am not going to get involved with one of your circular discussions. The basis of this is the life of death of one person and their inability to pay their hospital bill. You see him as undeserving because he is in this country illegally and should have been left to die... and i see him as just another human being that is alive today thanks to the sacrifice of a great nation that sees people in a greater light than money.
use it's social services, flood it with extra costs, lower it's value for the citizens
of that country.
Like I said good for you you can afford
to pay the tax and pay for insurance. Maybe you can then afford to do even more?
As others in your position. Perhaps that could be a solution an extra required
sponsorship to provide for those who can not afford insurance.
But still we see it is a none issue for you so you can pretend
to have better morals than those
less fortunate who are not in your position.
Do you think you have more morals than the father working 2 jobs
but who can not afford health plans for his wife and kids?
This man who would like a solution to rising health care costs and taxation
and be on a level playing field. The father who is paying out to others
while he and his family are in need, just as much need.
The repercussions of paying for one is paying for millions.
It is causing rising health costs keeping people from affording healthcare,
it is causing higher taxation and the cycle perpetuates.
No sympathy I see for the American families struggling,
who do not have the luxury to afford either insurance or penalties and taxes,
they are being buried.
But glad you you have a moral compass, just selective perhaps.
The illegal immigrant in the link was cared for, do I think he should not have been?
Of course not, he should not have been here.
The hospital relied on donations and charities to help cover the millions
in medical costs his illness required.
Hopefully more people of means, like you, will step up
and give to cover these costs. Perhaps then the cycle will cease
and the American Dad working two jobs will be able to afford a bronze plan
and the higher taxes it takes to keep our social services intact.
Personally I don't think it will be enough. This Dad wants to send his kids to college too.
Okay... so, cutting through the unrelated bullshit that has nothing to do with this question... your short answer is:
"Let the Mexican Motherfucker die".
Got it.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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I guess your answer is fuck no! I can't help more, punish the American dad working two jobsCosmo wrote:
...pandora wrote:I see it unfair to put someone else into poverty. To come to a country illegally,
use it's social services, flood it with extra costs, lower it's value for the citizens
of that country.
Like I said good for you you can afford
to pay the tax and pay for insurance. Maybe you can then afford to do even more?
As others in your position. Perhaps that could be a solution an extra required
sponsorship to provide for those who can not afford insurance.
But still we see it is a none issue for you so you can pretend
to have better morals than those
less fortunate who are not in your position.
Do you think you have more morals than the father working 2 jobs
but who can not afford health plans for his wife and kids?
This man who would like a solution to rising health care costs and taxation
and be on a level playing field. The father who is paying out to others
while he and his family are in need, just as much need.
The repercussions of paying for one is paying for millions.
It is causing rising health costs keeping people from affording healthcare,
it is causing higher taxation and the cycle perpetuates.
No sympathy I see for the American families struggling,
who do not have the luxury to afford either insurance or penalties and taxes,
they are being buried.
But glad you you have a moral compass, just selective perhaps.
The illegal immigrant in the link was cared for, do I think he should not have been?
Of course not, he should not have been here.
The hospital relied on donations and charities to help cover the millions
in medical costs his illness required.
Hopefully more people of means, like you, will step up
and give to cover these costs. Perhaps then the cycle will cease
and the American Dad working two jobs will be able to afford a bronze plan
and the higher taxes it takes to keep our social services intact.
Personally I don't think it will be enough. This Dad wants to send his kids to college too.
Okay... so, cutting through the unrelated bullshit that has nothing to do with this question... your short answer is:
"Let the Mexican Motherfucker die".
Got it.
and leave me the fuck alone on my pretend moral highground ...
perhaps you could learn to really read what you respond too
before making the other poster into a racist.
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The support I hear for Obamacare always returns to insurance companies
refusing coverage or preexisting conditions.
Why could the government not have passed a bill to handle this fairly
requiring insurance companies to accept these people
instead of requiring and forcing every American and every business
to enroll in our Presidents plan or be punished monetarily if they choose not to?0 -
...pandora wrote:
I guess your answer is fuck no! I can't help more, punish the American dad working two jobsCosmo wrote:
...pandora wrote:Maybe you can then afford to do even more?
Cosmo: Assumption. and the Question mark... is this a question?
Perhaps that could be a solution an extra required sponsorship to provide for those who can not afford insurance.
Cosmo: **Put a 'Have A Nice Day' guy with a perplexed, "What The FUCK?" expression on his face, here**
Do you think you have more morals than the father working 2 jobs but who can not afford health plans for his wife and kids?
Cosmo: Assumption. Nothing to do with anything... other than adding yet another unrelated anecdotal example.
No sympathy I see for the American families struggling
Cosmo: Assumption.
The illegal immigrant in the link was cared for, do I think he should not have been?
Of course not, he should not have been here.
Cosmo: But, the reality is... he WAS here... and he GOT TREATMENT... and it COST MONEY... which YOU ARE BITCHING ABOUT.
Hopefully more people of means, like you, will step up
Cosmo: Again, Assumption. What makes you think that people like me AREN'T stepping up?
Okay... so, cutting through the unrelated bullshit that has nothing to do with this question... your short answer is:
"Let the Mexican Motherfucker die".
Got it.
and leave me the fuck alone on my pretend moral highground ...
perhaps you could learn to really read what you respond too
before making the other poster into a racist.
:fp:
No matter how you try to spin it... everything you are saying is that the money would have been better spent on helping a father working two jobs than saving the live of this man.
I see it differently. I see it as a case where a great nation saved the life of a dying man.. and didn't give a shit about his national origin or citizenship. We just saw him as a dying man that could be and has been saved.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!0 -
ThisCosmo wrote:[No matter how you try to spin it... everything you are saying is that the money would have been better spent on helping a father working two jobs than saving the live of this man.
I see it differently. I see it as a case where a great nation saved the life of a dying man.. and didn't give a shit about his national origin or citizenship. We just saw him as a dying man that could be and has been saved.Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
...keeponrockin wrote:
ThisCosmo wrote:[No matter how you try to spin it... everything you are saying is that the money would have been better spent on helping a father working two jobs than saving the live of this man.
I see it differently. I see it as a case where a great nation saved the life of a dying man.. and didn't give a shit about his national origin or citizenship. We just saw him as a dying man that could be and has been saved.
Also... I love it when someone says something that is totally irrelevant... then, puts this guy --> :fp: at the end of the comment.
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The reason why I love is because it saves me the hassle of putting him --> :fp: up at he end of their nonsensical statement.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!0 -
http://youtu.be/ciUJhM1FYKI
mike mccready on obamacarefor poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
pandora wrote:The support I hear for Obamacare always returns to insurance companies
refusing coverage or preexisting conditions.
Why could the government not have passed a bill to handle this fairly
requiring insurance companies to accept these people
instead of requiring and forcing every American and every business
to enroll in our Presidents plan or be punished monetarily if they choose not to?
Because that was the trade-off the government made with the insurance companies, their compensation for accepting higher risk enrollees is 30+million new customers. Just like the insurance companies demanded the inclusion of birth control to all policies as a trade off for keeping dependent children covered on their parents policies longer, free birth control=less children=lower costs for the insurance providers. The right sees the bill as socialist, but it's actually pro big business (insurance companies)0 -
Nittany1bn wrote:pandora wrote:The support I hear for Obamacare always returns to insurance companies
refusing coverage or preexisting conditions.
Why could the government not have passed a bill to handle this fairly
requiring insurance companies to accept these people
instead of requiring and forcing every American and every business
to enroll in our Presidents plan or be punished monetarily if they choose not to?
Because that was the trade-off the government made with the insurance companies, their compensation for accepting higher risk enrollees is 30+million new customers. Just like the insurance companies demanded the inclusion of birth control to all policies as a trade off for keeping dependent children covered on their parents policies longer, free birth control=less children=lower costs for the insurance providers. The right sees the bill as socialist, but it's actually pro big business (insurance companies)
Well stated.
Expanding a market is capitalism. This is what the individual mandate does; this is what the health insurance exchanges do.
And (if all goes well :? ) this could relieve the strain on businesses that feel it is a "burden" to offer their employees health insurance. In the end though, I doubt these employees will see enough of an income boost to feel it is a win-win for them. Not with CEOs making the money they make and not with the imbalance of the top controlling all the wealth.0 -
..whygohome wrote:Well stated.
Expanding a market is capitalism. This is what the individual mandate does; this is what the health insurance exchanges do.
And (if all goes well :? ) this could relieve the strain on businesses that feel it is a "burden" to offer their employees health insurance. In the end though, I doubt these employees will see enough of an income boost to feel it is a win-win for them. Not with CEOs making the money they make and not with the imbalance of the top controlling all the wealth.
Also... wouldn't it be a relief if your access to health care was not tied to your employer? The way it was.. we were all one pink slip away from losing our affordable health care insurance along with the loss of our paychecks.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!0
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