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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Hartydog wrote:
    There are serious issues. Thin, thin roster. Years of bad drafts.

    I agree ... As long as Jones is the GM that will continue.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Hartydog wrote:
    There are serious issues. Thin, thin roster. Years of bad drafts.

    I agree ... As long as Jones is the GM that will continue.
    Amen, lukin2006...amen....I know injuries happen to every team, but gee whiz...the Cowboys' top round picks all seem to be made of glass. This franchise deserves a real GM....one who is not related to the owner.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    tybird wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Hartydog wrote:
    There are serious issues. Thin, thin roster. Years of bad drafts.

    I agree ... As long as Jones is the GM that will continue.
    Amen, lukin2006...amen....I know injuries happen to every team, but gee whiz...the Cowboys' top round picks all seem to be made of glass. This franchise deserves a real GM....one who is not related to the owner.

    I agree ... Do you think the cowboys could ever get a quality GM or coach with such a meddling owner? That's what I wonder now.

    The other thing that confuses me is Jones was there in the early 90's when the Cowboys offensive line was by far the best in football...they contributed greatly to the success of the triplets. I also remember our defensive front seven being pretty good. Now it seems he thinks the path to the Super Bowl is by accumulating Hollywood type players. This team would be leaps and bounds ahead of where they are now if they had concentrated on building dominate lines on both sides of the ball...but of course not many people buy offensive lineman jerseys. I have read that when/if his son takes over he'll likely hire football people to run the team ... we can only hope.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Poor Jerry Jones...still pissed that Jimmy Johnson got more credit for building those SB winners in the '90s. Face it Jerry, Jimmy knew more about football than you. Hire great football minds, sign the checks and get out of the way.

    But, I don't suspect that he will ever do that.....was the owner of the Texans answering all the questions about what happened tonight.....I have not seen Bob Kraft muttering to the press after his team's loss today.

    Like lukin2006 said....build the lines up first!!!
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Hartydog
    Hartydog Posts: 2,060
    They need some professional staff in the front office - i.e. not have it be the nepotism hot spot that it is now. Hire a quality GM and get out of the way. Take the hit that you need to for a year or 2 and rebuild the roster. Build through the draft and create a sustainable contender. Fill in gaps through free agency.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Hartydog wrote:
    They need some professional staff in the front office - i.e. not have it be the nepotism hot spot that it is now. Hire a quality GM and get out of the way. Take the hit that you need to for a year or 2 and rebuild the roster. Build through the draft and create a sustainable contender. Fill in gaps through free agency.

    I agree...unfortunately Jones can't figure out that he's the common denominator since 1995. In today's NFL you'll never win only hit every once in a while in the draft. In recent memory 5 guys in round 1 were not worth the number 1 pick...Julius Jones...Felix Jones...Marcus Spears...Anthony Spencer...Dez Bryant...not to mention giving Detroit a number 1 and 2 other picks for that bust of a WR. If they Just kept those 6 picks and invested on the D line and O line this team would be so much more competitive...and he'd still have Romo, Witten, Austin and Murray. Tough time to be a Cowboy fan.

    At least I got The Tigers to give me hope.
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  • dougfloyd
    dougfloyd Fishers, IN Posts: 2,585
    This explanation by Garrett is pitiful. How in the hell do you only send in 1 play call with 22 seconds left???

    http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/8509864/jason-garrett-admits-mistakes-game-management-dallas-cowboys-loss
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    dougfloyd wrote:
    This explanation by Garrett is pitiful. How in the hell do you only send in 1 play call with 22 seconds left???

    http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/8509864/jason-garrett-admits-mistakes-game-management-dallas-cowboys-loss


    He had time management issues last year...he should be head coach only and play calling turned over to the offensive co-ordinator...but that's a Jerry thing...pitiful.

    It's frustrating...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • dougfloyd
    dougfloyd Fishers, IN Posts: 2,585
    lukin2006 wrote:
    dougfloyd wrote:
    This explanation by Garrett is pitiful. How in the hell do you only send in 1 play call with 22 seconds left???

    http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/8509864/jason-garrett-admits-mistakes-game-management-dallas-cowboys-loss


    He had time management issues last year...he should be head coach only and play calling turned over to the offensive co-ordinator...but that's a Jerry thing...pitiful.

    It's frustrating...

    Yep, remember him icing his own kicker against Arizona last year? Brutal. I think he was a bad hire and should go but Jerry will probably keep him for at least 1 more year unless they completely bottom out this year. DeMarco Murray is also out indefinitely with ligament damage in his foot. :fp:
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    dougfloyd wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    dougfloyd wrote:
    This explanation by Garrett is pitiful. How in the hell do you only send in 1 play call with 22 seconds left???

    http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/8509864/jason-garrett-admits-mistakes-game-management-dallas-cowboys-loss


    He had time management issues last year...he should be head coach only and play calling turned over to the offensive co-ordinator...but that's a Jerry thing...pitiful.

    It's frustrating...

    Yep, remember him icing his own kicker against Arizona last year? Brutal. I think he was a bad hire and should go but Jerry will probably keep him for at least 1 more year unless they completely bottom out this year. DeMarco Murray is also out indefinitely with ligament damage in his foot. :fp:

    I forgot about him icing his own kicker...

    Do think they can get a real decent coach to come to Dallas with such a meddling owner?

    I just wonder after the Parcell's deal if its still a top choice destination.
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  • dougfloyd
    dougfloyd Fishers, IN Posts: 2,585
    lukin2006 wrote:

    I forgot about him icing his own kicker...

    Do think they can get a real decent coach to come to Dallas with such a meddling owner?

    I just wonder after the Parcell's deal if its still a top choice destination.

    I personally liked Parcell's even though he did get a few too many older players on the roster. I still think it will be a destination job because of the spotlight and media attention the Cowboys will always get. I think Gruden would consider it along with some other decent candidates, but if Jerry replaces him with just another yes man for him then it won't do any good.
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    2016 - Lexington, Wrigley
    2018 - Wrigley
    2022 - Nashville, St Louis
    2024 - Noblesville, Wrigley
    2025 - Nashville, Pittsburgh
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    dougfloyd wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:

    I forgot about him icing his own kicker...

    Do think they can get a real decent coach to come to Dallas with such a meddling owner?

    I just wonder after the Parcell's deal if its still a top choice destination.

    I personally liked Parcell's even though he did get a few too many older players on the roster. I still think it will be a destination job because of the spotlight and media attention the Cowboys will always get. I think Gruden would consider it along with some other decent candidates, but if Jerry replaces him with just another yes man for him then it won't do any good.

    That's just it...I have no idea who's out there as a head coach. If they only win 5-6 games I'm not so sure Garrett's back.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • dougfloyd
    dougfloyd Fishers, IN Posts: 2,585
    lukin2006 wrote:
    dougfloyd wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:

    I forgot about him icing his own kicker...

    Do think they can get a real decent coach to come to Dallas with such a meddling owner?

    I just wonder after the Parcell's deal if its still a top choice destination.

    I personally liked Parcell's even though he did get a few too many older players on the roster. I still think it will be a destination job because of the spotlight and media attention the Cowboys will always get. I think Gruden would consider it along with some other decent candidates, but if Jerry replaces him with just another yes man for him then it won't do any good.

    That's just it...I have no idea who's out there as a head coach. If they only win 5-6 games I'm not so sure Garrett's back.

    Unfortunately we're probably going to end up right in that 7-9 or 8-8 spot which will make Jerry think they are close. The good thing going for them is that the rest of the league is very up and down this year, nobody is really dominant. If they sneak in the playoffs I'd consider the season a success, I didn't have high expectations before the season started.
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    2000 - Noblesville
    2010 - Noblesville
    2011 - EV solo St Louis, PJ20 Alpine Valley
    2012 - San Fran (Oracle)
    2013 - Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014 - Cincy, St Louis, Detroit
    2016 - Lexington, Wrigley
    2018 - Wrigley
    2022 - Nashville, St Louis
    2024 - Noblesville, Wrigley
    2025 - Nashville, Pittsburgh
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    8-8 might get us the playoffs...heck maybe even win the division :D
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • Hartydog
    Hartydog Posts: 2,060
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Hartydog wrote:
    They need some professional staff in the front office - i.e. not have it be the nepotism hot spot that it is now. Hire a quality GM and get out of the way. Take the hit that you need to for a year or 2 and rebuild the roster. Build through the draft and create a sustainable contender. Fill in gaps through free agency.

    I agree...unfortunately Jones can't figure out that he's the common denominator since 1995. In today's NFL you'll never win only hit every once in a while in the draft. In recent memory 5 guys in round 1 were not worth the number 1 pick...Julius Jones...Felix Jones...Marcus Spears...Anthony Spencer...Dez Bryant...not to mention giving Detroit a number 1 and 2 other picks for that bust of a WR. If they Just kept those 6 picks and invested on the D line and O line this team would be so much more competitive...and he'd still have Romo, Witten, Austin and Murray. Tough time to be a Cowboy fan.

    At least I got The Tigers to give me hope.

    when I think of the Quincy Carter pick I throw up a little in my mouth. 3 rounds too early.
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  • SatansFuton
    SatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    dougfloyd wrote:
    I personally liked Parcell's even though he did get a few too many older players on the roster. I still think it will be a destination job because of the spotlight and media attention the Cowboys will always get. I think Gruden would consider it along with some other decent candidates, but if Jerry replaces him with just another yes man for him then it won't do any good.

    Due to the media attention and spotlight you mentioned, Dallas is pretty much the premiere destination for every job you can hold with a franchise, other than coach I think. I'm sure just about every coach in the league would theoretically like to coach the Cowboys, but not under Jones. Coaches are control freaks, and ones that made it this far in their career are MAJOR control freaks, and there's nothing that pisses them off more than some guy meddling in their business and thinking they're a football genius just because they made enough money to buy an NFL team.

    I don't think you're going to get a good coach until Jones is gone. He mainly (at least since Johnson and Switzer) hires "Yes Men" who will allow him to meddle in the team or cronies. And his working relationships with strong-willed coaches have not been great.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    dougfloyd wrote:
    I personally liked Parcell's even though he did get a few too many older players on the roster. I still think it will be a destination job because of the spotlight and media attention the Cowboys will always get. I think Gruden would consider it along with some other decent candidates, but if Jerry replaces him with just another yes man for him then it won't do any good.

    Due to the media attention and spotlight you mentioned, Dallas is pretty much the premiere destination for every job you can hold with a franchise, other than coach I think. I'm sure just about every coach in the league would theoretically like to coach the Cowboys, but not under Jones. Coaches are control freaks, and ones that made it this far in their career are MAJOR control freaks, and there's nothing that pisses them off more than some guy meddling in their business and thinking they're a football genius just because they made enough money to buy an NFL team.

    I don't think you're going to get a good coach until Jones is gone. He mainly (at least since Johnson and Switzer) hires "Yes Men" who will allow him to meddle in the team or cronies. And his working relationships with strong-willed coaches have not been great.

    Thats what I think. I find it hard to believe with Bill Cowher sitting out theree that jones didm't reach out to him in Wade Phillips last year...I know Jones has an agreement with Garrett, I just don't think Jones is that loyal to his staff. With that being said this team has way too many problems and coaching is just 1 of them.

    Until they put together 3-4 consecutive years of solid drafting in which they get 3-4 starters in each draft and a couple role players this team will continue to be mediocre. I see nothing in the future that will dictate that will happen.

    With that being said and what is seemingly so much parity in the NFL this team is a borderline playoff team...the problem is Romo doesn't seem to have the quick thinking ability for the NFL. We saw it at the end of the Baltimore game...he had to have known throwing a pass to Bryant there was a going nowhere, throw an incompletion at his feet, stop the clock, save the TO and try 1 more play to get some more yards...this guy will not lead a mediocre team to a SB victory...I also think Jones knows that as well, thats why he's trying to build a dominating defence.
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  • drivingrl
    drivingrl Posts: 1,448
    The view of the Death Star from my office:

    https://twitter.com/drivingrl/status/258221559410479105/photo/1/large

    Stupid Jerry Jones and stupid Cowboys.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    drivingrl wrote:
    The view of the Death Star from my office:

    https://twitter.com/drivingrl/status/258221559410479105/photo/1/large

    Stupid Jerry Jones and stupid Cowboys.

    not a cowboy fan ... ;)
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  • drivingrl
    drivingrl Posts: 1,448
    lukin2006 wrote:
    drivingrl wrote:
    The view of the Death Star from my office:

    https://twitter.com/drivingrl/status/258221559410479105/photo/1/large

    Stupid Jerry Jones and stupid Cowboys.

    not a cowboy fan ... ;)

    :nono:
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    Next!"