Creationists Plan Another Museum

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2012
    inlet13 wrote:
    I am contributing to the thread. I'm saying within this thread - you're putting forth a condescending, judgmental, intolerant viewpoint.

    Intolerant? Intolerant of what? There's a difference between intolerance and regarding something as being ridiculous.

    Are you suggesting that creationists and their views should be taken seriously?

    Do you believe the World is 6000 years old and that Noah herded all the animals on Earth onto a big ark during a flood that engulfed the Earth?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote:
    And then there is this guy, Charles Jackson, who I highly suspect is the illegitimate son of NASCAR great, Richard Petty.

    jackson_web.jpg
    And in the midst of the heaviness - boom!

    (thanks, as always ;) )
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    Byrnzie wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    No, I don't because as people evolve and change and learn they change their mind, they form opinions that are not of their upbringing and not of their parents. I have vastly differing views of the world around in comparison to when I was in my teens, 20s or 30s. You evolve and you learn, and a lot of the time it is through discussion with people who believe vastly different things to you do you view the world in a different way.

    Talking of very big stretches, you really think that early education plays no part in shaping young adults' outlook on the World?
    I take it you were brought up in England? Slightly different environment than the American Bible belt. Does religion play as big a role in English education as it does in America? Nope.
    hostis wrote:
    So are you implying here that people should only be educated what is known to be true and not to give them different views to enable them to make up their own mind and form their own beliefs?

    If we know something to be true, then why would we teach our children something 'different'? Or are you just arguing now for the pure sake of it?
    hostis wrote:
    You also have a VERY big stretch to go until creationism becomes a mainstream educational role in the USA or any western developed country for that matter.... for now and for the future, creationism will become a smaller and smaller footnote in the evolution of man...

    And you base this assertion on what exactly?

    that's quite a confusing quote up there but I will try and clear a few things up. I base my assertions on life experience and from talking to people. Nothing more nothing less. I have never met someone who has said that they have had the same views in life all the way through. That's because people evolve. Early education of course shapes young adults views of the world... how can it not?

    If we 'know' something to be true then why cant people be educated in different ways to understand the way of the world. We know Hitler and the nazis were wrong but children should still be taught it. Children (in fact everyone) should be taught all manner of things as part of our heritage and commitment to creating rounded individuals who can learn right from wrong, not just be taught right and take it for granted.

    As for the wonderful sweeping statement "I take it you were brought up in England? Slightly different environment than the American Bible belt. Does religion play as big a role in English education as it does in America? Nope. ". For a little background, I was educated in England, correct. Junior school was a convent educated mostly by nuns and a catholic mother (I was even an alter boy in my younger years) so I am not sure that religion could have played a bigger role in my formative years. If you can find a way, I would love for you to tell me. My senior school was a private school in southern England where I was taught RE (religious education), had morning and afternoon prayers and studied religion up until I was 18 (GCSE and A-Level). If you would like proof would you like a copy of my CV or my exam certificates? (do I do my little "in your face" dance now?)

    So, for other people, I can't obviosuly say, but for me religion has played a massive part in my life. Please stop with your sweeping presumptions. It belittles you. I thought you were better than this.

    As for creationism not getting mainstream, well, you posted it yourself. 16% of science teachers are creationists. That's a whopping 84% who are not. Atheism is the new religion. And its growing every day.
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    Byrnzie wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    I am contributing to the thread. I'm saying within this thread - you're putting forth a condescending, judgmental, intolerant viewpoint.

    Intolerant? Intolerant of what? There's a difference between intolerance and regarding something as being ridiculous.

    Are you suggesting that creationists and their views should be taken seriously?

    Do you believe the World is 6000 years old and that Noah herded all the animals on Earth onto a big ark during a flood that engulfed the Earth?

    you have already said you are intolerant of bullshit. And you haven't defended being condescending or judgemental....
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,773
    When I walk out into nature I'm in the Evolutionist Museum.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    hostis wrote:
    that's quite a confusing quote up there but I will try and clear a few things up. I base my assertions on life experience and from talking to people. Nothing more nothing less. I have never met someone who has said that they have had the same views in life all the way through. That's because people evolve. Early education of course shapes young adults views of the world... how can it not?

    So you're going to pretend that your education didn't influence you one way or the other? Seriously, are you really so desperate to appear on top in this debate that you'll try and pretend that your outlook on life is based solely on 'talking to people'?
    hostis wrote:
    If we 'know' something to be true then why cant people be educated in different ways to understand the way of the world. We know Hitler and the nazis were wrong but children should still be taught it.

    Children should still be taught it? Children should still be taught what? The Nazi's genetic and racial theories? The Nazis obsession with the old Norse religions and the Runes?
    Seriously, what are you suggesting that children should be taught about the Nazis in our schools? Should they be taught that the Nazis were possibly right, and that their views have as much validity as any other political entity? Should they be taught to be tolerant and understanding of Nazism? Is this where your need to win this debate has brought you?
    hostis wrote:
    As for the wonderful sweeping statement "I take it you were brought up in England? Slightly different environment than the American Bible belt. Does religion play as big a role in English education as it does in America? Nope. ". For a little background, I was educated in England, correct. Junior school was a convent educated mostly by nuns and a catholic mother (I was even an alter boy in my younger years) so I am not sure that religion could have played a bigger role in my formative years.

    for me religion has played a massive part in my life. Please stop with your sweeping presumptions. It belittles you. I thought you were better than this.


    My sweeping statement? My sweeping presumptions? :lol: Wow, you really love laying on the hyperbole don't you. I assumed you were brought up in England. Was I right? Yes.
    I then asked: "Does religion play as big a role in English education as it does in America?" Well does it? No, it doesn't. And the fact that you spent 18 years in religious education doesn't change that fact. Your experience is an exception, not the rule.

    hostis wrote:
    As for creationism not getting mainstream, well, you posted it yourself. 16% of science teachers are creationists. That's a whopping 84% who are not. Atheism is the new religion. And its growing every day.

    Is Atheism growing in America? Nope. Is creationism being taught in more and more U.S schools? Yes. Did you read the article I posted above that described how many public schools in America are being forced to close and replaced with Church-owned private schools?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    hostis wrote:
    you have already said you are intolerant of bullshit. And you haven't defended being condescending or judgemental....

    Oh, I am so sorry. I didn't realize that I had to answer to every one of your lame criticisms.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited August 2012
    hostis wrote:
    you have already said you are intolerant of bullshit. And you haven't defended being condescending or judgemental....

    I asked you a question before relating to The Life of Brian. Did that movie offend you? Did you think it was wrong of people to find that movie amusing?

    Do you find this offensive and intolerant?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czBBKof7Yo
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Anyway, looks like I put a big cat in with the pigeons by talking about Christian fundamentalists in less than reverential tones.


    I wonder if there's a reason they're called fundamentalists?
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,984
    Closed for review.
    Falling down,...not staying down
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