Creationists Plan Another Museum

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    hostis wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I didn't say they shouldn't be allowed to create this museum.

    it's all good then. they can build this museum, you don't need to visit and the world continues to tumble...

    And if and when their power and influence spreads across all of America and they arrive at a point where they start to dictate policy issues, and the entire U.S education system is revamped to their liking, we can all scratch our heads and wonder when it all went wrong.
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    Byrnzie wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I didn't say they shouldn't be allowed to create this museum.

    it's all good then. they can build this museum, you don't need to visit and the world continues to tumble...

    And if and when their power and influence spreads across all of America and they arrive at a point where they start to dictate policy issues, and the entire U.S education system is revamped to their liking, we can all scratch our heads and wonder when it all went wrong.

    but how would it affect you if that happened anyway?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    hostis wrote:
    but how would it affect you if that happened anyway?

    How did Nazism effect anybody outside of Germany? Dangerous ideas have dangerous consequences. And If we feel can't ridicule them for fear of causing offence, then we're in big trouble. The separation of Church and state in the U.S is being slowly eroded. And wacky notions about the World are becoming a standard feature of many school curriculum's. What happens if these people manage to get into a position where they control the show? Will we just have to accept it when they decide that the End of Days is upon us and that the World needs to be destroyed?

    This thread is drawing attention to the fact that Creationism and fundamentalism are creeping into the U.S education system and beginning to gain footholds in American society. It has nothing to do with denigrating Christians as a whole. Not all Christians are fundamentalists who believe the World was created 6000 years ago.

    The difference between this thread and Aerial's thread that was locked the other day is that her thread was just an attack on Muslims in general, and on Obama in particular. It was an attempt to paint Obama as a lover of Muslims and someone who rejects Christianity - simply because some Muslims would be present at the DNC and a particular Catholic cleric wouldn't be. She then tried to pretend that this was proof that Muslim extremists were trying to take over America, without providing any evidence at all.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    why does this worrie you Byrnzie ? you and a few others have made it clear you don't believe in God and yet from time to time you post a story trying to dismiss God,if anybody is living in fear it's you man,why do you attack things you don't believe ? there must be some doubt in your statements or yourself...if you don't believe in God or creation why don't you just move on and stop aiming your attacks at believers ?
    NOBODY is trying to change your mind you are free to believe as you wish, you seem to be fine and dandy with removing cross's from public/government owned land,you seem to have no problem with the muslim temples being built but soon as someone wants to build a creation museum you lay on the floor and kick and scream...make up your mind man, do you or don't you believe and if not move on and stop looking for the fear sandwhich to try and feed everybody else.

    Godfather.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Godfather. wrote:
    why does this worrie you Byrnzie ? you and a few others have made it clear you don't believe in God and yet from time to time you post a story trying to dismiss God,if anybody is living in fear it's you man,why do you attack things you don't believe ? there must be some doubt in your statements or yourself...if you don't believe in God or creation why don't you just move on and stop aiming your attacks at believers ?
    NOBODY is trying to change your mind you are free to believe as you wish, you seem to be fine and dandy with removing cross's from public/government owned land,you seem to have no problem with the muslim temples being built but soon as someone wants to build a creation museum you lay on the floor and kick and scream...make up your mind man, do you or don't you believe and if not move on and stop looking for the fear sandwhich to try and feed everybody else.

    Godfather.

    So defensive.

    If a creationism museum was built in the U.K, or any other country I can think of, it would be treated with the ridicule it deserves. Yet in America you get all defensive about it.

    And there's no comparison with Muslims building temples. This thread is discussing religious extremism.

    People can build their fucking churches, Mosques, Synagogues, or temples, wherever they like. But when they start corrupting the education system, I have a problem with it. And so should you. Religious extremism is a dangerous thing, in case you don't know.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    why does this worrie you Byrnzie ? you and a few others have made it clear you don't believe in God and yet from time to time you post a story trying to dismiss God,if anybody is living in fear it's you man,why do you attack things you don't believe ? there must be some doubt in your statements or yourself...if you don't believe in God or creation why don't you just move on and stop aiming your attacks at believers ?
    NOBODY is trying to change your mind you are free to believe as you wish, you seem to be fine and dandy with removing cross's from public/government owned land,you seem to have no problem with the muslim temples being built but soon as someone wants to build a creation museum you lay on the floor and kick and scream...make up your mind man, do you or don't you believe and if not move on and stop looking for the fear sandwhich to try and feed everybody else.

    Godfather.

    So defensive.

    If a creationism museum was built in the U.K, or any other country I can think of, it would be treated with the ridicule it deserves. Yet in America you get all defensive about it.

    And there's no comparison with Muslims building temples. This thread is discussing religious extremism.

    People can build their fucking churches, Mosques, Synagogues, or temples, wherever they like. But when they start corrupting the education system, I have a problem with it. And so should you. Religious extremism is a dangerous thing, in case you don't know.


    here ya go man, this is just some interesting reading and I'm sure you will do everything you can to dismiss it in some way or another...that's your nature but have fun anyway. ;)

    Godfather.

    The following are 8 really good reasons why Christianity is true.....

    #1) The world around us reveals that God DOES exist. The following short videos were produced by an ex-atheist and ex-evolutionist who is a graduate of Yale Law School. These videos drive atheists and skeptics crazy, but for a more complete treatment of this topic, please read Strobel's excellent book entitled "The Case For A Creator":

    http://www.leestrobel.com/Creator.htm

    #2) The historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth:

    http://www.grantjeffrey.com/article/historicalev.htm

    #3) There is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead:

    http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2 ... -real.html

    #4) All of these things about Jesus were prophetically foretold by God in the Bible with specificity:

    http://www.xenos.org/teachings/topical/ ... aniel9.htm
    (Click "Watch" to view the presentation)

    and

    http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2 ... ianic.html

    #5) There is massive evidence that Jesus is doing miracles in our day:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... dead&hl=en

    #6) There are thousands of stories of Jesus appearing to people all over the globe:

    http://prorege-forum.com/messages/407.html

    and

    http://www.amightywind.com/fastfood/dre ... dreams.htm

    #7) Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass right in front of our eyes:

    http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2 ... cient.html

    #8) Credible witnesses have seen the afterlife and have come back and reported to us that it is precisely as the Bible describes:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... hell&hl=en

    and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ElnQUVkWsQ

    The truth is that the afterlife is very real, so make the right choice and give your life to Jesus Christ today:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... Back&hl=en

    If you have been persuaded by the evidence and you are interested in becoming a Christian, the following link is a place where you can learn more:

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1049/1049_01.asp
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    Byrnzie wrote:
    . Religious extremism is a dangerous thing, in case you don't know.

    so is intolerance...
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Godfather. wrote:
    here ya go man, this is just some interesting reading and I'm sure you will do everything you can to dismiss it in some way or another...that's your nature but have fun anyway. ;)

    Godfather.

    The following are 8 really good reasons why Christianity is true.....

    #1) The world around us reveals that God DOES exist. The following short videos were produced by an ex-atheist and ex-evolutionist who is a graduate of Yale Law School. These videos drive atheists and skeptics crazy, but for a more complete treatment of this topic, please read Strobel's excellent book entitled "The Case For A Creator":

    http://www.leestrobel.com/Creator.htm

    #2) The historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth:

    http://www.grantjeffrey.com/article/historicalev.htm

    #3) There is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead:

    http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2 ... -real.html

    #4) All of these things about Jesus were prophetically foretold by God in the Bible with specificity:

    http://www.xenos.org/teachings/topical/ ... aniel9.htm
    (Click "Watch" to view the presentation)

    and

    http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2 ... ianic.html

    #5) There is massive evidence that Jesus is doing miracles in our day:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... dead&hl=en

    #6) There are thousands of stories of Jesus appearing to people all over the globe:

    http://prorege-forum.com/messages/407.html

    and

    http://www.amightywind.com/fastfood/dre ... dreams.htm

    #7) Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass right in front of our eyes:

    http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2 ... cient.html

    #8) Credible witnesses have seen the afterlife and have come back and reported to us that it is precisely as the Bible describes:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... hell&hl=en

    and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ElnQUVkWsQ

    The truth is that the afterlife is very real, so make the right choice and give your life to Jesus Christ today:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... Back&hl=en

    If you have been persuaded by the evidence and you are interested in becoming a Christian, the following link is a place where you can learn more:

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1049/1049_01.asp


    Why do I feel like I've just entered the Twilight Zone? :wtf:
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    hostis wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    . Religious extremism is a dangerous thing, in case you don't know.

    so is intolerance...

    Who's intolerant? I said I'm not opposed to these people building their museum.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Godfather. wrote:
    here ya go man, this is just some interesting reading and I'm sure you will do everything you can to dismiss it in some way or another...that's your nature but have fun anyway. ;)

    Godfather.

    The following are 8 really good reasons why Christianity is true.....

    #1) The world around us reveals that God DOES exist. The following short videos were produced by an ex-atheist and ex-evolutionist who is a graduate of Yale Law School. These videos drive atheists and skeptics crazy, but for a more complete treatment of this topic, please read Strobel's excellent book entitled "The Case For A Creator":

    http://www.leestrobel.com/Creator.htm

    #2) The historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth:

    http://www.grantjeffrey.com/article/historicalev.htm

    #3) There is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead:

    http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2 ... -real.html

    #4) All of these things about Jesus were prophetically foretold by God in the Bible with specificity:

    http://www.xenos.org/teachings/topical/ ... aniel9.htm
    (Click "Watch" to view the presentation)

    and

    http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2 ... ianic.html

    #5) There is massive evidence that Jesus is doing miracles in our day:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... dead&hl=en

    #6) There are thousands of stories of Jesus appearing to people all over the globe:

    http://prorege-forum.com/messages/407.html

    and

    http://www.amightywind.com/fastfood/dre ... dreams.htm

    #7) Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass right in front of our eyes:

    http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2 ... cient.html

    #8) Credible witnesses have seen the afterlife and have come back and reported to us that it is precisely as the Bible describes:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... hell&hl=en

    and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ElnQUVkWsQ

    The truth is that the afterlife is very real, so make the right choice and give your life to Jesus Christ today:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... Back&hl=en

    If you have been persuaded by the evidence and you are interested in becoming a Christian, the following link is a place where you can learn more:

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1049/1049_01.asp

    Where did you get all those wacky links from Godfather? Have you been saving them up for a special occasion?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Byrnzie wrote:
    So what? Religious fundamentalists are dangerous, that's what. Americans love to rant and rave about Islamic fundamentalists trying to take over their country, but you get defensive when it comes to Christian fundamentalists who are actually trying to take over your country -
    As long as they are just building museums, I'm not too worried.

    As soon as a sect like the Presbyterians or Catholics declare other sects of Christianity as non-Christians and they start suicide bombing each other, then it's time to move to Canada.

    Plus ... it's Kentucky. Besides their college basketball team and their bourbon, they have little influence on the rest of the country. :geek:
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Who's intolerant? I said I'm not opposed to these people building their museum.

    intolerance and opposition are not the same.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Jason P wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    So what? Religious fundamentalists are dangerous, that's what. Americans love to rant and rave about Islamic fundamentalists trying to take over their country, but you get defensive when it comes to Christian fundamentalists who are actually trying to take over your country -
    As long as they are just building museums, I'm not too worried.

    As soon as a sect like the Presbyterians or Catholics declare other sects of Christianity as non-Christians and they start suicide bombing each other, then it's time to move to Canada.

    Plus ... it's Kentucky. Besides their college basketball team and their bourbon, they have little influence on the rest of the country. :geek:

    They'd probably attack the Jack Daniels distillery before they started attacking other sects.

    I imagine they'd have a fight on their hands then. 8-)
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    hostis wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Who's intolerant? I said I'm not opposed to these people building their museum.

    intolerance and opposition are not the same.

    Another cute soundbite. What's intolerant about anything I've said here in this thread?

    See if you can answer me with more than 5 words.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    AMY GOODMAN: And what are the corporations that are part of this?

    CHRIS HEDGES: Well, DeVos, a guy who founded Amway; Target; Sam’s Club. You know, they bring in — a lot of these corporations like Wal-Mart and Sam’s Club and others bring in these sort of dominionist or evangelical ministers into the plants as a way to mollify workers. Subscribing to this belief system is essentially about disempowerment.

    That's right, he said 'Target'. Maybe Ed Vedd needs to reconsider who he hob-knobs with.


    Ok, not being a smartass...he said wal-mart and sam's club bring ministers into "the plants". Did he just misspeak and mean stores?
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    AMY GOODMAN: And what are the corporations that are part of this?

    CHRIS HEDGES: Well, DeVos, a guy who founded Amway; Target; Sam’s Club. You know, they bring in — a lot of these corporations like Wal-Mart and Sam’s Club and others bring in these sort of dominionist or evangelical ministers into the plants as a way to mollify workers. Subscribing to this belief system is essentially about disempowerment.

    That's right, he said 'Target'. Maybe Ed Vedd needs to reconsider who he hob-knobs with.


    Ok, not being a smartass...he said wal-mart and sam's club bring ministers into "the plants". Did he just misspeak and mean stores?

    Probably. Unless he's referring to the warehouses that supply these stores.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    Byrnzie wrote:

    Probably. Unless he's referring to the warehouses that supply these stores.

    Yeah, but wal-mart doesn't make the stuff. And I know that none of those factories are going to let wal-mart bring in a minister or anything else. Perhaps referring to whatever contract manufacturer is making the private label merchandise, but I highly doubt that.

    I have a feeling this point is being overblown by this guy, but not sure.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    On another note: they have billboards in Indianapolis with Dinosaurs on them as ads for the museum in Northern Kentucky. It was a sweet billboard and I imagine it gets kids to want to go....to see dinosaurs of course.

    I'm really not sure who goes to this museum. I actually thought about it at one time, just to see what they hell they were doing. Then I quickly lost interest.

    Really if they can get people to come it is a ridiculously good marketing tool for them and their beliefs.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    "I don't hate these people, I just find them to be ridiculous."

    "I'll keep laughing at them"

    Your words.... not mine. Looks fairly intolerant to me - to find someone else's personal views ridiculous? to laugh at them?. If you dont feel that the above appears intolerant then maybe you should express yourself a little more clearly. There you go, more than 5 words.

    Peace. Out.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    hostis wrote:
    "I don't hate these people, I just find them to be ridiculous."

    "I'll keep laughing at them"

    Your words.... not mine. Looks fairly intolerant to me - to find someone else's personal views ridiculous? to laugh at them?. If you dont feel that the above appears intolerant then maybe you should express yourself a little more clearly. There you go, more than 5 words.

    Peace. Out.

    Laughter is intolerant now is it? What do you think of the Westboro Baptist Church? Would it be intolerant of me to laugh at them too?
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