*** Katowice Fanviews 13/6/07

BugTomek wrote:

First you write that bad things happening in a front row is a normal thing, then you write that "polish fans are rude and violent" is a stereotype - so please decide: is it always that hard in the first row or I was just unlucky?

"bad things happening in a front row is a regular thing" SO = when you write <<that "polish fans are rude and violent" >> it is a stereotype

still doesn't make sense?

And didn't Torwar 1996 or Katowice 1st wasn't similiar in terms of ppl' behaviour? If I was so unlucky why many other people who were on this show says the same thing? If Poles are not very different from any other nation why this sort of things didn't happen to me in Lisbon, Barcelona, Milan, Torino or Berlin?

they were, since: "bad things happening in a front row is a regular thing"

The discussion is quite confusing... Seems like you don't understand each other. And I just wanted to add that BugTomek is a Pole.

Generally speaking - I think that Poles are more psyched when it comes to a rock shows, and a lot of them (us) think that pushing and moshing is the best way to have fun on a concert. Everybody can ask themselves if it's good or bad. The fact is that was my first show when I asked the security guys to get me out of the pit. And I was in the first row, which usually is quite safe as you have easier access to water, more air, etc. I could proably resist the pushing, the main problem was the bodies flying over my head. Last time I saw something like this was... Well, Pistoia was similar, but only for the first few songs. I think the last show I've been, with exactly intense mosh pit, was Katowice 2000 (the first night). And I've been of a few rock shows in Poland since then (White Stripes, Prodigy, few more)... Maybe it's only about PJ fans? I don't know. For sure I will go to the seatings next time the band will visit us. Unless they will come back to Silesian Stadium - then I won't go at all :P

P.S. A small sector near the stage could save the day... The lack of this was a huge mistake of the organisers.

Why, oh why it was more comfy at other shows? Could be hundred of reasons, the most important is standard statistics - if something bad happens to you once - it's an accident. If it would happen frequently - it would be either your reeeally bad luck or statistically normal behavior. I was at the show, had a backpack with me (couldn't leave it anywhere), I stood somewhere in the first 1/3 of the crowd. I was pushed (mostly by foreigners), people where going in all directions around me. The most rude people where some British, without their shirts on, almost running through the crowd, and stoned/drunk. But I know that not every British person is like that .
And yes - if you going at the rail, you need to know that a rock concert is not a theater. It is not comfy. NEVER. It's not about manners. Physics would do as an explanation.
As for the concert - It was my first PJ, it was great. I had to travel 10 hours (no sleep), wait 5, than travel 12 home (no sleep, totally squashed). It was worth it - the emotions are unforgettable. I'm sorry for everyone who doesn't feel the same.
Sure, when I look at setlists, Chorzow's is one of the shortest. Something was wrong, I think it's not curfew, and that the PJ's management is to blame (instead of flying to Venice, they could've stay in Krakow/Katowice).
BTW - have a look at an average rock show (no band in particular) from US (video) and Europe/Polish - I don't know about you, but most of US shows seem like people came to the show only to see and listen, not to feel. The people barely clasp, "sing/scream", jump, or whatever other sign of feedback.
If the person on the stage jumps, clasps or whatever, why can't/shouldn't I ?

Thebudweiserstuntman wrote:

Queued for 3 hours for tickets (one person in the booth!!) no real order, people shoving to the front. Then no wrist bands! Or even a reserved 10 area at the front. Fair enough its a big venue etc but whats the point of 10club other than first shout on tickets? (Especially when u could get tickets on the day!!)

Yea.. I thought 10c members will get some better spots...

I got regular ticket bought from distributor... Payed $40 - b4 the concert I sold it for $28, added $21,5 and bought 10c ticket for $50..

In result I payed much more and gained nothing.. Pff..

einatshaul wrote:

I´m surprised I survived the show with no broken ribs

same here...although it's still aching a little where mine were pushed into the barrier for very long hours!

mole1985 wrote:

Still a great show, better then wembley i thought.

better show than wembley????? you mean set or performance, or both????

not a chance

mole1985 wrote:

set and length was better at wembley but crowd and performance goes to Katowice. BOTH great but Katowice was better overall.

everyboy is entitled to their own opinion, but your WRONG

hahaha

crowd better at katowice?? better than a ten club floor, i dont believe what im reading here, tsk you kids!!!

cropdustress wrote:

You have gotta be kidding me!!! :eek:

Wembley beats Poland in a second. And Vienna. Munich for me was wow, but Wembley blew me away!
Katowice was an odd gig.

WOOOH go cropdustress, this young chap lives round the corner from me and needs bringing into line, i think its his raging hormones making him think all crazily!!

Super Vedder wrote:

WOOOH go cropdustress, this young chap lives round the corner from me and needs bringing into line, i think its his raging hormones making him think all crazily!!

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