Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

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  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    Well I slept with my sliders open last night so I could enjoy the breeze...and they're often open so my cats can bird and squirrel watch; we've already established that not only are my car doors frequently unlocked, they are sometimes left wide open (thanks Zoso :wave: :lol: ) so that proves what? That I should have a gun/not have a gun? That I cant' or shouldn't feel safe without a gun? That I'm more logical/less logical than someone that has one? I'm lost on the logic here. I think the original point was that he said he doesn't want to live his life in fear and I don't think either of us does. There may be a *touch* of ADHD going on though ;)

    I think he's saying that by locking your doors you can't claim you are not living in fear, otherwise, why would you lock them?

    the difference being, DS, is that locking your doors has no potential to harm anyone. Oh, and stop using the car anology. you are free to use it again if someone drives their vehicle into a shopping mall with the express intent of mowing people down 60 times in one year.
    Ahhh ok. Well too much ADHD in my house for that example to apply. I'd feel less safe with a gun in my house, given that's stats on gun accidents, etc.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Another question (can't help myself): if it is shown that this 'thug piece of shit' has a mental illness... would you have a change of heart towards him?
    What kind of mental illness...
    was he depressed?
    was he delusional?
    does he have a mental capacity challenge?

    I would say 2 out of 3 there I would, as far as classic depression I would think that would not be
    sufficient explanation of his actions, in my opinion.

    I think instead though he just doesn't value that woman's life.
    There was no reason to shoot her as he was getting away
    I think it was a case of just plain cold blooded heartlessness.

    Hope they catch the guy do an evaluation and get the jury ready,
    I hope life in prison no chance for release.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Zoso wrote:
    I still think buying a gun is living in fear and a very irrational thing to do when gun accidents occur etc. Sure if this person had a gun that was tragically gunned down MAY have saved her life but it may have not also.
    Would you like to know how many gun owners I know and have known personally
    in my 56 years?
    More people that do than that don't for sure.
    Do you know how many children collectively they have?

    Never not once were any of these people or their children a victim of a gun accident ...
    zip none never ever
    why?
    because they are responsible people with a plan.

    We have an element in our society that get their guns on the street illegally
    then keep them on the kitchen table while doing their Jack shots
    on a Saturday evening. Every Sunday morning their are numerous shootings
    because someone was stupid and thoughtless.

    But nothing is said about the countless thoughtful who own guns responsibly,
    they don't make the news you see.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    chadwick wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Given minimal restrictions on access to weapons and the proliferation of guns in your country... I'm afraid you're right, Pandora. If you can't beat 'em... then you may as well join them! I'm serious when I say this. If your country refuses to address the problem and simply accepts some of these events as an unfortunate spinoff for the right you wish to maintain, then get yourself armed and ready!

    Is there a better solution than this though?

    Another question (can't help myself): if it is shown that this 'thug piece of shit' has a mental illness... would you have a change of heart towards him?
    fantastic question
    be sure to read my even better answer :fp:
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    Cosmo wrote:
    If you are planning on having the military or the police storming your house, you are most likely the problem... right? You can easily fend off an intruder with a 9mm pistol. Unless there is an army of intruders storing your gates, you don't need 2,000 rounds of ammo.
    ...
    Well, except in the case of the Zombie Apocalypse.

    The family at Ruby Ridge unjustly had militarized police storm their ranch so I don't think we should be making assumptions that if the military or police are storming your house you are the problem. Many times, those in power have abused that power and unjustly, or even incorrectly, stormed someone's house.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    g under p wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Given minimal restrictions on access to weapons and the proliferation of guns in your country... I'm afraid you're right, Pandora. If you can't beat 'em... then you may as well join them! I'm serious when I say this. If your country refuses to address the problem and simply accepts some of these events as an unfortunate spinoff for the right you wish to maintain, then get yourself armed and ready!

    Is there a better solution than this though?

    Another question (can't help myself): if it is shown that this 'thug piece of shit' has a mental illness... would you have a change of heart towards him?
    fantastic question

    Yes, will there be ANY empathy if that criminal is deemed to have a mental illness even though at the moment he's considered by her a *thug piece of shit*?

    peace

    Peace
    By now I would think you guys would know my consistency and stop questioning it..

    It is quite clear the Aurora shooter is mentally ill, numerous experts agree and he was
    being treated for schizophrenia :fp:
    his crime also speaks volumes of his mental state as do the witnesses who have said
    he looked at the walls and ceiling dazed as he used his weapon.

    Now here is your everyday thug who broke into a house in an upscale neighborhood
    to steal another's valuables.
    History tells us much about these criminals, common sense even more
    if people choose to use it.

    Was he on drugs? or otherwise impaired?
    This could be a likely scenario because he certainly did not need
    to make the decision to shoot.
    His life was not endanger, he was safe so perhaps if he is not just a piece of shit
    perhaps he is a victim of drug addiction.

    Again most of those posters who have replied expressed no sadness
    or anger for this tragedy.
    I wonder why?

    More interested in my empathy or lack there of towards the criminal...
    hmmmm.... :wtf:
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Pandora,

    Come on now. I will assume I am one of those posters you are referring to. It should come as no surprise that I think death is too good for the prick in the scenario you presented. Schizophrenic, drunk, high, stupid, or whatever his deal was- he's worthless. As you said, a 'thug piece of shit'. Although unexpressed in my question to you, I have a ton of empathy for any victim... and zero for any asshole who commits a violent crime. This will never change. Never. Once crossing the line and deliberately injuring or killing someone... go sleep with the worms.

    What came as a surprise was your rather heightened insensitivity towards the thug. From afar, it at least appears that you are able to: review a crime scene, interpret spotty relevant history, and then come up with a clinical diagnosis for the subject. Afterwards, you seem fit to render your conclusion based on what your 'hunch' is telling you.

    It's hard to do what you do- hate some and feel compassion for others based on a 'feel' you get for the criminal and their particular state of being. But, at least for the moment, let's rejoice in our shared enthusiasm for this particular prick to experience difficult times for his cold and senseless act. We have not been on common ground very often.
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  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    pandora wrote:
    By now I would think you guys would know my consistency and stop questioning it..

    It is quite clear the Aurora shooter is mentally ill, numerous experts agree and he was
    being treated for schizophrenia :fp:
    his crime also speaks volumes of his mental state as do the witnesses who have said
    he looked at the walls and ceiling dazed as he used his weapon.

    Now here is your everyday thug who broke into a house in an upscale neighborhood
    to steal another's valuables.
    History tells us much about these criminals, common sense even more
    if people choose to use it.

    Was he on drugs? or otherwise impaired?
    This could be a likely scenario because he certainly did not need
    to make the decision to shoot.
    His life was not endanger, he was safe so perhaps if he is not just a piece of shit
    perhaps he is a victim of drug addiction.

    Again most of those posters who have replied expressed no sadness
    or anger for this tragedy.
    I wonder why?

    More interested in my empathy or lack there of towards the criminal...
    hmmmm.... :wtf:
    The psychiatrist in the Aurora case hasn't released any information yet due to a gag order. It's still unclear in what capacity she had contact with the shooter and I don't think a diagnosis has been confirmed yet. His crime is not all that different from what happened at Columbine. Eric Harris is presumed to have been a sociopath, Dylan Klebold most likely had depression according to reviews of his journal. Someone not impaired with a severe mental illness apparently can be quite capable of committing an act like this.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    chadwick wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Given minimal restrictions on access to weapons and the proliferation of guns in your country... I'm afraid you're right, Pandora. If you can't beat 'em... then you may as well join them! I'm serious when I say this. If your country refuses to address the problem and simply accepts some of these events as an unfortunate spinoff for the right you wish to maintain, then get yourself armed and ready!

    Is there a better solution than this though?

    Another question (can't help myself): if it is shown that this 'thug piece of shit' has a mental illness... would you have a change of heart towards him?
    fantastic question

    pandora wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    Yes, will there be ANY empathy if that criminal is deemed to have a mental illness even though at the moment he's considered by her a *thug piece of shit*?

    peace

    Peace
    By now I would think you guys would know my consistency and stop questioning it..

    It is quite clear the Aurora shooter is mentally ill, numerous experts agree and he was
    being treated for schizophrenia :fp:
    his crime also speaks volumes of his mental state as do the witnesses who have said
    he looked at the walls and ceiling dazed as he used his weapon.

    Now here is your everyday thug who broke into a house in an upscale neighborhood
    to steal another's valuables.
    History tells us much about these criminals, common sense even more
    if people choose to use it.

    Was he on drugs? or otherwise impaired?
    This could be a likely scenario because he certainly did not need
    to make the decision to shoot.
    His life was not endanger, he was safe so perhaps if he is not just a piece of shit
    perhaps he is a victim of drug addiction.

    Again most of those posters who have replied expressed no sadness
    or anger for this tragedy.
    I wonder why?

    More interested in my empathy or lack there of towards the criminal...
    hmmmm.... :wtf:

    Since you think so, get over yourself I'll question you all I want you don't have to answer.

    With that analysis of that particular crime you NEED go work with detectives Columbo or Banacek.

    250px-ColumboDVD3.jpg

    banacek-show.jpg

    Peace
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    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    DS1119 wrote:
    kenny olav wrote:
    Some examples of shootings that happen every day in America that don't get talked about...

    Three die, seven hurt in Hub gunfire
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/0 ... aign=sm_tw

    Ten people were shot, three of them killed, Sunday in a day of violence in Boston that shook neighborhoods in Dorchester and Roslindale and left police searching for answers.

    Four females were shot Sunday night while they sat in a vehicle parked on Harlem Street. Two of the victims died at the scene, said Cheryl Fiandaca, spokeswoman for the Boston Police Department. A third was in serious condition and the fourth was shot in the leg, a wound not believed to be life-threatening.

    Early Sunday in Roslindale, a man in his 30s was killed and three other men were injured in a shooting, according to Boston police.

    Fiandaca also said that two more people were shot Sunday night in the area of 156 Columbia Road. Their injuries were not life-threatening. The two Dorchester shootings Sunday night were not connected, she said.


    ....


    How would any of these deaths and injuries happened without guns?


    Something tells me those were illegally obtained weapons which is a whole separate issue. :? How many people were killed in Boston yesterday by legally obtained cars vs. legally obtained weapons? :lol:
    Pretty much all of the illegal weapons on the streets started out as legally obtained weapons.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    g under p wrote:

    Since you think so, get over yourself I'll question you all I want you don't have to answer.

    With that analysis of that particular crime you NEED go work with detectives Columbo or Banacek.

    250px-ColumboDVD3.jpg



    Peace
    Some look foolish when they do ;) and I will always answer but you know that..

    I adore Columbo ... had a crush growing up, cute as a bugs ear :D

    he's always right huh?
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    edited August 2012
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Pandora,

    Come on now. I will assume I am one of those posters you are referring to. It should come as no surprise that I think death is too good for the prick in the scenario you presented. Schizophrenic, drunk, high, stupid, or whatever his deal was- he's worthless. As you said, a 'thug piece of shit'. Although unexpressed in my question to you, I have a ton of empathy for any victim... and zero for any asshole who commits a violent crime. This will never change. Never. Once crossing the line and deliberately injuring or killing someone... go sleep with the worms.

    What came as a surprise was your rather heightened insensitivity towards the thug. From afar, it at least appears that you are able to: review a crime scene, interpret spotty relevant history, and then come up with a clinical diagnosis for the subject. Afterwards, you seem fit to render your conclusion based on what your 'hunch' is telling you.

    It's hard to do what you do- hate some and feel compassion for others based on a 'feel' you get for the criminal and their particular state of being. But, at least for the moment, let's rejoice in our shared enthusiasm for this particular prick to experience difficult times for his cold and senseless act. We have not been on common ground very often.

    I think perhaps you have not known me long here, I am consistent with empathy for victims.
    I have no sensitivity when motive is to prey upon another human being for gain, for thrill,
    for sexual fulfillment etc. Who could?

    Mental illness is another matter completely most especially thought disorder like schizophrenia.
    These people are victims also.

    It is common sense not a hunch, though yes, I rely heavily on intuition in my life.
    Having lived well over two thirds now, I have found it to be a guiding voice.

    I was clearly, am clearly, not alone in my view of James Holmes either.
    What I am most afraid of he will fry even though he is not responsible.
    I would like to see him, as in the Gifford shooting, get forced treatment then life in prison
    for his crime that was committed while in a delusional state, if this is found to be the case.

    As far as Columbine, I believe at least one of the shooters was terribly bullied and motive was
    revenge... to make others pay for their thoughtless behavior that ruined his life.
    Could this be mental illness? ... it very well could be.
    I have not studied that case but remember clearly because my kids were of that age.
    It could have been them, both victim and shooter. As a parent all I had was understanding
    and compassion for all in that tragedy.
    Post edited by pandora on
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    comebackgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    By now I would think you guys would know my consistency and stop questioning it..

    It is quite clear the Aurora shooter is mentally ill, numerous experts agree and he was
    being treated for schizophrenia :fp:
    his crime also speaks volumes of his mental state as do the witnesses who have said
    he looked at the walls and ceiling dazed as he used his weapon.

    Now here is your everyday thug who broke into a house in an upscale neighborhood
    to steal another's valuables.
    History tells us much about these criminals, common sense even more
    if people choose to use it.

    Was he on drugs? or otherwise impaired?
    This could be a likely scenario because he certainly did not need
    to make the decision to shoot.
    His life was not endanger, he was safe so perhaps if he is not just a piece of shit
    perhaps he is a victim of drug addiction.

    Again most of those posters who have replied expressed no sadness
    or anger for this tragedy.
    I wonder why?

    More interested in my empathy or lack there of towards the criminal...
    hmmmm.... :wtf:
    The psychiatrist in the Aurora case hasn't released any information yet due to a gag order. It's still unclear in what capacity she had contact with the shooter and I don't think a diagnosis has been confirmed yet. His crime is not all that different from what happened at Columbine. Eric Harris is presumed to have been a sociopath, Dylan Klebold most likely had depression according to reviews of his journal. Someone not impaired with a severe mental illness apparently can be quite capable of committing an act like this.
    You being the expert,
    I'm sure if you ever draw a conclusion, as you did in the case of someone here ;)
    you might think perhaps the sociopath was the leader,
    the planner, the depressed boy just a follower or maybe the truth lies here

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... yths_N.htm

    I have read some different accounts but I think mental illness was a driving force personally
    in the Columbine massacre.

    And no I don't think it was in the case of the thug who just took a beautiful life
    here in my neighboring town. I think it was for personal gain.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    pandora wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Pandora,

    Come on now. I will assume I am one of those posters you are referring to. It should come as no surprise that I think death is too good for the prick in the scenario you presented. Schizophrenic, drunk, high, stupid, or whatever his deal was- he's worthless. As you said, a 'thug piece of shit'. Although unexpressed in my question to you, I have a ton of empathy for any victim... and zero for any asshole who commits a violent crime. This will never change. Never. Once crossing the line and deliberately injuring or killing someone... go sleep with the worms.

    What came as a surprise was your rather heightened insensitivity towards the thug. From afar, it at least appears that you are able to: review a crime scene, interpret spotty relevant history, and then come up with a clinical diagnosis for the subject. Afterwards, you seem fit to render your conclusion based on what your 'hunch' is telling you.

    It's hard to do what you do- hate some and feel compassion for others based on a 'feel' you get for the criminal and their particular state of being. But, at least for the moment, let's rejoice in our shared enthusiasm for this particular prick to experience difficult times for his cold and senseless act. We have not been on common ground very often.

    I think perhaps you have not known me long here, I am consistent with empathy for victims.
    I have no sensitivity when motive is to prey upon another human being for gain, for thrill,
    for sexual fulfillment etc. Who could?

    Mental illness is another matter completely most especially thought disorder like schizophrenia.
    These people are victims also.

    It is common sense not a hunch, though yes, I rely heavily on intuition in my life.
    Having lived well over half now I have found it to be a guiding voice.

    I was clearly, am clearly, not alone in my view of James Holmes either.
    What I am most afraid of he will fry even though he is not responsible.
    I would like to see him, as in the Gifford shooting, get forced treatment then life in prison
    for his crime that was committed while in a delusional state, if this is found to be the case.

    As far as Columbine, I believe at least one of the shooters was terribly bullied and motive was
    revenge... to make others pay for their thoughtless behavior that ruined his life.
    Could this be mental illness? ... it very well could be.
    I have not studied that case but remember clearly because my kids were of that age.
    It could have been them, both victim and shooter. As a parent all I had was understanding
    and compassion for all in that tragedy.

    I just expressed that it came somewhat of a surprise to me that you spoke so strongly in the post where you presented the case. I don't know you very well... but if you remember correctly... I jumped to your defence a few months back on this very forum. There is nothing personal between you and I- I don't subscribe to your way of thinking as it relates to several of the topics within this particular thread- no big deal... it's allowed.

    You are clearly 'in the minority' when it comes to sympathizing with James Holmes. I would speculate that the numbers are overwhelmingly in favour of a really quick trial and execution. Regardless, you are welcome to your position and we don't need to revisit this topic in too much depth- we've done that already ad nauseum.

    I have studied Columbine (followed the case when it happened... read the book, Columbine, which was excellent). Those boys were 'outcasts' for lack of better word, but that doesn't excuse their actions. It is the shits that kids cannot treat each other more fairly, but I have never felt any pity for Eric and Dylan. Kids are cruel, school is cruel, life is cruel... but that doesn't give someone a license to go wreak havoc on innocents as an expression of their rage. If anything, target your specific adversaries... not helpless girls hiding in a library, praying to their lord as they stare down the barrel. No... those boys are where they need to be.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    pandora wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    By now I would think you guys would know my consistency and stop questioning it..

    It is quite clear the Aurora shooter is mentally ill, numerous experts agree and he was
    being treated for schizophrenia :fp:
    his crime also speaks volumes of his mental state as do the witnesses who have said
    he looked at the walls and ceiling dazed as he used his weapon.

    Now here is your everyday thug who broke into a house in an upscale neighborhood
    to steal another's valuables.
    History tells us much about these criminals, common sense even more
    if people choose to use it.

    Was he on drugs? or otherwise impaired?
    This could be a likely scenario because he certainly did not need
    to make the decision to shoot.
    His life was not endanger, he was safe so perhaps if he is not just a piece of shit
    perhaps he is a victim of drug addiction.

    Again most of those posters who have replied expressed no sadness
    or anger for this tragedy.
    I wonder why?

    More interested in my empathy or lack there of towards the criminal...
    hmmmm.... :wtf:
    The psychiatrist in the Aurora case hasn't released any information yet due to a gag order. It's still unclear in what capacity she had contact with the shooter and I don't think a diagnosis has been confirmed yet. His crime is not all that different from what happened at Columbine. Eric Harris is presumed to have been a sociopath, Dylan Klebold most likely had depression according to reviews of his journal. Someone not impaired with a severe mental illness apparently can be quite capable of committing an act like this.
    You being the expert,
    I'm sure if you ever draw a conclusion, as you did in the case of someone here ;)
    you might think perhaps the sociopath was the leader,
    the planner, the depressed boy just a follower or maybe the truth lies here

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... yths_N.htm

    I have read some different accounts but I think mental illness was a driving force personally
    in the Columbine massacre.

    And no I don't think it was in the case of the thug who just took a beautiful life
    here in my neighboring town. I think it was for personal gain.
    Having not met or evaluated him, I cannot be an expert on his mental health. The experts who have met with him and who may have evaluated him have not released information, so none of that has been confirmed at this point and shouldn't be discussed as fact.

    Yeah, there have been differing assessments of what may have happened in the Columbine case. Unfortunately we don't have any clear answers so it's all speculation about what may have happened, who may have been the leader, etc. My point is that crimes like this happen and there does not have to be a psychotic disorder at play; sometimes a depressive disorder may be the only sort of mental illness involved
    pandora wrote:
    What kind of mental illness...
    was he depressed?
    was he delusional?
    does he have a mental capacity challenge?

    I would say 2 out of 3 there I would, as far as classic depression I would think that would not be
    sufficient explanation of his actions, in my opinion.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    g under p wrote:

    250px-ColumboDVD3.jpg

    Peace

    Yeah and.... oh, just one more thing... :lol:

    I love that guy!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    ok now i wanna buy a gun and put this thread out of it's misery :crazy: :problem: :-P
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    norm wrote:
    ok now i wanna buy a gun and put this thread out of it's misery :crazy: :problem: :-P

    Yup.

    I hear ya.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    edited August 2012
    brianlux wrote:
    g under p wrote:

    250px-ColumboDVD3.jpg

    Peace

    Yeah and.... oh, just one more thing... :lol:

    I love that guy!

    That was the MOST irratating thing about him and heart pounding cause it usually led to that person being caught. Loved the show, remember how sloppy Columbo was i wonder if that led to the neatness of the crime solver Monk?

    Peace
    Post edited by g under p on
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    norm wrote:
    ok now i wanna buy a gun and put this thread out of it's misery :crazy: :problem: :-P
    :lol: It has become pretty ridiculous at this point!
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