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  • i was called up, had to sit in the courthouse for hours but was never chosen. ive always wondered about my situation. i have for years now given money to the mumia case, to the peltier case, to the wm3 case and have been outspoken about my belief the justice system as a whole is racist and corrupt and needs to be brought down at the very least. I'd have a hell of a time serving because I dont believe the system can give people a fair trial. given my beliefs, and the fact that i dont have a few problems with the justice system, but have HUGE MAJOR problems with the entire way of it, would I have to serve?

    I personally had a speech all planned out that i seriously was ready to give. "do you feel there is any reason you cant serve on this jury?". Well yes officer actually there is, I believe the system is corrupt, that cops are racist thugs, and that the justice system is flat out racist and irredeemable.

    haha
  • RKCNDY
    RKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    i was called up, had to sit in the courthouse for hours but was never chosen. ive always wondered about my situation. i have for years now given money to the mumia case, to the peltier case, to the wm3 case and have been outspoken about my belief the justice system as a whole is racist and corrupt and needs to be brought down at the very least. I'd have a hell of a time serving because I dont believe the system can give people a fair trial. given my beliefs, and the fact that i dont have a few problems with the justice system, but have HUGE MAJOR problems with the entire way of it, would I have to serve?

    I personally had a speech all planned out that i seriously was ready to give. "do you feel there is any reason you cant serve on this jury?". Well yes officer actually there is, I believe the system is corrupt, that cops are racist thugs, and that the justice system is flat out racist and irredeemable.

    haha

    you'd probably blacklist yourself if you told them that! :lol::lol::lol:
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  • a system that can let mumia, peltier, and the wm3 rot for decades in prison, is not one i even care to deal with at all.
  • pjfan31
    pjfan31 Posts: 7,335
    i was called up, had to sit in the courthouse for hours but was never chosen. ive always wondered about my situation. i have for years now given money to the mumia case, to the peltier case, to the wm3 case and have been outspoken about my belief the justice system as a whole is racist and corrupt and needs to be brought down at the very least. I'd have a hell of a time serving because I dont believe the system can give people a fair trial. given my beliefs, and the fact that i dont have a few problems with the justice system, but have HUGE MAJOR problems with the entire way of it, would I have to serve?

    I personally had a speech all planned out that i seriously was ready to give. "do you feel there is any reason you cant serve on this jury?". Well yes officer actually there is, I believe the system is corrupt, that cops are racist thugs, and that the justice system is flat out racist and irredeemable.

    haha


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  • RKCNDY
    RKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    a system that can let mumia, peltier, and the wm3 rot for decades in prison, is not one i even care to deal with at all.

    so you would not serve on the jury, even if you knew you could be that 'one juror' that was holding up a unanimous vote to send completely innocent people to death row?
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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    g under p wrote:
    BTW if you are a felon can even serve on jury duty?

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    I believe it depends on which state you live in. But being eligible and being selected are 2 different things. I'd think it would depend on if it were a civil or criminal case, what your offense was and how long ago it happened.
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  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    i was called up, had to sit in the courthouse for hours but was never chosen. ive always wondered about my situation. i have for years now given money to the mumia case, to the peltier case, to the wm3 case and have been outspoken about my belief the justice system as a whole is racist and corrupt and needs to be brought down at the very least. I'd have a hell of a time serving because I dont believe the system can give people a fair trial. given my beliefs, and the fact that i dont have a few problems with the justice system, but have HUGE MAJOR problems with the entire way of it, would I have to serve?

    I personally had a speech all planned out that i seriously was ready to give. "do you feel there is any reason you cant serve on this jury?". Well yes officer actually there is, I believe the system is corrupt, that cops are racist thugs, and that the justice system is flat out racist and irredeemable.

    haha

    The justice system isn't racist. The system dosent discriminate, the people that run the system do. I just thought there was a difference.
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  • I'm 26 and I've served once. It was a one day process and I got paid $50. Not too bad, since I was a college student with nothing else going on.
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  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,228
    I've been summoned twice by the county court from where I grew up. However, I was attending college an hour away so I was able to get an exemption both times. Can't say that I didn't mind not having to drive the hour, miss class in the process, and probably not get picked...
  • Franny
    Franny Posts: 2,054
    Never been called up, but if I ever do it won't take them long to get rid of me. I have diploma of justice administration and partially completed B. Criminology and criminal justice....they may just think I will be biased.
  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,521
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    (CBS) Sal Esposito is being called for jury duty in East Boston. The only problem is that Sal Esposito is a cat.

    That's the catchy lede to a story that's popping up all over the web, being posted by local news outlets and big newspapers worldwide. The only problem is it's a year old.

    Lives aren't going to be lost because a water-cooler animal story got recycled a year later by editors who simply wanted a piece of the pie as a (seemingly current) story started going viral on Facebook and elsewhere.

    But the story of Sal the cat should serve as a reminder of how filled with misinformation our media echo chamber has become.

    Sal's story was first posted by WHDH, an NBC affiliate in Boston, on Jan. 7, 2010. Sal's owners Guy and Anna Esposito had listed him on the "pets" section of a state census form. Some time later, Sal got a jury summons in the mail.

    As WHDH reporter Janet Wu explained in the original newscast, Anna filed for Sal's disqualification of service. But since Sal isn't too old, ill, or a convicted felon, "She chose the most obvious reason - Sal can't speak English."

    The jury commissioner was unmoved by the common jury duty dodge and denied the request. When the story aired, Anna had acquired a letter from Sal's vet stating that he's a cat, but, at least at the time, Sal was still under orders to appear in court March 23 - meaning March 23, 2010.

    Flash forward 2011. On Jan. 13, the Huffington Post appears to be the first news source to publish a story about how "Boston resident Sal Esposito recently got called in for jury duty," complete with the details about the jury commissioner denying Sal's exemption and how he's still expected to show up March 23. Along with a few fringe news outlets, Canada's CBC also picks up on the story, reporting it as new.

    Jan. 14: A Fox affiliate in Boston, the American Bar Association's online Journal, the Toronto Star.

    Monday, Jan. 17: The U.K.'s Daily Mail, and the New York Daily News, two national papers that score big traffic with a mix of serious, salacious and absurd stories.

    Keep in mind that many of these stories link back to the original WHDH report, with the January, 2010 date there for all to see. But many of them also link to one another. On Tuesday, a Washington Post blog picks up on it, and cites the current Fox affiliate report from Boston. Meanwhile a Fox affiliate in Cleveland links back to the Daily News. NPR's "Morning Edition" also picked up the story Tuesday, without attribution.

    Readers like these quirky stories - and so do I. But there's a sloppiness attendant the rush to roll them out. News organizations point to one another as the source and move on, often without asking important questions. There's a reason we call the transmission phenomenon "viral." Once the story is out there, it's hard to contain.

    (In Sal's case, there's no reason to believe that the original story isn't genuine.)

    Although "Sal-gate" is inconsequential, the same dynamic has played out in more serious contexts. Numerous outlets, citing one another, passed on an erroneous report that Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was killed Jan. 8. Giffords' own husband was led to believe that she was dead.

    My organization is guilty of it, too. We do rewrites and we make mistakes. I noticed the Sal the cat date discrepancy as I was setting about cobbling together our own version of a quick rewrite.

    But in chasing trends, it's easy to lose sight of our most important goal - developing and maintaining trust among our audiences. Cite-and-rewrite often delivers little of value to those audiences and reporting should remain the cornerstone of the daily avalanche of content we produce.

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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,521
    just got a letter in the mail for jury duty at the end of Aug. :|
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  • LloydXmas
    LloydXmas Posts: 7,539
    just got a letter in the mail for jury duty at the end of Aug. :|
    skip it
  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,521
    LloydXmas wrote:
    just got a letter in the mail for jury duty at the end of Aug. :|
    skip it

    :lol: i don't know least i'll get off work.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I've been called several times over the years, went through voir dire a handful of times and sat on a jury once on a wrongful death charge. They ended up settling, but I found the whole thing fascinating.

    Being tried by a jury of your (supposed) peers is, for better or worse, one of the things I love about this country. Pain in the ass as the process can be, it wouldn't feel right for me to try and get out of it.

    (plus I always get to catch up on my reading!)

    I'll say though, it''s a shame that folks whose companies don't provide paid time to serve - or don't pay beyond a certain timeline - get screwed out of their regular pay.
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    hedonist wrote:
    I've been called several times over the years, went through voir dire a handful of times and sat on a jury once on a wrongful death charge. They ended up settling, but I found the whole thing fascinating.

    Being tried by a jury of your (supposed) peers is, for better or worse, one of the things I love about this country. Pain in the ass as the process can be, it wouldn't feel right for me to try and get out of it.

    (plus I always get to catch up on my reading!)

    I'll say though, it''s a shame that folks whose companies don't provide paid time to serve - or don't pay beyond a certain timeline - get screwed out of their regular pay.


    you have alot more faith in the justice system than i do. I think like our prison system the whole judicial system as a whole is complete joke, and racist and classist. The justice system that put away 3 teens for a crime in West Memphis when it was clear they were innocent and ignored the real killer, and the same system that lets mumia and peltier languish, and the same system that continues to expand building more prisons and throwing more people in. The system and powers that be dont give a damn. flat out. The prison industrial complex is a booming buisness. Private prisons are the new gold rush. I heard an insane statistic the other day, the prison system is funded 50 times more than the educational system. Even if we accept the idea that putting killers and bad people behind bars is a just and good thing, its a very muddied issue. Can people change? If you murder someone in 1970 and you are still in prison in 2012 do you deserve to be let out? If you commit murder or another horrible crime can your EVER be let out of prison? The status quo is that people dont and cant change, at least thats what the powers that be believe. Also, does prison help? Do killer stop and consider prison before committing crimes? Thats sort of in a nutshell why i will refuse to serve on a jury, or will let my feelings on this known during the interview process in deciding if im in or on the jury. The judicial system is more than messed up, and in my view needs to be abolished, along with prisons, to come up with a new and fair way to deal with crime. Locking someone up for 50 years, with currupt guards and security, with prison conditions being horrific, and marginalizing criminals doesnt help. It never has
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    hedonist wrote:
    I've been called several times over the years, went through voir dire a handful of times and sat on a jury once on a wrongful death charge. They ended up settling, but I found the whole thing fascinating.

    Being tried by a jury of your (supposed) peers is, for better or worse, one of the things I love about this country. Pain in the ass as the process can be, it wouldn't feel right for me to try and get out of it.

    (plus I always get to catch up on my reading!)

    I'll say though, it''s a shame that folks whose companies don't provide paid time to serve - or don't pay beyond a certain timeline - get screwed out of their regular pay.

    A case that is relevent for the news in the last few weeks, is the LA riot, rodney king case. The jury sure as hell didnt protect rodney, nor did they do their duty. I'd personally not like to associate myself with a system that sees a videotape of a black man being savagely beaten and assaulted, and then deciding, "oh the 4 officers dont deserve to pay or serve time". thats a system i'd rather not associate myself with.
  • youngster
    youngster Boston Posts: 6,576
    I got called for jury duty last month and actually enjoyed it. Sat in a room for 2 hours and got released without having to sit on a jury. best part is by law I got paid by my employer (benefits included) for the day. I was at the beach by 11am. Gotta love it. :lol:
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    A case that is relevent for the news in the last few weeks, is the LA riot, rodney king case. The jury sure as hell didnt protect rodney, nor did they do their duty. I'd personally not like to associate myself with a system that sees a videotape of a black man being savagely beaten and assaulted, and then deciding, "oh the 4 officers dont deserve to pay or serve time". thats a system i'd rather not associate myself with.
    I see some of your points, but a jury's duty isn't to protect a victim, is it? It's to bring justice; determine what THEY believe is the truth, using the law as their guide. I do agree they failed miserably in doing so.

    Still, the justice system has given many more their just desserts (I would think, anyway) than not. Is any system perfect? Of course not, nor can it ever be. Look at all of the rapists, pedophiles, murderers in prison. They got what they deserved, via the process.



    Hey youngster, once I served at the Beverly Hills courthouse...now that is a nice gig! They gave us a 2-1/2 hour lunch break so I went to get sushi. Ended up having a great long meal and a sake or two next to Jeff Goldblum.

    ...he's a strange bird, that one :D
  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,521



    LloydXmas wrote:



    just got a letter in the mail for jury duty at the end of Aug. :|

    skip it


    :lol: i don't know least i'll get off work.

    didn't get called for this one

    got summoned again for Monday. Won't find out until tomorrow after 5 if i have to report. I think i'd rather do jury duty than go into work on monday :lol:

    this would be my 3rd or 4th time being called. Only had to go once and that trial never happpened.
    WEST CHESTER - A Chester County judge Tuesday sent the female half of
    a "toxic" New Garden couple to prison for two assaults on her husband,
    incidents that represent a fraction of the problems the couple have
    had over the years.
    "Of this type of domestic disturbance, this is probably the worst case
    I have seen in 15 years (as a judge)," said Judge Howard F. Riley Jr.
    during a sentencing hearing for Kathy Y. Murray at which he heard of
    the ongoing alcohol-fueled problems she and her husband have had over
    the past decade since they were wed.
    Police have been called to the couple's home as many as 50 times in
    the year preceding Murray's arrest in February. A prosecutor in the
    case said the couple argued about everything, from her son's behavior
    to the location of the car keys, and called police every time they
    fought.
    "They are involved in a 10-year war, not a 10-year marriage," Riley
    said after hearing the stories. "I probably should send both of them
    to state prison."
    Instead, Riley accepted the prosecution's proposed sentence for Murray
    of one year less one day to two years less two days in Chester County
    prison. Any sentence of less than two years overall is automatically
    served in the county system. He also ordered four years consecutive
    probation after her release.
    Murray had pleaded guilty to charges of aggravated assault, simple
    assault, possession of instruments of crime, escape and possession of
    implements of escape.
    Riley further imposed a condition of her release that she not have any
    criminal contact with her husband, Woodrow Murray, and that she not
    live in a house where there are guns or alcohol present.
    Murray, 52, of Landenberg, was taken into custody by New Garden police
    on Feb. 2 after she allegedly attacked her husband at their home with
    an aluminum baseball bat because she was upset that he had moved a
    computer so he could paint a bedroom in the house. Woodrow Murray
    suffered bruises to his abdomen, shoulders and back, but was not
    seriously inured.
    Kathy Murray was intoxicated at the time, said Assistant District
    Attorney Michelle Frei.
    The attack, Frei said, "went beyond words, and it went well beyond
    fists when she picked up that aluminum baseball bat," she said to
    Riley, displaying the weapon in court.
    Two days earlier, she had gone to the couple's automotive garage and
    again attacked her husband, this time because of an argument he had
    with her son over drugs found in the home. She punched him repeatedly
    with a closed fist, Frei said.
    The roles between the couple have been reversed in the past, Frei
    acknowledged. In 2006, Woodrow Murray was convicted of making
    terroristic threats against his wife. One of the officers involved in
    Kathy Murray's arrest said that in the brief time he had been with the
    New Garden force, he had been to their home at least 30 times.
    When police arrested her on Feb. 2, two officers took her to the New
    Garden Police Department, where they handcuffed her to a holding
    bench. Minutes later when checking on her, they discovered that she
    had somehow freed herself from the handcuffs and fled the building.
    A third officer caught up with her in a field less than a mile from
    the police station, and she was returned to the bench. Later, the
    officers found again that she had freed herself from the cuffs, but
    caught her before she could flee. They shackled her arms and legs this
    time before her transport to a preliminary arraignment and eventually
    to Chester County Prison.
    Frei told Riley that Kathy Murray had apparently unlocked the
    handcuffs with a key she had hidden on her and which the two male
    officers did not find because they did not feel comfortable doing a
    full search of her after the first incident.
    The key, Frei said, was discovered later while Kathy Murray was in
    prison, and an informant told corrections officers that she had one in
    her cell. It was found hidden in the sole of one of her shoes.
    Kathy Murray's attorney, Mark Rassman, told Riley that he did not
    believe that his client had the key when she was in the police office,
    and that she likely procured it in prison.
    But he said her flight from police custody that night and a subsequent
    scuffle with the officer who tracked her down showed a disrespect for
    the officers who had treated her civilly over the years she complained
    about abuse from her husband.
    "I told her it was like spitting in their face," Rassman said.
    Rassman had argued in favor of a light sentence for Kathy Murray by
    saying the injuries against Woodrow Murray were not serious. The real
    problem, he said, was the couple's marriage.
    His client and her husband, he said, "do not need to be together,"
    Rassman said. "It is not a good situation."
    Kathy Murray apologized to Riley for her behavior, although she said
    she disputed some of the actions that Frei attributed to her.
    "I just wish none of this had ever happened," she said.
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