Dianne Feinstein says more invasive searches coming

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns- ... 2917.story




Consequently the flying public is going to have to tolerate more invasive searches, she said. "The American public has not been terribly sympathetic" to this, she said, but "it's very important that TSA (the Transportation Security Administration) keeps up its efforts."
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    “I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” -James Madison
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    Saying she wants the dude killed is only going to piss off middle east fundamentalists even more and cause more trouble in the long run. If this kind of thing is going to be done wouldn't it make more sense to be discrete? Or is she just trying to provoke and piss people off? Feinstein- California's most conservative liberal. Thank goodness we still have Barbara Boxer in office!
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,878
    so do you want to fly and have your safety insured via searches, or do you just want to take your chances without security searches and assume the risk and fly and pray to god that it is not your day to be taken down by a bomber or a hijacker??

    seriously, suppose for 5 minutes that obama weakens the powers of the tsa and stops all searches and we have another 9/11 a few months later. obama would most likely be lynched for allowing something so preventable to happen. imagine the field day that fox news and the other media outlets and pundits would have if that happened. i don't think any president, even the great ron paul or ronald reagan, would ever be willing to take that risk.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so do you want to fly and have your safety insured via searches, or do you just want to take your chances without security searches and assume the risk and fly and pray to god that it is not your day to be taken down by a bomber or a hijacker??

    seriously, suppose for 5 minutes that obama weakens the powers of the tsa and stops all searches and we have another 9/11 a few months later. obama would most likely be lynched for allowing something so preventable to happen. imagine the field day that fox news and the other media outlets and pundits would have if that happened. i don't think any president, even the great ron paul or ronald reagan, would ever be willing to take that risk.

    I'd like to see this experiment... Take a NY to LA flight (or other busy route), set aside two planes... one where everyone has to go through the normal security, and another, with no security line. See how many people choose to go to the non-security plane.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    I don't fly because I've had to many Richie Valens type nightmares but my wife and many friends do so this issue concerns me. Isn't the big problem here that the searches are very erratic? That sometimes they take it too far and sometimes things are missed that shouldn't be? Seems like we need better training or better paid more highly trained people doing this work.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    To me, this is just another thing for some to bitch about.
    So they want to make sure nobody blows up their planes and kills hundreds of folks? Great. Pat me down thirty times, I dont care. They ripped my bags apart when I flew from Costa Rica to Florida back in November. They saw my underwear and everything. So what?
    Bombers are getting more daring and technology is getting smaller and smaller, allowing them to blow up a matchbox car in their rectum. How do we keep up with them?
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    I'm willing to be stripped searched for every flight i take as long as i get to my destination in one piece ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    josevolution wrote:
    I'm willing to be stripped searched for every flight i take as long as i get to my destination in one piece ....


    All hope is truly lost with attitudes like this.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    josevolution wrote:
    I'm willing to be stripped searched for every flight i take as long as i get to my destination in one piece ....

    Next thing you know someone will start a new airline: ANA (All Nude Airlines)
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung wrote:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-security-aqapbre84c0a7-20120513,0,7062917.story

    Consequently the flying public is going to have to tolerate more invasive searches, she said. "The American public has not been terribly sympathetic" to this, she said, but "it's very important that TSA (the Transportation Security Administration) keeps up its efforts."
    ...
    Security and Liberty are always going to be at odds with each other. How much security can you supply and still maintain liberty?
    If we went back to pre-September 11, 2001 type airport security... would that make people happy? Airports would be a breeze to go through, but would you want your daughter flying off to college through one? Or we can have Israel style rings of security check around the airports. They are pretty fucking safe, but at what cost?
    As long as there is a threat out there, we need to be diligent. Is there still a threat out there?
    You tell me.
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    As if we could not see this coming a mile away.

    I suspect both the original story and the follow-up about the secret double-agent contain large amounts of bs. But the perceived threat -- real or not -- opens the door for "random" strip-searches of airline passengers. I can only hope that such a move will kill domestic airline travel.

    Remind me -- how many terrorists have the crack TSA agents stopped? Oh, right....

    Who stopped the underwear bomber? What about the shoe bomber?

    Our security policy seems to be based on the "closing the barn door after the horse gets out" approach; maybe that fills you with confidence, but it is not inspiring me. Patdowns, scanners, taking off shoes -- this is security theater; it is not making you safer, it just makes you feel safe. Is it worth giving up rights and privacy for the illusion of safety??

    Why not do as Israel does -- hand security over to the military, use actual trained personnel instead of, I'm sorry, people who could not get hired anywhere else. How many experts have said that looking for terrorists at the airport is too little, too late?

    I find the focus on air travel rather peculiar, frankly. Do we really believe that terrorists are obsessed with blowing up airplanes? Wouldn't these scary new bombs work just as well anywhere? Are we going to consent to random strip searches to take the subway, go to a football game, enter a shopping mall? Where do we draw the line, where do the absurdities of such policies become impossible to overlook?

    As for Dianne Feinstein, it is easy for her to posture and talk tough; she never will be subjected to TSA's "security" measures. :roll:
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  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    honestly, some people are so desperate for something to whine about.

    If you don't like it, take the bus.

    The world is now full of terrorists and here in America, we kinda deserve it. You can't take the piss out of the pool so you either gotta soak in it or don't have a swim.

    I say search me all you want... I get pulled aside for "random" screening almost every single time I fly because of my appearance. and that's just fine.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    curmudgeoness wrote:
    Why not do as Israel does -- hand security over to the military, use actual trained personnel instead of, I'm sorry, people who could not get hired anywhere else. How many experts have said that looking for terrorists at the airport is too little, too late?
    ...
    I agree. The Israel model is tough... but it works... without some lower middle class employee sticking his finger in your ass.
    If you can't make to the airport on time... fuck it... you need to quit wasting so much goddamn time on your goddamn travel day and work on your logistics planning.
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    honestly, some people are so desperate for something to whine about.

    If you don't like it, take the bus.

    The world is now full of terrorists and here in America, we kinda deserve it. You can't take the piss out of the pool so you either gotta soak in it or don't have a swim.

    I say search me all you want... I get pulled aside for "random" screening almost every single time I fly because of my appearance. and that's just fine.

    But --

    1) Searching you is not making me any safer, regardless of whether or not you are okay with it. That energy would be better used to find actual terrorists before they get to the airport.

    2) Taking the bus is a stopgap measure. Trains, around here, at least, already get random bag searches. The first time someone decides to blow up a Greyhound bus, "security"policies will be implemented there, also.
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  • jimc3
    jimc3 Posts: 230
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    They ripped my bags apart when I flew from Costa Rica to Florida back in November. They saw my underwear and everything. So what?

    yeah, I always love the return trip home if they decide to go through my bags. Have fun rummaging through my dirty drawers...actually puts a smile on my face...
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Well, I disagree with the "we kinda deserve it" comment. So if Iran or some other country run by a delusional fuck wants to take some action against us because the US doesn't think killing gay people is OK...we "kinda deserve it"? Or the sexual freedom that we have here (for the most part, I know) and that you too promote is deemed worthy of killing some in the society that support it?

    Apologies if I read your comment incorrectly.

    And for the record, I was in my 20s, returning from Canada to the US and had my shit searched, ripped apart, panties and all my other stuff out there. All because I was a young woman returning alone from a vacation. People get singled out not just for having a shaved head or looking angry.

    It was weird and I didn't like it, but I got it and still do.

    (I'm also glad I smoked all of the weed I'd brought with me before returning home)
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    hedonist wrote:

    (I'm also glad I smoked all of the weed I'd brought with me before returning home)

    Sorry to digress here but this reminds me of a guy I knew in college who told me about the time he went to the rear cabin bathroom and smoked a joint in-flight and said it was the best plane ride he'd ever had. Try that one today! ;)
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  • markin ball
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i don't think any president, even the great ron paul or ronald reagan, would ever be willing to take that risk.

    Either you forgot to place a comma after the word Paul, or you think Reagan was 'great'.

    My hunch is the former of the two.


    As for Reagan caring about American lives, the families of the 241 Americans killed in Beirut in 1983 would probably disagree.
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    honestly, some people are so desperate for something to whine about.

    If you don't like it, take the bus.

    TSA agents join undercover cops aboard Houston bus system

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323191#ixzz1uuc9LPrs

    Houston - The TSA will help undercover police perform random bag searches and other security activities in a new program on the METRO bus system, marking the maligned federal agency’s latest foray out of airports and into other forms of mass transit.

    "Patrons riding METRO on Friday, April 13, or any given day, may be sitting next to an undercover MPD officer," states a press release on the METRO website.

    In addition to making unwarranted searches of personal property a way of life for Houston bus travelers, this effort will introduce arbitrary sweeps by K-9 crews to the general public.

    Contrary to popular belief, TSA operations in ground transportation are already an everyday occurrence. The TSA's Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR) teams set up 9,300 checkpoints and searches in 2011 at ferry terminals, subways, sporting events, highways and other public places, according to the Los Angeles Times.

    However, TSA officials admitted that they have no proof that the VIPR teams disrupted any terror plots or prevented any major attacks.
    -

    TSA to start searching ground transportation

    While two-out-of-five Americans are going to try to avoid air travel this holiday season to avoid TSA pat-downs, strip searches and never-ending security line-ups, they might not find comfort in the glimmering Greyhound stations across the US.

    http://rt.com/usa/news/tsa-ground-security-transportation-555/

    http://www.infowars.com/tsa-searches-greyhound-bus-passengers/

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/237047.html
    -

    Random searches divide New York

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4747463.stm

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/york-police-frisk-more-people-despite-criticism-001858380.html

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