I disagree that its only there to make us 'feel safer.' well, maybe to a degree.
The problem is, we cannot see the results or even speculate as to how many people we've prevented from bringing bombs, firearms, knives, or boxcutters on board since 9/11. Potential terrorists simply know that they wont get far, so they don't try very often.
I think focusing on air travel is a very good target for terrorist. It makes perfect sense:
--People are already on edge about flying, aside from terrorist threats.
--Diversity at airports makes it easy for anyone to blend in.
--Air travel is used for business and pleasure, and it could cripple many industries if safety was to suffer. its a HUGE industry that affects many others.
--Humongous explosions add to the wow-factor.
--Many options for hiding explosives or other devices.
I'm surprised there havent been cell phone bombs or laptop bombs. I think airport security is going to have to get worse one day.
--Used as missiles against targets.
How many 9/11's were there prior to that day in september?
No matter what, the terrorists will make whatever they want happen in the end. they are relentless. the more we take our civil liberties and throw them out the window the more they have already succeeded. Osama wanted to change our way of life...he succeeded like no other. What we should put our focus on isn't bombs in airports...it is WHY someone would want to put a bomb in an airport to begin with...increased TSA security actions is like treating anemia with red bull.
Until we stay at home and quit trying to dictate to other countries what they should and should not do we will have people who want to attack the US...it isn't our freedom they hate, it is when we try to force our freedom on them that they have a problem with it...
why is the TSA (a gov't agency) doing "random" searches in an airport any different than the FBI doing random enhanced pat downs on pedestrians in high crime areas?
I just see it as a prerequisite to riding an airplane. I am forced to buy automobile insurance for mine and others safety -- I dont like it, but its a prerequisite. I just don't feel like my civil liberties are at stake by more stringent TSA security.
I completely agree with your point of getting to the root of the problem is key. Excellent point Mike. Our foreign policy is getting us in trouble in a lot of places. But until we get there, we're stuck with TSA, and I don't see a problem with it.
comparing TSA's random searches to FBI random searches on the street in high crime areas isnt a good analogy because TSA is doing a job that allows you to use a service. Walking down the street in a high crime area is not a prerequisite for a provided service.
I disagree that its only there to make us 'feel safer.' well, maybe to a degree.
The problem is, we cannot see the results or even speculate as to how many people we've prevented from bringing bombs, firearms, knives, or boxcutters on board since 9/11. Potential terrorists simply know that they wont get far, so they don't try very often.
I think focusing on air travel is a very good target for terrorist. It makes perfect sense:
--People are already on edge about flying, aside from terrorist threats.
--Diversity at airports makes it easy for anyone to blend in.
--Air travel is used for business and pleasure, and it could cripple many industries if safety was to suffer. its a HUGE industry that affects many others.
--Humongous explosions add to the wow-factor.
--Many options for hiding explosives or other devices.
I'm surprised there havent been cell phone bombs or laptop bombs. I think airport security is going to have to get worse one day.
--Used as missiles against targets.
How many 9/11's were there prior to that day in september?
No matter what, the terrorists will make whatever they want happen in the end. they are relentless. the more we take our civil liberties and throw them out the window the more they have already succeeded. Osama wanted to change our way of life...he succeeded like no other. What we should put our focus on isn't bombs in airports...it is WHY someone would want to put a bomb in an airport to begin with...increased TSA security actions is like treating anemia with red bull.
Until we stay at home and quit trying to dictate to other countries what they should and should not do we will have people who want to attack the US...it isn't our freedom they hate, it is when we try to force our freedom on them that they have a problem with it...
why is the TSA (a gov't agency) doing "random" searches in an airport any different than the FBI doing random enhanced pat downs on pedestrians in high crime areas?
I just see it as a prerequisite to riding an airplane. I am forced to buy automobile insurance for mine and others safety -- I dont like it, but its a prerequisite. I just don't feel like my civil liberties are at stake by more stringent TSA security.
I completely agree with your point of getting to the root of the problem is key. Excellent point Mike. Our foreign policy is getting us in trouble in a lot of places. But until we get there, we're stuck with TSA, and I don't see a problem with it.
comparing TSA's random searches to FBI random searches on the street in high crime areas isnt a good analogy because TSA is doing a job that allows you to use a service. Walking down the street in a high crime area is not a prerequisite for a provided service.
the only thing that binds the two is that they are gov't agencies. The type of security needed at airports can be provided by private security. A gov't agency should not be granted the ability to perform random searches. The whole discussion centers around what is considered a reasonable search. I don't think what the TSA do at airports constitutes a reasonable search. They basically assume everyone is guilty...there is nothing stopping other agencies from using that rationale in the streets. see NYC stop and frisk. What happens when the TSA wants to begin background checks on all fliers prior to boarding?
like I said...I don't believe in levels of infringement...when you infringe on a right a little, it is the same thing to me as doing it egregiously...I choose not to fly now simply because I believe what they do to passengers is wrong. That is my choice and I have made it.
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I just see it as a prerequisite to riding an airplane. I am forced to buy automobile insurance for mine and others safety -- I dont like it, but its a prerequisite. I just don't feel like my civil liberties are at stake by more stringent TSA security.
I completely agree with your point of getting to the root of the problem is key. Excellent point Mike. Our foreign policy is getting us in trouble in a lot of places. But until we get there, we're stuck with TSA, and I don't see a problem with it.
comparing TSA's random searches to FBI random searches on the street in high crime areas isnt a good analogy because TSA is doing a job that allows you to use a service. Walking down the street in a high crime area is not a prerequisite for a provided service.
the only thing that binds the two is that they are gov't agencies. The type of security needed at airports can be provided by private security. A gov't agency should not be granted the ability to perform random searches. The whole discussion centers around what is considered a reasonable search. I don't think what the TSA do at airports constitutes a reasonable search. They basically assume everyone is guilty...there is nothing stopping other agencies from using that rationale in the streets. see NYC stop and frisk. What happens when the TSA wants to begin background checks on all fliers prior to boarding?
like I said...I don't believe in levels of infringement...when you infringe on a right a little, it is the same thing to me as doing it egregiously...I choose not to fly now simply because I believe what they do to passengers is wrong. That is my choice and I have made it.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan