Dianne Feinstein says more invasive searches coming
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns- ... 2917.story
Consequently the flying public is going to have to tolerate more invasive searches, she said. "The American public has not been terribly sympathetic" to this, she said, but "it's very important that TSA (the Transportation Security Administration) keeps up its efforts."
Consequently the flying public is going to have to tolerate more invasive searches, she said. "The American public has not been terribly sympathetic" to this, she said, but "it's very important that TSA (the Transportation Security Administration) keeps up its efforts."
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-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
seriously, suppose for 5 minutes that obama weakens the powers of the tsa and stops all searches and we have another 9/11 a few months later. obama would most likely be lynched for allowing something so preventable to happen. imagine the field day that fox news and the other media outlets and pundits would have if that happened. i don't think any president, even the great ron paul or ronald reagan, would ever be willing to take that risk.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'd like to see this experiment... Take a NY to LA flight (or other busy route), set aside two planes... one where everyone has to go through the normal security, and another, with no security line. See how many people choose to go to the non-security plane.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
So they want to make sure nobody blows up their planes and kills hundreds of folks? Great. Pat me down thirty times, I dont care. They ripped my bags apart when I flew from Costa Rica to Florida back in November. They saw my underwear and everything. So what?
Bombers are getting more daring and technology is getting smaller and smaller, allowing them to blow up a matchbox car in their rectum. How do we keep up with them?
All hope is truly lost with attitudes like this.
Next thing you know someone will start a new airline: ANA (All Nude Airlines)
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Security and Liberty are always going to be at odds with each other. How much security can you supply and still maintain liberty?
If we went back to pre-September 11, 2001 type airport security... would that make people happy? Airports would be a breeze to go through, but would you want your daughter flying off to college through one? Or we can have Israel style rings of security check around the airports. They are pretty fucking safe, but at what cost?
As long as there is a threat out there, we need to be diligent. Is there still a threat out there?
You tell me.
Hail, Hail!!!
I suspect both the original story and the follow-up about the secret double-agent contain large amounts of bs. But the perceived threat -- real or not -- opens the door for "random" strip-searches of airline passengers. I can only hope that such a move will kill domestic airline travel.
Remind me -- how many terrorists have the crack TSA agents stopped? Oh, right....
Who stopped the underwear bomber? What about the shoe bomber?
Our security policy seems to be based on the "closing the barn door after the horse gets out" approach; maybe that fills you with confidence, but it is not inspiring me. Patdowns, scanners, taking off shoes -- this is security theater; it is not making you safer, it just makes you feel safe. Is it worth giving up rights and privacy for the illusion of safety??
Why not do as Israel does -- hand security over to the military, use actual trained personnel instead of, I'm sorry, people who could not get hired anywhere else. How many experts have said that looking for terrorists at the airport is too little, too late?
I find the focus on air travel rather peculiar, frankly. Do we really believe that terrorists are obsessed with blowing up airplanes? Wouldn't these scary new bombs work just as well anywhere? Are we going to consent to random strip searches to take the subway, go to a football game, enter a shopping mall? Where do we draw the line, where do the absurdities of such policies become impossible to overlook?
As for Dianne Feinstein, it is easy for her to posture and talk tough; she never will be subjected to TSA's "security" measures. :roll:
If you don't like it, take the bus.
The world is now full of terrorists and here in America, we kinda deserve it. You can't take the piss out of the pool so you either gotta soak in it or don't have a swim.
I say search me all you want... I get pulled aside for "random" screening almost every single time I fly because of my appearance. and that's just fine.
I agree. The Israel model is tough... but it works... without some lower middle class employee sticking his finger in your ass.
If you can't make to the airport on time... fuck it... you need to quit wasting so much goddamn time on your goddamn travel day and work on your logistics planning.
Hail, Hail!!!
But --
1) Searching you is not making me any safer, regardless of whether or not you are okay with it. That energy would be better used to find actual terrorists before they get to the airport.
2) Taking the bus is a stopgap measure. Trains, around here, at least, already get random bag searches. The first time someone decides to blow up a Greyhound bus, "security"policies will be implemented there, also.
yeah, I always love the return trip home if they decide to go through my bags. Have fun rummaging through my dirty drawers...actually puts a smile on my face...
Apologies if I read your comment incorrectly.
And for the record, I was in my 20s, returning from Canada to the US and had my shit searched, ripped apart, panties and all my other stuff out there. All because I was a young woman returning alone from a vacation. People get singled out not just for having a shaved head or looking angry.
It was weird and I didn't like it, but I got it and still do.
(I'm also glad I smoked all of the weed I'd brought with me before returning home)
Sorry to digress here but this reminds me of a guy I knew in college who told me about the time he went to the rear cabin bathroom and smoked a joint in-flight and said it was the best plane ride he'd ever had. Try that one today!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Either you forgot to place a comma after the word Paul, or you think Reagan was 'great'.
My hunch is the former of the two.
As for Reagan caring about American lives, the families of the 241 Americans killed in Beirut in 1983 would probably disagree.
TSA agents join undercover cops aboard Houston bus system
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323191#ixzz1uuc9LPrs
Houston - The TSA will help undercover police perform random bag searches and other security activities in a new program on the METRO bus system, marking the maligned federal agency’s latest foray out of airports and into other forms of mass transit.
"Patrons riding METRO on Friday, April 13, or any given day, may be sitting next to an undercover MPD officer," states a press release on the METRO website.
In addition to making unwarranted searches of personal property a way of life for Houston bus travelers, this effort will introduce arbitrary sweeps by K-9 crews to the general public.
Contrary to popular belief, TSA operations in ground transportation are already an everyday occurrence. The TSA's Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR) teams set up 9,300 checkpoints and searches in 2011 at ferry terminals, subways, sporting events, highways and other public places, according to the Los Angeles Times.
However, TSA officials admitted that they have no proof that the VIPR teams disrupted any terror plots or prevented any major attacks.
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TSA to start searching ground transportation
While two-out-of-five Americans are going to try to avoid air travel this holiday season to avoid TSA pat-downs, strip searches and never-ending security line-ups, they might not find comfort in the glimmering Greyhound stations across the US.
http://rt.com/usa/news/tsa-ground-security-transportation-555/
http://www.infowars.com/tsa-searches-greyhound-bus-passengers/
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/237047.html
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Random searches divide New York
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4747463.stm
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/york-police-frisk-more-people-despite-criticism-001858380.html
If you are actually expecting me to believe for one second that the reason that we're at war with countries in the middle east was because of their death penalty for gay people, you really must think I'm one dumb Mofo.
And Israel does more than just search you before you board the plane. How many peole report bags left alone at the airport? Or in a public place like a mall? The bigger threat may be our public places and someone leaving a bomb in a bag and everybody just walking past it and killing tons of people at the mall or sporting events or concerts. So are you willing to be searched before you enter the mall or go to your next PJ concert? How far do we go in giving up our liberties to feel safe?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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her full quote:
FEINSTEIN: For this particular material, candidly no. I can't say that I am. I think the pat-down probably is better than the magnetometer. I think Americans have to understand that this particular kind of explosive, nonmetallic, is not easily detectable and that's one of the reasons why Abdulmutallab wore it in his underway, so that he couldn't patted down sufficiently to detect it.
That's a problem and that's something the TSA has to grapple with. And the American public has not been terribly sympathetic. Although most people are, most travelers say, "I'm going to go with the flow, I recognize the need, therefore, I really don't mind being patted down." I'm in that category, but not everybody is.
So I came from Afghanistan last week along with my colleagues on the intelligence committee through Dubai and there screening was very heavy. Three -- you pass through magnetometers three times, very heavy pat-downs, they opened hand luggage at the gate, they look for gun powder or other things on your hands.
So there was a big pat down with additional security people present. It was very evident.
Having said that, you can't maintain that all of the time. So, I think it's very important that TSA keeps up its efforts and that we Americans who travel a lot understand what's at stake.
And, you know, when you see the number of people on these large planes, you are aware of the fact that this is really necessary to do and particularly right now. I am hopeful that we will be able to candidly kill this bomb maker and kill some of his other associates, because there is a dangerous process in play at the present time
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you never really struck me as a give up liberty for fear kind of guy.
if you are ok with this, a gov't agency doing "random" searches, why on earth aren't you ok with things like the patriot act, or random stops and searches by the police?
I suppose I have never asked you those specific questions, but I am just assuming based on past posts.
How is it different?
I don't believe in levels of infringements. Once the state crosses the line, the varying levels of how invasive something is doesn't matter to me. they are all wrong to do.
What is more likely, being a victim of a terrorist attack on or becoming a victim of crime in the inner city... Wouldn't that warrant the kind of thing that the NY police are able to do...random stops...hell we should be able to be checked all the time for our safety...I mean...if you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about but a little inconvenience right?
airport security should be private. No government agency should have the ability to do random stop and searches.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Ok, so how do exactly do we do that?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
(and brian, if I could try what you suggested, I would! - even though we avoid flying at all costs nowadays for various reasons - but the era of being able to smoke ANYTHING on a plane are long gone. Gotta say I miss those days)
I disagree that its only there to make us 'feel safer.' well, maybe to a degree.
The problem is, we cannot see the results or even speculate as to how many people we've prevented from bringing bombs, firearms, knives, or boxcutters on board since 9/11. Potential terrorists simply know that they wont get far, so they don't try very often.
I think focusing on air travel is a very good target for terrorist. It makes perfect sense:
--People are already on edge about flying, aside from terrorist threats.
--Diversity at airports makes it easy for anyone to blend in.
--Air travel is used for business and pleasure, and it could cripple many industries if safety was to suffer. its a HUGE industry that affects many others.
--Humongous explosions add to the wow-factor.
--Many options for hiding explosives or other devices.
I'm surprised there havent been cell phone bombs or laptop bombs. I think airport security is going to have to get worse one day.
--Used as missiles against targets.
What are you talking about i'm willing to wait as long as it takes for Security to do it's job so the flight i'm on is secure , what is wrong with that :roll: ....
How many 9/11's were there prior to that day in september?
No matter what, the terrorists will make whatever they want happen in the end. they are relentless. the more we take our civil liberties and throw them out the window the more they have already succeeded. Osama wanted to change our way of life...he succeeded like no other. What we should put our focus on isn't bombs in airports...it is WHY someone would want to put a bomb in an airport to begin with...increased TSA security actions is like treating anemia with red bull.
Until we stay at home and quit trying to dictate to other countries what they should and should not do we will have people who want to attack the US...it isn't our freedom they hate, it is when we try to force our freedom on them that they have a problem with it...
why is the TSA (a gov't agency) doing "random" searches in an airport any different than the FBI doing random enhanced pat downs on pedestrians in high crime areas?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan