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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited April 2012
    pandora wrote:
    I think this was posted in the other thread but perhaps some might like to hear
    this common sense no mess Ted on bearing arms
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzJbpA8_ ... re=related
    In an effort to be 'open' I have listened to the whole thing... wow... good thing it wasn't too long. I wouldn't take this as a benchmark of 'reasoned' common sense. Though I do like me a bit of Piers (though very rudely called limey by the interviewee - but that might just be part of the 'no mess' charm of the man). What made me chuckle is that he is talking disparagingly about plea bargaining :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    it is the same reason why kings put decapitated heads on a pike. it is a power and an ego thing.
    or honor them look at history man not everybody thinks like you
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    Tritone wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    it is the same reason why kings put decapitated heads on a pike. it is a power and an ego thing.
    or honor them look at history man not everybody thinks like you

    Would the victims feel "honored?"
    I think this discussion might descend into semantics.
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    Godfather. wrote:
    just curious..how can you guy's talk all this animal love and claim to have the animals best interest in heart
    then kick off yer leather shoes remove yer learther belt and then enjoy a big fat farm fed turkey and a big fat farm fed ham on thanksgiving ? :fp:

    Godfather.
    no replies yeah
    pure hypocrisy to eat meat, wear leather, the ladies carry leather then act all noble like they can't kill a thing
    Ted's honest about who he is
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited April 2012
    Tritone wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    just curious..how can you guy's talk all this animal love and claim to have the animals best interest in heart
    then kick off yer leather shoes remove yer learther belt and then enjoy a big fat farm fed turkey and a big fat farm fed ham on thanksgiving ? :fp:

    Godfather.
    no replies yeah
    pure hypocrisy to eat meat, wear leather, the ladies carry leather then act all noble like they can't kill a thing
    Ted's honest about who he is

    No replies because it has been discussed already and, as gimme mentioned, I guess one doesn't feel like retyping. ;) Maybe.
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  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    whygohome wrote:
    Tritone wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    it is the same reason why kings put decapitated heads on a pike. it is a power and an ego thing.
    or honor them look at history man not everybody thinks like you

    Would the victims feel "honored?"
    I think this discussion might descend into semantics.
    they are animals don't put human emotion to an animal
    do you eat meat cause how did the animal feel about being your lunch
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    redrock wrote:
    Tritone wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    just curious..how can you guy's talk all this animal love and claim to have the animals best interest in heart
    then kick off yer leather shoes remove yer learther belt and then enjoy a big fat farm fed turkey and a big fat farm fed ham on thanksgiving ? :fp:

    Godfather.
    no replies yeah
    pure hypocrisy to eat meat, wear leather, the ladies carry leather then act all noble like they can't kill a thing
    Ted's honest about who he is

    No replies because it has been discussed already and, as gimme mentioned, I guess one doesn't feel like retyping. ;) Maybe.
    people type alot here that is a transparent excuse for hypocrisy
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    edited April 2012
    Tritone wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    just curious..how can you guy's talk all this animal love and claim to have the animals best interest in heart
    then kick off yer leather shoes remove yer learther belt and then enjoy a big fat farm fed turkey and a big fat farm fed ham on thanksgiving ? :fp:

    Godfather.
    no replies yeah
    pure hypocrisy to eat meat, wear leather, the ladies carry leather then act all noble like they can't kill a thing
    Ted's honest about who he is

    This thread is about "trophy hunting" and not people's dietary habits. Two different things.

    As per the hypocrisy charge, I will speak for myself.
    I live with my girlfriend who is a vegetarian and the cook of the house. Therefore, I am a vegetarian at home. This is my choice, and a good one, I feel, for health reasons. We do not keep any meat at home, and for breakfast I have eggs, rye toast, and a Morningstar (vegetarian) sausage patty. I also usually have a banana/strawberry smoothie for breakfast or brunch/lunch if I am home.
    When I go out to eat, and if I am in the mood for chicken/burger/steak, I look closely for the keywords of "local" "organic" or any related keywords. In other words, I care about how an animal is treated. I usually opt for chicken or a shrimp dish. I probably have a burger once a month 9actually probably 2), and a steak a few times a year.

    Concerning leather, we are vehemently anti-leather and anti-wearing animal products of any kind.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Tritone wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Tritone wrote:
    no replies yeah
    pure hypocrisy to eat meat, wear leather, the ladies carry leather then act all noble like they can't kill a thing
    Ted's honest about who he is

    No replies because it has been discussed already and, as gimme mentioned, I guess one doesn't feel like retyping. ;) Maybe.
    people type alot here that is a transparent excuse for hypocrisy

    Nah... you just got in the thread late... go back a few pages and you will find the answers. Though Godfather knows - he's been here from the start... :mrgreen:
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    whygohome wrote:
    Concerning leather, we are vehemently anti-leather and anti-wearing animal products of any kind.

    If one eats beef for example, I don't see the problem using the by-product of this. After all, one should use all parts of the animal and avoid a much waste as possible. Pelt (fur) may be another matter as animals are usually killed for their fur only to become a fashion accessory.

    So, as eating meat (ethically sourced), I have no problem with leather/hide though I can understand your girlfriend would.
  • the wolf
    the wolf Posts: 7,027
    Godfather and Tritone,

    Many people have stated many times that its not about that. I personally wouldn't hunt, I just don't find killing things enjoyable.
    Most here have stated they don't have a problem with hunters that eat what they kill, we have a problem with trophy hunters, and hunters that work outside the laws put in place to protect animals.

    It's been said over and over and over again. If the two of choose not to read the entire thread, that's on you guys. But your asking questions again and again that have been answered again and again, and well....that's just fucking annoying.

    Please read the thread, the entire thread if you truly wish to engage in any meaningful debate on the subject.
    Peace, Love.

    "To question your government is not unpatriotic --
    to not question your government is unpatriotic."
    -- Sen. Chuck Hagel
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    redrock wrote:
    whygohome wrote:
    Concerning leather, we are vehemently anti-leather and anti-wearing animal products of any kind.

    If one eats beef for example, I don't see the problem using the by-product of this. After all, one should use all parts of the animal and avoid a much waste as possible. Pelt (fur) may be another matter as animals are usually killed for their fur only to become a fashion accessory.

    So, as eating meat (ethically sourced), I have no problem with leather/hide though I can understand your girlfriend would.

    Good points. It just comes down to my personal preference concerning leather.
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    the wolf wrote:
    Godfather and Tritone,

    Many people have stated many times that its not about that. I personally wouldn't hunt, I just don't find killing things enjoyable.
    Most here have stated they don't have a problem with hunters that eat what they kill, we have a problem with trophy hunters, and hunters that work outside the laws put in place to protect animals.

    It's been said over and over and over again. If the two of choose not to read the entire thread, that's on you guys. But your asking questions again and again that have been answered again and again, and well....that's just fucking annoying.

    Please read the thread, the entire thread if you truly wish to engage in any meaningful debate on the subject.

    :thumbup:

    Or, just start a new thread about the hypocrisy of animal lovers who enjoy a burger once in a while.
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    whygohome wrote:
    Tritone wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    just curious..how can you guy's talk all this animal love and claim to have the animals best interest in heart
    then kick off yer leather shoes remove yer learther belt and then enjoy a big fat farm fed turkey and a big fat farm fed ham on thanksgiving ? :fp:

    Godfather.
    no replies yeah
    pure hypocrisy to eat meat, wear leather, the ladies carry leather then act all noble like they can't kill a thing
    Ted's honest about who he is

    This thread is about "trophy hunting" and not people's dietary habits. Two different things.

    As per the hypocrisy charge, I will speak for myself.
    I live with my girlfriend who is a vegetarian and the cook of the house. Therefore, I am a vegetarian at home. This is my choice, and a good one, I feel, for health reasons. We do not keep any meat at home, and for breakfast I have eggs, rye toast, and a Morningstar (vegetarian) sausage patty. I also usually have a banana/strawberry smoothie for breakfast or brunch/lunch if I am home.
    When I go out to eat, and if I am in the mood for a chicken/burger/steak, I look closely for the keywords of "local" "organic" or any related. In other words, I care about how an animal is treated. I usually opt for chicken or a shrimp dish. I probably have a burger once a month, and a steak a few times a year.

    Concerning leather, we are vehemently anti-leather and anti-wearing animal products of any kind.
    I read this thread is about Ted anything about Ted but it has gone to a Hunting Trophy debate

    man you are a meat eater and kill chickens pigs and steer when you are in the mood to

    http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/9- ... ients.html
    use any of these?

    just saying people look at what you support before you judge someone who might
    trophy hunt legally and make use of the meat hide and honor the animal
    with display.
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
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    Tritone wrote:
    Few people ok that is all you need to make a general statement like that.
    Look at the history man. The other Teddy might have a good laugh at the narrow
    minded arrogance right there.

    You're right, It is true that history holds "noble men of character with the heads of wild beasts on their walls."

    But then again, you can also validly use "history" in making arguments for things such as slavery and blood-letting, thereby making "history" in and of itself not very strong support for an arguement.

    Do you have anything better in making an argument for trophy hunting other than "history" then?
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    the wolf wrote:
    Godfather and Tritone,

    Many people have stated many times that its not about that. I personally wouldn't hunt, I just don't find killing things enjoyable.
    Most here have stated they don't have a problem with hunters that eat what they kill, we have a problem with trophy hunters, and hunters that work outside the laws put in place to protect animals.

    It's been said over and over and over again. If the two of choose not to read the entire thread, that's on you guys. But your asking questions again and again that have been answered again and again, and well....that's just fucking annoying.

    Please read the thread, the entire thread if you truly wish to engage in any meaningful debate on the subject.
    wow man you are full of assumption I read the thread
    you kill eat meat and find fault with someone who trophy hunts legally
    why
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    rollings wrote:
    [
    Tritone wrote:
    Few people ok that is all you need to make a general statement like that.
    Look at the history man. The other Teddy might have a good laugh at the narrow
    minded arrogance right there.

    You're right, It is true that history holds "noble men of character with the heads of wild beasts on their walls."

    But then again, you can also validly use "history" in making arguments for things such as slavery and blood-letting, thereby making "history" in and of itself not very strong support for an arguement.

    Do you have anything better in making an argument for trophy hunting other than "history" then?
    why do you have a problem with legal trophy hunting better question
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    Tritone wrote:
    I read this thread is about Ted anything about Ted but it has gone to a Hunting Trophy debate



    http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/9- ... ients.html
    use any of these?

    just saying people look at what you support before you judge someone who might
    trophy hunt legally and make use of the meat hide and honor the animal
    with display.[/quote]

    You're derailing and your last statement is ludicrous. As is this statement: "man you are a meat eater and kill chickens pigs and steer when you are in the mood to."
    On that list on Treehugger that you linked, I am guilty of 2 and 3: bike/car tires and glue for instruments. My girlfriend and I have one car and I have one bike. I always read labels and don't touch anything that uses any animal by-products.
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    whygohome wrote:
    the wolf wrote:
    Godfather and Tritone,

    Many people have stated many times that its not about that. I personally wouldn't hunt, I just don't find killing things enjoyable.
    Most here have stated they don't have a problem with hunters that eat what they kill, we have a problem with trophy hunters, and hunters that work outside the laws put in place to protect animals.

    It's been said over and over and over again. If the two of choose not to read the entire thread, that's on you guys. But your asking questions again and again that have been answered again and again, and well....that's just fucking annoying.

    Please read the thread, the entire thread if you truly wish to engage in any meaningful debate on the subject.

    :thumbup:

    Or, just start a new thread about the hypocrisy of animal lovers who enjoy a burger once in a while.
    sure cause it makes the hypocrisy here disappear
    its part of the topic no one has a case against legal trophy hunting
    if they kill to eat and use product made from animals
    simple
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    Tritone wrote:
    whygohome wrote:
    the wolf wrote:
    Godfather and Tritone,

    Many people have stated many times that its not about that. I personally wouldn't hunt, I just don't find killing things enjoyable.
    Most here have stated they don't have a problem with hunters that eat what they kill, we have a problem with trophy hunters, and hunters that work outside the laws put in place to protect animals.

    It's been said over and over and over again. If the two of choose not to read the entire thread, that's on you guys. But your asking questions again and again that have been answered again and again, and well....that's just fucking annoying.

    Please read the thread, the entire thread if you truly wish to engage in any meaningful debate on the subject.

    :thumbup:

    Or, just start a new thread about the hypocrisy of animal lovers who enjoy a burger once in a while.
    sure cause it makes the hypocrisy here disappear
    its part of the topic no one has a case against legal trophy hunting
    if they kill to eat and use product made from animals
    simple

    You are making a foolish connection. I'll wait for you to figure it out on your own. You can do it. I have faith in you.
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