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    TOP FLUORIDE EXPERT APOLOGIZES FOR PUSHING POISON (some more reading on Fluoride)

    "It's been building up for a couple of years," Limeback told me during a recent telephone interview. "But certainly the crowning blow was the realization that we have been dumping contaminated fluoride into water reservoirs for half a century. The vast majority of all fluoride additives come from Tampa Bay, Florida, smokestack scrubbers.

    The additives are a toxic byproduct of the super-phosphate fertilizer industry.""Tragically," he continued, "that means we're not just dumping toxic fluoride into our drinking water. We're also exposing innocent, unsuspecting people to deadly elements of lead, arsenic and radium, all of them carcinogenic. Because of the cumulative properties of toxins, the detrimental effects on human health are catastrophic."

    Dr Hardy Limeback, University Of Toronto.

    http://www.utoronto.ca/dentistry/facultyresearch/facultyprofiles/limeback.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy_Limeback

    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fluoride-expert.htm
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    Remove fluoride from water, utilities commission says

    Mar 1, 2012

    The much debated fluoride issue is now on the collective lap of Windsor's city councillors.

    After two hours spent listening to 11 delegations Wednesday night, the Windsor Utilities Commission passed a motion recommending the city stop adding fluoride to drinking water.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/story/2012/03/01/wdr-windsor-fuloride-removed.html

    Ayesha Drouillard is a concerned parent and a member of Fluoride Free Windsor. She said the utilities commission made a good decision.

    "Finally, this issue, that's so important and affects every single person daily, is finally getting some much deserved attention. I don't think we need to be adding any kind of bio-accumulative toxin that affects us in a negative way just because it supposedly benefits our teeth," she said.

    Some dentists and Dr. Allen Heimann, the medical officer of health, spoke in fluoride's defence. Heimann remains firm in his belief that fluoride should stay in the water.
  • Posts: 735
    Commy wrote:
    YES, it is in our drinking water. the levels vary from state to state in the US, but its found everywhere.

    i don't know much about it but found this (at ats.com)
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    so the state with the lowest fluoride count also has the lowest cancer rate in the country.


    but geography or any number of factors could be involved, its hard to say. some interesting numbers.

    but these are just a few states that happened to fit the theory. some states are way up on fluoride and way down on cancer, and vice versa.


    makes you wonder though.
    Utah has the lowest smoking rate and West Virginia the highest. I would bet that coal mining in WV also plays a role
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    green mountain man wrote:
    Utah has the lowest smoking rate and West Virginia the highest. I would bet that coal mining in WV also plays a role

    These Links below have some stats and information regarding cancer/factors/trends etc, if interested.

    http://www.cancer.gov/
    http://www.cancer.gov/statistics/ http://statecancerprofiles.cancer.gov/recenttrend/recenttrend.html

    That's right about Utah. Remember when that major anti smoking campaign in the 90's came around? That's apparently when the rates started to get lower in Utah and interestingly enough I think it went up in some other parts of the US with the same anti smoking campaign.
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    Idris wrote:
    show previous quotes

    These Links below have some stats and information regarding cancer/factors/trends etc, if interested.

    http://www.cancer.gov/
    http://www.cancer.gov/statistics/ http://statecancerprofiles.cancer.gov/recenttrend/recenttrend.html

    That's right about Utah. Remember when that major anti smoking campaign in the 90's came around? That's apparently when the rates started to get lower in Utah and interestingly enough I think it went up in some other parts of the US with the same anti smoking campaign.
    Thanks for the stats.
  • Posts: 1,527
    I used a flouride free toothpaste from Tom's and go to the dentist regularly and have healthy teeth. never a cavity.
  • Posts: 735
    I went to ASPEN DENTAL which has locations in the NE U.S.
    They said I had 4 cavities. I thought WTF that can not be right.
    I became suspicious, and went to another dentist.
    Zero cavities.
    DO NOT GO TO ASPEN DENTAL !!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
  • Posts: 2,317
    http://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/oral-care/procedures/fluoride.htm

    Pros and Cons of Fluoride
  • Posts: 1,374
    food additives, preservatives, flavours, colours, enhancers, high salt, high sugar and high saturated fat foods should all be much higher on the priority list of concern, than 1ppm fluoride in the public water supply.
    Yeh I've seen Pearl Jam, too. But I can't remember the dates.
  • Posts: 2,317
    TroubledSoul wrote:
    food additives, preservatives, flavours, colours, enhancers, high salt, high sugar and high saturated fat foods should all be much higher on the priority list of concern, than 1ppm fluoride in the public water supply.

    Higher on the priority list? It should all be = in concern. Also the dangers of Fluoride and whats in our tap water is not as well known to the general public as the dangers of high salt/sugar/additives and/or whatever else.

    Anyway we get into Where does the fluoride come from? Whats really in the water? And why?

    They are putting toxic waste/chemicals in our water. To not have this issue on the priority list is just silly.

    So its in the tap water, which means its in our foods, many crops etc, so we are not just getting small amounts. Then we shower in it, clean ourselves...all with the same chemical water. Tainted water.
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    Alright let's not get crazy here. After all people are living longer than they ever have. Today, the average lifespan of someone living in the U.S. is just months shy of 78, and there is little reason to think that we won't continue to push the life expectancy envelope.

    Also, they we have seen a rise in cavities (especially in kids) as people drink more bottled water which has little to no fluoride. Decaying teeth is a problem that often leads to other diseases within the body.


    Rise in cavities
    http://www.chron.com/life/mom-houston/a ... 637001.php

    Check the flouride in your town.

    http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/MWF/Index.asp
  • Posts: 2,317
    shadowcast wrote:
    Rise in cavities
    http://www.chron.com/life/mom-houston/a ... 637001.php

    What is in our water? Also What Fluoride is it? Not Pharma grade, rather waste grade, Where does it come from? Who supplies it? What's the history of the fluoride that they put in our water? How did it start? Who is behind it? Who profits from it? Why? When?...

    Also when people say things like how it's safe in small amounts...If it's in our water, we often have fruits, crops produced with it, it's in much of our foods etc. So we are getting more than those 'safe' numbers. All was/is/has/still being done often without a public referendum. It''s unacceptable.

    Just give us clean water. That's it. If people don't want cavities, then they should take care of their teeth, eat better, be smarter.
    -

    Something kinda funny From that article

    "Soda is worse (than water). Let's be clear about that. It has sugar and is carbonated, which creates acid that wears away the enamel," says Dr. Jarvis Chan, an adjunct professor at the University of Texas Dental Branch at Houston. "But if you aren't getting fluoride through water, you are missing out on decay-preventing benefits."

    So rather than the dr say, "avoid soda and whatever other junk that causes decay/damage", he say's "But if you aren't getting fluoride through water, you are missing out on decay-preventing benefits."

    It's just all backwards. How about a dr who talks about the "decay-preventing benefits" of so many natural products.

    If we took away all the HFCS, Chemicals and whatever else out of our foods/drinks etc and with proper oral Hygiene we would no doubt see a decrease in tooth decay and surely a host of other health issues related and not related to tooth decay.

    But Perhaps dealing with the 'root cause' of things in our modern society is just too much work.

    Real prevention I feel would be, Firstly Not adding another chemical to counter other chemicals or whatever else...and we should simply just eat better, You are what you eat. I dunno, maybe not.

    If the governments care so much about our teeth, then stop wasting money on war and give us free dental. Don't dump Fluoride waste into our tap water under the guise of promoting good teeth. Yea, they really care about our oral health.

    They care about our health, then they should ban these toxins, not promote them. Contaminants, regulated and unregulated toxins. Whatever else.
  • Posts: 735
    Idris wrote:
    show previous quotes

    What is in our water? Also What Fluoride is it? Not Pharma grade, rather waste grade, Where does it come from? Who supplies it? What's the history of the fluoride that they put in our water? How did it start? Who is behind it? Who profits from it? Why? When?...

    Also when people say things like how it's safe in small amounts...If it's in our water, we often have fruits, crops produced with it, it's in much of our foods etc. So we are getting more than those 'safe' numbers. All was/is/has/still being done often without a public referendum. It''s unacceptable.

    Just give us clean water. That's it. If people don't want cavities, then they should take care of their teeth, eat better, be smarter.
    -

    Something kinda funny From that article

    "Soda is worse (than water). Let's be clear about that. It has sugar and is carbonated, which creates acid that wears away the enamel," says Dr. Jarvis Chan, an adjunct professor at the University of Texas Dental Branch at Houston. "But if you aren't getting fluoride through water, you are missing out on decay-preventing benefits."

    So rather than the dr say, "avoid soda and whatever other junk that causes decay/damage", he say's "But if you aren't getting fluoride through water, you are missing out on decay-preventing benefits."

    It's just all backwards. How about a dr who talks about the "decay-preventing benefits" of so many natural products.

    If we took away all the HFCS, Chemicals and whatever else out of our foods/drinks etc and with proper oral Hygiene we would no doubt see a decrease in tooth decay and surely a host of other health issues related and not related to tooth decay.

    But Perhaps dealing with the 'root cause' of things in our modern society is just too much work.

    Real prevention I feel would be, Firstly Not adding another chemical to counter other chemicals or whatever else...and we should simply just eat better, You are what you eat. I dunno, maybe not.

    If the governments care so much about our teeth, then stop wasting money on war and give us free dental. Don't dump Fluoride waste into our tap water under the guise of promoting good teeth. Yea, they really care about our oral health.

    They care about our health, then they should ban these toxins, not promote them. Contaminants, regulated and unregulated toxins. Whatever else.
    :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
  • Posts: 1,374
    shadowcast wrote:
    Also, we have seen a rise in cavities (especially in kids) as people drink more bottled water which has little to no fluoride. Decaying teeth is a problem that often leads to other diseases within the body.

    the rise in caries in children is related to the shit diets and from the many hidden sugars that are in processed foods these days. caries rates in children dropped dramatically in australia through the 1970s, 80s, 90s after the introduction of fluoride in the late 1960s. caries rates have since increased a little in the 2000s, but still not anywhere near where they were 40 yrs ago.

    however, the misunderstood factor is that the benefits of fluoridated tap water are negligible after the age about 11. so the increase of bottled water use is not really related as i feel a high proportion of young children would still today be drinking mains water over bottled water.

    as for "where" the fluoride compounds come from... to be honest i have no idea.. china? everything comes from china!
    Yeh I've seen Pearl Jam, too. But I can't remember the dates.
  • Posts: 2,336
    I will say that I find it a bit odd that they put it in our water. I think if you want flouride you should purchase it yourself. I do not think we should be wasting money on it. I also think that it is not that big of a deal as people are living a lot longer. I would be more worried about cell phones and brain cancer than flouride.
  • Posts: 2,317
    shadowcast wrote:
    I also think that it is not that big of a deal as people are living a lot longer. I would be more worried about cell phones and brain cancer than flouride.

    It's not just about how long you live, but also the quality of the life that is lived.
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    edited August 2014
    Harvard Study Confirms Fluoride Reduces Children's IQ

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/fluoride_b_2479833.html

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/idUS127920+24-Jul-2012+PRN20120724
    Post edited by Idris on
  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Idris wrote:
    Harvard Study Confirms Fluoride Reduces Children's IQ

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/fluoride_b_2479833.html

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/idUS127920+24-Jul-2012+PRN20120724

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq5HnJ1jBSg

    Very informative, good articles. Thanks, Idris.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Posts: 9,087
    Fluoride will out of our water by the end of April ... Council voted to remove it. We'll be part a few communities in Canada that has removed Fluoride and more communities are studying removal.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Posts: 2,317
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Fluoride will out of our water by the end of April ... Council voted to remove it. We'll be part a few communities in Canada that has removed Fluoride and more communities are studying removal.

    Nice! We have been trying to get Fluoride out of our water in Toronto for a few years now.
    Many people I talk to in the city are aware of it, but I think sometimes were are just too easy going, and not always in a good way.

    At the end, many people also feel that our governments or the people in charge would not do something to us that would hurt us. If they put it in our water, it must be good.

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